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Should you expect to be able to raise a family on a minimum wage job?
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SFGbob said:
The fact that you shit on that type of work speaks volumes. When I was a 13 year old kid that's exactly the kind of work I did, along with dozens of other small tasks. If the people I had worked for had all been forced to pay me a $15 an hour "minimum" wage I'd dare say that about half of those jobs would have never been created.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh my god, it’ll create a 6 hour a week job sweeping a parking lot? Why didn’t you just say so!SFGbob said:
Because not every place is SF and because even here in SF there are some jobs that aren't worth paying a $15 and hour minimum wage.allpurpleallgold said:If they’re not going to pay people less than minimum wage, why do you need to get rid of it?
What if I own a small store out in Merced and I'd like to have someone sweep my parking lot every other day. The job takes about an hour and half. It's not worth it to me pay someone that high a minimum wage for that type of work. But I would pay someone $10 an hour to do it. If no one is willing to do it for that kind of money I'd have to raise the wage I was willing to pay. If I'm not willing to pay $15 an hour that's a job that is never created.
Not having a minimum wage would allow for the creation of these types of jobs.
Again, you think every job should pay enough to support a family of four. You have a very limited and twisted view of the labor market.
I’m not shitting on it. I’m just not impressed with your genius economic plan to create 6 hour a week jobs for 13 year olds. -
I think “bullshit” as a reason is a downgrade from “causation”.RaceBannon said:
1. bullshitallpurpleallgold said:
The American Dream is false hope. You live in a fantasy land.pawz said:allpurpleallgold said:
Ok, so you are the far right on this and I am the far left. You can’t get more extreme than no minimum wage. We’ll, slavery but I won’t accuse you of wanting that yet. The difference is it might be possible to run on my position and win.SFGbob said:
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it.
I’ll give you what you want. Yes, you should be able to raise a family on minimum wage.
Disagree.
Save the uber-rich and invalids .... The whole point of life - the American dream - is to climb a ladder to something better. If the first job you come across is shoveling shit and that's all you have for the rest of your life, then sure minimum wage should be higher.
But the point is to grow, to something better, for more. And you use the lesser jobs along the way to grow and improve your skills.
Further it's a dangerous, cancerous mentality to remove the incentive to create more for yourself and your family. If you remove incentive, you breed a society of invalids.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01/11/raj-chetty-in-14-charts-big-findings-on-opportunity-and-mobility-we-should-know/amp/
I’m sure it’s taxes and regulations holding everyone down though. Definitely not rich people with their boots on throat of the poor. Give them more power, it’ll trickle down.
2. You're helping those rich that want to put a boot on the throat by giving them a labor force that can't complain that fucks the force that can -
Bullshit isn't a reason its a judgement of contentallpurpleallgold said:
I think “bullshit” as a reason is a downgrade from “causation”.RaceBannon said:
1. bullshitallpurpleallgold said:
The American Dream is false hope. You live in a fantasy land.pawz said:allpurpleallgold said:
Ok, so you are the far right on this and I am the far left. You can’t get more extreme than no minimum wage. We’ll, slavery but I won’t accuse you of wanting that yet. The difference is it might be possible to run on my position and win.SFGbob said:
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it.
I’ll give you what you want. Yes, you should be able to raise a family on minimum wage.
Disagree.
Save the uber-rich and invalids .... The whole point of life - the American dream - is to climb a ladder to something better. If the first job you come across is shoveling shit and that's all you have for the rest of your life, then sure minimum wage should be higher.
But the point is to grow, to something better, for more. And you use the lesser jobs along the way to grow and improve your skills.
Further it's a dangerous, cancerous mentality to remove the incentive to create more for yourself and your family. If you remove incentive, you breed a society of invalids.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01/11/raj-chetty-in-14-charts-big-findings-on-opportunity-and-mobility-we-should-know/amp/
I’m sure it’s taxes and regulations holding everyone down though. Definitely not rich people with their boots on throat of the poor. Give them more power, it’ll trickle down.
2. You're helping those rich that want to put a boot on the throat by giving them a labor force that can't complain that fucks the force that can -
If you insist on thinking a single example disproves statistical fact then we never even started.pawz said:
If you insist on being this myopic, I think we?re done here.allpurpleallgold said:
It worked for one person. I guess all the statistical evidence is wrong then.pawz said:allpurpleallgold said:
The American Dream is false hope. You live in a fantasy land.pawz said:allpurpleallgold said:
Ok, so you are the far right on this and I am the far left. You can’t get more extreme than no minimum wage. We’ll, slavery but I won’t accuse you of wanting that yet. The difference is it might be possible to run on my position and win.SFGbob said:
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it.
I’ll give you what you want. Yes, you should be able to raise a family on minimum wage.
Disagree.
