Aaron Fuller burning the best secondary in the nation.
He sucks.
He's Doug Baldwin 2.0. He doesn't suck but talent wise he's average in every way and if he's your #1 guy that means your WR corps sucks. It's gonna be a midget show at receiver this year. Fuller, Baccellia, and McClatcher. 5'10, 5'10, and 5'8. Please for the love of god somebody over 6'0 tall be good. Jones? Osborne? Puka? Anybody?
Never seen so many people tripping over their own dicks in a thread. Doug Baldwin was a pro bowler.
Jesus Christ. He also went undrafted for a reason. Fuller = Doug Baldwin IN COLLEGE!
That's a stupid fucking comparison then if you don't point that out beforehand
Don't blame me for your misunderstanding. The point is Fuller is 5'10 and 185 pounds and he's not fast, just like Baldwin. He has to win by being smarter, super skilled, crafty, and a try hard, just like Baldwin. Baldwin went undrafted and then became a Cinderella story of a less talented, try hard guy making it in the NFL. For every Doug Baldwin, there are a hundred other JAG talent level slot receivers who didn't make it. I'm obviously not saying Fuller is what Doug Baldwin became in the NFL. He's a college Doug Baldwin kind of guy and if he's our #1 guy at WR, that's not good enough.
You didn't even know who Doug Baldwin was in college. Your analysis is "he didn't get drafted so he must not have been good".
Just stop talking.
That's kind of the point. He was average in college so nobody knew who he was. It's a fair comparison for Fuller. Stop pretending you think Fuller is really good and you have his back because he's one of our guys you bleeding heart doog. You don't, because he hasn't proven it yet. Most here would prefer it if Terrell Bynum or Puka Nacua beat Fuller out. I doubt you're any different.
I'd be thrilled if somebody beat Fuller out because that means we have somebody even better than the guy who is going to play in the league.
Fuck off doog. We want future 1st and 2nd round picks at WR like Ross and Dante. Not late round picks or UDFA who are basic for us but manage to make an NFL roster by the skin of their teeth because they get better and are heady and use crafty WR tricks of the trade to make plays and are cheap for GM's to sign. After all those plays Baldwin made for the Hawks, he was still paid chump change compared to the top receivers in the league. His greatest value was that he was easy to keep on the roster because of his low cap hit whereas guys like Golden Tate and Paul Richardson had higher market values and got PAID. I'm not rooting against Fuller. I want him to have a big season but obviously we want more talented guys as our go-to receivers.
Golden Tate 4 years $37.5 million Paul Richardson 5 years $40 million Doug Baldwin 4 years $46 million
Aaron Fuller burning the best secondary in the nation.
He sucks.
He's Doug Baldwin 2.0. He doesn't suck but talent wise he's average in every way and if he's your #1 guy that means your WR corps sucks. It's gonna be a midget show at receiver this year. Fuller, Baccellia, and McClatcher. 5'10, 5'10, and 5'8. Please for the love of god somebody over 6'0 tall be good. Jones? Osborne? Puka? Anybody?
Never seen so many people tripping over their own dicks in a thread. Doug Baldwin was a pro bowler.
Jesus Christ. He also went undrafted for a reason. Fuller = Doug Baldwin IN COLLEGE!
That's a stupid fucking comparison then if you don't point that out beforehand
Don't blame me for your misunderstanding. The point is Fuller is 5'10 and 185 pounds and he's not fast, just like Baldwin. He has to win by being smarter, super skilled, crafty, and a try hard, just like Baldwin. Baldwin went undrafted and then became a Cinderella story of a less talented, try hard guy making it in the NFL. For every Doug Baldwin, there are a hundred other JAG talent level slot receivers who didn't make it. I'm obviously not saying Fuller is what Doug Baldwin became in the NFL. He's a college Doug Baldwin kind of guy and if he's our #1 guy at WR, that's not good enough.
You didn't even know who Doug Baldwin was in college. Your analysis is "he didn't get drafted so he must not have been good".
Just stop talking.
That's kind of the point. He was average in college so nobody knew who he was. It's a fair comparison for Fuller. Stop pretending you think Fuller is really good and you have his back because he's one of our guys you bleeding heart doog. You don't, because he hasn't proven it yet. Most here would prefer it if Terrell Bynum or Puka Nacua beat Fuller out. I doubt you're any different.
I'd be thrilled if somebody beat Fuller out because that means we have somebody even better than the guy who is going to play in the league.
