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Labor Unions are warning that the "Green New Deal" proposed by Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is vague and potentially dangerous, signaling that the progressive proposal may be in for even more turbulence following a rocky rollout last week.
While conservatives have fiercely criticized the Green New Deal resolution for promising a job to "all people of the United States" -- including those "unwilling to work," according to an accompanying document published, and later disavowed, by Ocasio-Cortez's office -- the pushback from union leaders indicates that the progressive proposal has not won over a core element of the liberal base.
Speaking to Reuters, a spokesman for the coal industry union United Mine Workers (UMWA) characterized Ocasio-Cortez's goals as lofty and potentially dangerous to rank-and-file blue collar workers.
In particular, union officials took umbrage at the resolution's call for a "fair and just transition for all communities and workers" in order to "achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions" in the span of just ten years.
Me here - we know you hate coal workers but wait there is more!
“We’ve heard words like ‘just transition’ before, but what does that really mean?" the spokesman, Phil Smith, said in an interview. "Our members are worried about putting food on the table."
UMWA, which includes approximately 80,000 members, represents not only coal miners and clean coal technicians, but also manufacturing workers, health care workers, and corrections officers in both the U.S. and Canada.
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Added Yvette Pena O’Sullivan, the executive director of the Laborers’ International Union of North America (LIUNA): “We will never settle for ‘just transition’ language as a solution to the job losses that will surely come from some of the policies in the resolution."
LIUNA, a construction union, has about 500,000 members, including 80,000 in Canada. And executives at another construction union, the North America’s Building Trades Union (NABTU), raised similar concerns.
Union members “working in the oil and gas sector can make a middle-class living, whereas renewable energy firms have been less generous,” Sean McGarvey, NABTU's president, said last week.
Why be generous when you can just shoot your workers after the Green New Deal?
Labor Unions are warning that the "Green New Deal" proposed by Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is vague and potentially dangerous, signaling that the progressive proposal may be in for even more turbulence following a rocky rollout last week.
While conservatives have fiercely criticized the Green New Deal resolution for promising a job to "all people of the United States" -- including those "unwilling to work," according to an accompanying document published, and later disavowed, by Ocasio-Cortez's office -- the pushback from union leaders indicates that the progressive proposal has not won over a core element of the liberal base.
Speaking to Reuters, a spokesman for the coal industry union United Mine Workers (UMWA) characterized Ocasio-Cortez's goals as lofty and potentially dangerous to rank-and-file blue collar workers.
In particular, union officials took umbrage at the resolution's call for a "fair and just transition for all communities and workers" in order to "achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions" in the span of just ten years.
Me here - we know you hate coal workers but wait there is more!
“We’ve heard words like ‘just transition’ before, but what does that really mean?" the spokesman, Phil Smith, said in an interview. "Our members are worried about putting food on the table."
UMWA, which includes approximately 80,000 members, represents not only coal miners and clean coal technicians, but also manufacturing workers, health care workers, and corrections officers in both the U.S. and Canada.
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Added Yvette Pena O’Sullivan, the executive director of the Laborers’ International Union of North America (LIUNA): “We will never settle for ‘just transition’ language as a solution to the job losses that will surely come from some of the policies in the resolution."
LIUNA, a construction union, has about 500,000 members, including 80,000 in Canada. And executives at another construction union, the North America’s Building Trades Union (NABTU), raised similar concerns.
Union members “working in the oil and gas sector can make a middle-class living, whereas renewable energy firms have been less generous,” Sean McGarvey, NABTU's president, said last week.
Why be generous when you can just shoot your workers after the Green New Deal?
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Open borders fucks wages. A real fucking issue
And I said the group I've seen the comment aimed at are people who are dependent on government programs ... entitlements ... whatever you want to call them.
Does it bother you that I point out that Trump has changed the Republican narrative about protectionist policy? I personally don't agree with it, but I wasn't taking him to task for it in this post. It is what it is.
The Green New Deal might eliminate them when we go broke
People dependent on the dole are still reliable dems voters
On the second point, I don't think it's as clean as it once was. A lot of people on the dole, and people very dependent on SS (if that's different) moved away from the Dems because Trump speaks to them on other issues. I've no doubt about that.
When I was a kid, the Dems were the worker party. They are now the day dream party, and the Republican party, once the fierce enemy of the common worker (or so it was spun), is now the party of the working class.
That is perfectly mirrored in Grays Harbor, which was my point about the change in politics there. That is Trump country now. 1000 %. If I don't know anything else, I know that.
Don't try to bullshit me and creep. We've been around almost as long as you have. Well, that's a lie.......but we're not kids or fools.
Welfare and being a loser is not party-specific.
http://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20161108/GraysHarbor/
Take it in context. And, keep in mind, this trend is young. Two years later, Susan Hutchinson beat Cantwell by more than 4% in Grays Harbor but got her ass thoroughly kicked state-wide. Trump was closer to 50 and Hillary closer to 42. That's a clear win, especially for a region that has historically been blue. And, Inslee lost down there. Both senate republican candidates in 2016 ran heavy on fiscal conservatism, and that's not what's selling on the Harbor. It turns more on social issues. Still, I scratch my head on how Patty Murray can win anywhere in Washington outside of King County. I guess she's been around so long people don't think about it anymore. I don't have an answer for that one. Mom in Fucking Tennis Shoes. It worked and you blink and she's been there for 100 years.
You also make a good point about independents. There is something natural about the fit between libertarian/independent and Grays Harbor culture. Although historically pro-labor, there is/was a strong vein of entrepreneurial rugged individualism that stems from the employment base which was overwhelmingly private enterprise, and at its high point was good for a lot of people. It's hard to imagine now, but there was a time down there. So, I'd never be surprised for an independent or libertarian to make end-roads down that way. In some respects, I think that's how Trump is viewed - as an independent. I think the "outsider" shtick worked well there.
You proved my point. The Democrats left those folks behind and they know it
Which is why they vote their interests. The government dole goes way beyond welfare. That's piker shit. Grabbing as much of the trillions that flow DC is the real dole
Those folks aren't worried about the planet they are worried about their job and a tank of gas and some food on the table
When you're older you'll understand
People have a hard time thinking about tomorrow when today is a problem for them.
I care about the planet. Hell I grew up in Olympia which was forest
I look at energy not as as right left but as pragmatic
When we find something as great as carbon that scales for the planet without Cory Booker taking my steak I am in
Keep the pressure on big oil to keep cleaning it up. Just know they pass the cost along and all levels of government slap their tax on too
Private companies wont touch nuclear because it's bad for their brand thanks to public perception. I don't have the answer to that
I'll leave that one for you