Fuck off doog. We want future 1st and 2nd round picks at WR like Ross and Dante. Not late round picks or UDFA who are basic for us but manage to make an NFL roster by the skin of their teeth because they get better and are heady and use crafty WR tricks of the trade to make plays and are cheap for GM's to sign. After all those plays Baldwin made for the Hawks, he was still paid chump change compared to the top receivers in the league. His greatest value was that he was easy to keep on the roster because of his low cap hit whereas guys like Golden Tate and Paul Richardson had higher market values and got PAID. I'm not rooting against Fuller. I want him to have a big season but obviously we want more talented guys as our go-to receivers.
No shit. Of course we liked John Ross better than Fuller. That doesn’t mean Fuller isn’t good. Fuller could play for any UW team.
Aaron Fuller burning the best secondary in the nation.
He sucks.
He's Doug Baldwin 2.0. He doesn't suck but talent wise he's average in every way and if he's your #1 guy that means your WR corps sucks. It's gonna be a midget show at receiver this year. Fuller, Baccellia, and McClatcher. 5'10, 5'10, and 5'8. Please for the love of god somebody over 6'0 tall be good. Jones? Osborne? Puka? Anybody?
Never seen so many people tripping over their own dicks in a thread. Doug Baldwin was a pro bowler.
Jesus Christ. He also went undrafted for a reason. Fuller = Doug Baldwin IN COLLEGE!
That's a stupid fucking comparison then if you don't point that out beforehand
Don't blame me for your misunderstanding. The point is Fuller is 5'10 and 185 pounds and he's not fast, just like Baldwin. He has to win by being smarter, super skilled, crafty, and a try hard, just like Baldwin. Baldwin went undrafted and then became a Cinderella story of a less talented, try hard guy making it in the NFL. For every Doug Baldwin, there are a hundred other JAG talent level slot receivers who didn't make it. I'm obviously not saying Fuller is what Doug Baldwin became in the NFL. He's a college Doug Baldwin kind of guy and if he's our #1 guy at WR, that's not good enough.
You didn't even know who Doug Baldwin was in college. Your analysis is "he didn't get drafted so he must not have been good".
Just stop talking.
That's kind of the point. He was average in college so nobody knew who he was. It's a fair comparison for Fuller. Stop pretending you think Fuller is really good and you have his back because he's one of our guys you bleeding heart doog. You don't, because he hasn't proven it yet. Most here would prefer it if Terrell Bynum or Puka Nacua beat Fuller out. I doubt you're any different.
I'd be thrilled if somebody beat Fuller out because that means we have somebody even better than the guy who is going to play in the league.
Fuck off doog. We want future 1st and 2nd round picks at WR like Ross and Dante. Not late round picks or UDFA who are basic for us but manage to make an NFL roster by the skin of their teeth because they get better and are heady and use crafty WR tricks of the trade to make plays and are cheap for GM's to sign. After all those plays Baldwin made for the Hawks, he was still paid chump change compared to the top receivers in the league. His greatest value was that he was easy to keep on the roster because of his low cap hit whereas guys like Golden Tate and Paul Richardson had higher market values and got PAID. I'm not rooting against Fuller. I want him to have a big season but obviously we want more talented guys as our go-to receivers.
No shit. Of course we liked John Ross better than Fuller. That doesn’t mean Fuller isn’t good. Fuller could play for any UW team.
In stride more than 10 yards downfield. That's nice.
I may be a day late and a dollar short with this observation, but that looked like 40+ yards in the air and Eason barely had to flick his wrist to get it out there in stride. I'm weeping.
Aaron Fuller burning the best secondary in the nation.
He sucks.
He's Doug Baldwin 2.0. He doesn't suck but talent wise he's average in every way and if he's your #1 guy that means your WR corps sucks. It's gonna be a midget show at receiver this year. Fuller, Baccellia, and McClatcher. 5'10, 5'10, and 5'8. Please for the love of god somebody over 6'0 tall be good. Jones? Osborne? Puka? Anybody?
Never seen so many people tripping over their own dicks in a thread. Doug Baldwin was a pro bowler.
Jesus Christ. He also went undrafted for a reason. Fuller = Doug Baldwin IN COLLEGE!
That's a stupid fucking comparison then if you don't point that out beforehand
Don't blame me for your misunderstanding. The point is Fuller is 5'10 and 185 pounds and he's not fast, just like Baldwin. He has to win by being smarter, super skilled, crafty, and a try hard, just like Baldwin. Baldwin went undrafted and then became a Cinderella story of a less talented, try hard guy making it in the NFL. For every Doug Baldwin, there are a hundred other JAG talent level slot receivers who didn't make it. I'm obviously not saying Fuller is what Doug Baldwin became in the NFL. He's a college Doug Baldwin kind of guy and if he's our #1 guy at WR, that's not good enough.
You didn't even know who Doug Baldwin was in college. Your analysis is "he didn't get drafted so he must not have been good".
Just stop talking.
That's kind of the point. He was average in college so nobody knew who he was. It's a fair comparison for Fuller. Stop pretending you think Fuller is really good and you have his back because he's one of our guys you bleeding heart doog. You don't, because he hasn't proven it yet. Most here would prefer it if Terrell Bynum or Puka Nacua beat Fuller out. I doubt you're any different.
He had twice the yards of anyone else on Stanford his senior year. It was a mistake by the whole league that he want drafted. Harbaugh didn’t give him a good recommendation either. If Fuller is Baldwin, that’s great.
It wasn't a mistake. Most small guys that aren't fast don't make it. The league was right to assume he was one of those guys who couldn't make it. He defied the odds. I see we got some bleeding heart 12's in here as well as bleeding heart doogs. The season being right around the corner has those doog juices flowing.
Prefacing this by saying I don't care about the Seahawks and couldn't care less about Doug Baldwin. That said:
Doug Baldwin Not invited to Combine. At his Stanford Pro Day, 5'9", 189 lbs. Ran a 4.47-4.49 in the 40, 37" Vert, 10'3" Broad, 4.26 in the shuttle, 6.65 in the 3-Cone and reportedly 6 reps of 225 lbs.
With those numbers, Baldwin would have been faster than first round picks Jonathan Baldwin and A.J. Green. Of course, Green is seven inches taller than D. Baldwin, much stronger, and (in my opinion) the best young WR in the NFL. Still, only a handful of WRs were fasted than 4.47.
Baldwin on Pro Day:
If he really did 6 reps of 225, Baldwin would have finished 2nd to last among WRs. His Vert would be in the upper-third and his Broad would rank somewhere in the middle. (Julio Jones ran a 4.39 and the best Broad of 11'3")
His shuttle speed would be considered slow but his 3-Cone would be fast.
If Baldwin goes to the Combine, I can't see any way in which he'd be undrafted when you consider his ability to catch a pass, his deceptive speed, and quick 3-Cone times. Even if he's doing less reps than me! (/writer pretends he can do one rep of 100 lbs.)
Pro Football Focus: "On only 391 snaps last season, Onwuzurike was a havoc creator. He had the highest pass-rushing win rate of any returning defensive tackle in the country and a 90.0-plus run-defense grade to boot."
Pro Football Focus: "On only 391 snaps last season, Onwuzurike was a havoc creator. He had the highest pass-rushing win rate of any returning defensive tackle in the country and a 90.0-plus run-defense grade to boot."
Is he really THAT good? Damn. I mean he is good, but never stood out the way Gaines or Vea did. Yet.
Pro Football Focus: "On only 391 snaps last season, Onwuzurike was a havoc creator. He had the highest pass-rushing win rate of any returning defensive tackle in the country and a 90.0-plus run-defense grade to boot."
Is he really THAT good? Damn. I mean he is good, but never stood out the way Gaines or Vea did. Yet.
He battled a foot problem the first two years on the field. I believe I saw an interview with Malloe last year who said that he's insanely explosive despite the foot issues, and he's just been waiting for him to be 100%.
Pro Football Focus: "On only 391 snaps last season, Onwuzurike was a havoc creator. He had the highest pass-rushing win rate of any returning defensive tackle in the country and a 90.0-plus run-defense grade to boot."
Is he really THAT good? Damn. I mean he is good, but never stood out the way Gaines or Vea did. Yet.
He battled a foot problem the first two years on the field. I believe I saw an interview with Malloe last year who said that he's insanely explosive despite the foot issues, and he's just been waiting for him to be 100%.
Pro Football Focus: "On only 391 snaps last season, Onwuzurike was a havoc creator. He had the highest pass-rushing win rate of any returning defensive tackle in the country and a 90.0-plus run-defense grade to boot."
Is he really THAT good? Damn. I mean he is good, but never stood out the way Gaines or Vea did. Yet.
He battled a foot problem the first two years on the field. I believe I saw an interview with Malloe last year who said that he's insanely explosive despite the foot issues, and he's just been waiting for him to be 100%.
Aaron Fuller burning the best secondary in the nation.
He sucks.
He's Doug Baldwin 2.0. He doesn't suck but talent wise he's average in every way and if he's your #1 guy that means your WR corps sucks. It's gonna be a midget show at receiver this year. Fuller, Baccellia, and McClatcher. 5'10, 5'10, and 5'8. Please for the love of god somebody over 6'0 tall be good. Jones? Osborne? Puka? Anybody?
Never seen so many people tripping over their own dicks in a thread. Doug Baldwin was a pro bowler.
Jesus Christ. He also went undrafted for a reason. Fuller = Doug Baldwin IN COLLEGE!
That's a stupid fucking comparison then if you don't point that out beforehand
Don't blame me for your misunderstanding. The point is Fuller is 5'10 and 185 pounds and he's not fast, just like Baldwin. He has to win by being smarter, super skilled, crafty, and a try hard, just like Baldwin. Baldwin went undrafted and then became a Cinderella story of a less talented, try hard guy making it in the NFL. For every Doug Baldwin, there are a hundred other JAG talent level slot receivers who didn't make it. I'm obviously not saying Fuller is what Doug Baldwin became in the NFL. He's a college Doug Baldwin kind of guy and if he's our #1 guy at WR, that's not good enough.
You didn't even know who Doug Baldwin was in college. Your analysis is "he didn't get drafted so he must not have been good".
Just stop talking.
That's kind of the point. He was average in college so nobody knew who he was. It's a fair comparison for Fuller. Stop pretending you think Fuller is really good and you have his back because he's one of our guys you bleeding heart doog. You don't, because he hasn't proven it yet. Most here would prefer it if Terrell Bynum or Puka Nacua beat Fuller out. I doubt you're any different.
I'd be thrilled if somebody beat Fuller out because that means we have somebody even better than the guy who is going to play in the league.
Fuck off doog. We want future 1st and 2nd round picks at WR like Ross and Dante. Not late round picks or UDFA who are basic for us but manage to make an NFL roster by the skin of their teeth because they get better and are heady and use crafty WR tricks of the trade to make plays and are cheap for GM's to sign. After all those plays Baldwin made for the Hawks, he was still paid chump change compared to the top receivers in the league. His greatest value was that he was easy to keep on the roster because of his low cap hit whereas guys like Golden Tate and Paul Richardson had higher market values and got PAID. I'm not rooting against Fuller. I want him to have a big season but obviously we want more talented guys as our go-to receivers.
Golden Tate 4 years $37.5 million Paul Richardson 5 years $40 million Doug Baldwin 4 years $46 million
You're comparing Baldwin's third contract with the 2nd contracts of Richardson and Tate. Baldwin's second contract was 2 years for only $13 million. Tate and Richardson will both make more over the course of their NFL careers than Baldwin did. Both were 2nd round picks and had bigger second contracts.
I don't understand how people can be so stupid to be like "Doug Baldwin was a pro bowler, I'd take that all day". Jesus fucking Christ. Fuller isn't in the NFL you retards. The comparison is simply comparing them as players (same height and size, same game speed, same playing style, same position, same role as a #1 WR on their team when they don't have #1 WR talent). Is it that difficult to understand? Fuck some of you are dumb.
Aaron Fuller burning the best secondary in the nation.
He sucks.
He's Doug Baldwin 2.0. He doesn't suck but talent wise he's average in every way and if he's your #1 guy that means your WR corps sucks. It's gonna be a midget show at receiver this year. Fuller, Baccellia, and McClatcher. 5'10, 5'10, and 5'8. Please for the love of god somebody over 6'0 tall be good. Jones? Osborne? Puka? Anybody?
Never seen so many people tripping over their own dicks in a thread. Doug Baldwin was a pro bowler.
Jesus Christ. He also went undrafted for a reason. Fuller = Doug Baldwin IN COLLEGE!
That's a stupid fucking comparison then if you don't point that out beforehand
Don't blame me for your misunderstanding. The point is Fuller is 5'10 and 185 pounds and he's not fast, just like Baldwin. He has to win by being smarter, super skilled, crafty, and a try hard, just like Baldwin. Baldwin went undrafted and then became a Cinderella story of a less talented, try hard guy making it in the NFL. For every Doug Baldwin, there are a hundred other JAG talent level slot receivers who didn't make it. I'm obviously not saying Fuller is what Doug Baldwin became in the NFL. He's a college Doug Baldwin kind of guy and if he's our #1 guy at WR, that's not good enough.
You didn't even know who Doug Baldwin was in college. Your analysis is "he didn't get drafted so he must not have been good".
Just stop talking.
That's kind of the point. He was average in college so nobody knew who he was. It's a fair comparison for Fuller. Stop pretending you think Fuller is really good and you have his back because he's one of our guys you bleeding heart doog. You don't, because he hasn't proven it yet. Most here would prefer it if Terrell Bynum or Puka Nacua beat Fuller out. I doubt you're any different.
He had twice the yards of anyone else on Stanford his senior year. It was a mistake by the whole league that he want drafted. Harbaugh didn’t give him a good recommendation either. If Fuller is Baldwin, that’s great.
It wasn't a mistake. Most small guys that aren't fast don't make it. The league was right to assume he was one of those guys who couldn't make it. He defied the odds. I see we got some bleeding heart 12's in here as well as bleeding heart doogs. The season being right around the corner has those doog juices flowing.
Prefacing this by saying I don't care about the Seahawks and couldn't care less about Doug Baldwin. That said:
Doug Baldwin Not invited to Combine. At his Stanford Pro Day, 5'9", 189 lbs. Ran a 4.47-4.49 in the 40, 37" Vert, 10'3" Broad, 4.26 in the shuttle, 6.65 in the 3-Cone and reportedly 6 reps of 225 lbs.
With those numbers, Baldwin would have been faster than first round picks Jonathan Baldwin and A.J. Green. Of course, Green is seven inches taller than D. Baldwin, much stronger, and (in my opinion) the best young WR in the NFL. Still, only a handful of WRs were fasted than 4.47.
Baldwin on Pro Day:
If he really did 6 reps of 225, Baldwin would have finished 2nd to last among WRs. His Vert would be in the upper-third and his Broad would rank somewhere in the middle. (Julio Jones ran a 4.39 and the best Broad of 11'3")
His shuttle speed would be considered slow but his 3-Cone would be fast.
If Baldwin goes to the Combine, I can't see any way in which he'd be undrafted when you consider his ability to catch a pass, his deceptive speed, and quick 3-Cone times. Even if he's doing less reps than me! (/writer pretends he can do one rep of 100 lbs.)
And Marshawn Lynch ran a 4.4 40 too and never showed that kind of game speed as a Seahawk. A one shot everything you got 40 yard dash when a guy is 21 years old is different than their game speed during their NFL career. Some play faster than their 40 time. Some play slower. Guys like Marshawn and Baldwin played slower but were productive in their own unique ways. Marshawn compensated for his lack of game speed with his vision, quickness, and ability to break tackles. Baldwin overcame his lack of game speed with his crafty releases, quickness in and out of brakes, and veteran savvy.
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Paul Richardson 5 years $40 million
Doug Baldwin 4 years $46 million
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/2/22/2816749/nfl-combine-seattle-seahawks-past-results
Not invited to Combine. At his Stanford Pro Day, 5'9", 189 lbs. Ran a 4.47-4.49 in the 40, 37" Vert, 10'3" Broad, 4.26 in the shuttle, 6.65 in the 3-Cone and reportedly 6 reps of 225 lbs.
With those numbers, Baldwin would have been faster than first round picks Jonathan Baldwin and A.J. Green. Of course, Green is seven inches taller than D. Baldwin, much stronger, and (in my opinion) the best young WR in the NFL. Still, only a handful of WRs were fasted than 4.47.
Baldwin on Pro Day:
If he really did 6 reps of 225, Baldwin would have finished 2nd to last among WRs. His Vert would be in the upper-third and his Broad would rank somewhere in the middle. (Julio Jones ran a 4.39 and the best Broad of 11'3")
His shuttle speed would be considered slow but his 3-Cone would be fast.
If Baldwin goes to the Combine, I can't see any way in which he'd be undrafted when you consider his ability to catch a pass, his deceptive speed, and quick 3-Cone times. Even if he's doing less reps than me! (/writer pretends he can do one rep of 100 lbs.)
From what I've heard, he's finally healthy.
I don't understand how people can be so stupid to be like "Doug Baldwin was a pro bowler, I'd take that all day". Jesus fucking Christ. Fuller isn't in the NFL you retards. The comparison is simply comparing them as players (same height and size, same game speed, same playing style, same position, same role as a #1 WR on their team when they don't have #1 WR talent). Is it that difficult to understand? Fuck some of you are dumb.