Save the uber-rich and invalids .... The whole point of life - the American dream - is to climb a ladder to something better. If the first job you come across is shoveling shit and that's all you have for the rest of your life, then sure minimum wage should be higher.
But the point is to grow, to something better, for more. And you use the lesser jobs along the way to grow and improve your skills.
Further it's a dangerous, cancerous mentality to remove the incentive to create more for yourself and your family. If you remove incentive, you breed a society of invalids.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01/11/raj-chetty-in-14-charts-big-findings-on-opportunity-and-mobility-we-should-know/amp/
I’m sure it’s taxes and regulations holding everyone down though. Definitely not rich people with their boots on throat of the poor. Give them more power, it’ll trickle down.
Would Faye would call her rise up the ranks "false hope".
Axeing for a fren. -
It wasn't an economic plan, I was explaining to you reasons not to have a minimum wage because you asked for them. And with that you can go fuck yourself you're not interested in a conversation.allpurpleallgold said:SFGbob said:
The fact that you shit on that type of work speaks volumes. When I was a 13 year old kid that's exactly the kind of work I did, along with dozens of other small tasks. If the people I had worked for had all been forced to pay me a $15 an hour "minimum" wage I'd dare say that about half of those jobs would have never been created.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh my god, it’ll create a 6 hour a week job sweeping a parking lot? Why didn’t you just say so!SFGbob said:
Because not every place is SF and because even here in SF there are some jobs that aren't worth paying a $15 and hour minimum wage.allpurpleallgold said:If they’re not going to pay people less than minimum wage, why do you need to get rid of it?
What if I own a small store out in Merced and I'd like to have someone sweep my parking lot every other day. The job takes about an hour and half. It's not worth it to me pay someone that high a minimum wage for that type of work. But I would pay someone $10 an hour to do it. If no one is willing to do it for that kind of money I'd have to raise the wage I was willing to pay. If I'm not willing to pay $15 an hour that's a job that is never created.
Not having a minimum wage would allow for the creation of these types of jobs.
Again, you think every job should pay enough to support a family of four. You have a very limited and twisted view of the labor market.
I’m not shitting on it. I’m just not impressed with your genius economic plan to create 6 hour a week jobs for 13 year olds.
I'll know from now on to respond to you in kind.
And yes you were shitting on that type of work.
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In this thread you have called me pajama boy, accused me of exploiting illegal labor, accused me of wanting to buy off poor people with healthcare and college, said I wasn’t capable of rational thought or honesty and called Hispanics illiterate dirt farmers from shitty cultures.SFGbob said:
It wasn't an economic plan, I was explaining to you reasons not to have a minimum wage because you asked for them. And with that you can go fuck yourself you're not interested in a conversation.allpurpleallgold said:SFGbob said:
The fact that you shit on that type of work speaks volumes. When I was a 13 year old kid that's exactly the kind of work I did, along with dozens of other small tasks. If the people I had worked for had all been forced to pay me a $15 an hour "minimum" wage I'd dare say that about half of those jobs would have never been created.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh my god, it’ll create a 6 hour a week job sweeping a parking lot? Why didn’t you just say so!SFGbob said:
Because not every place is SF and because even here in SF there are some jobs that aren't worth paying a $15 and hour minimum wage.allpurpleallgold said:If they’re not going to pay people less than minimum wage, why do you need to get rid of it?
What if I own a small store out in Merced and I'd like to have someone sweep my parking lot every other day. The job takes about an hour and half. It's not worth it to me pay someone that high a minimum wage for that type of work. But I would pay someone $10 an hour to do it. If no one is willing to do it for that kind of money I'd have to raise the wage I was willing to pay. If I'm not willing to pay $15 an hour that's a job that is never created.
Not having a minimum wage would allow for the creation of these types of jobs.
Again, you think every job should pay enough to support a family of four. You have a very limited and twisted view of the labor market.
I’m not shitting on it. I’m just not impressed with your genius economic plan to create 6 hour a week jobs for 13 year olds.
I'll know from now on to respond to you in kind.
And yes you were shitting on that type of work.
But I’m the one not interested in a conversation. -
Every human being (without a developmental disability) has the capacity for growth.allpurpleallgold said:
If you insist on thinking a single example disproves statistical fact then we never even started.pawz said:
If you insist on being this myopic, I think we?re done here.allpurpleallgold said:
It worked for one person. I guess all the statistical evidence is wrong then.pawz said:allpurpleallgold said:
The American Dream is false hope. You live in a fantasy land.pawz said:allpurpleallgold said:
Ok, so you are the far right on this and I am the far left. You can’t get more extreme than no minimum wage. We’ll, slavery but I won’t accuse you of wanting that yet. The difference is it might be possible to run on my position and win.SFGbob said:
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it.
I’ll give you what you want. Yes, you should be able to raise a family on minimum wage.
Disagree.
Save the uber-rich and invalids .... The whole point of life - the American dream - is to climb a ladder to something better. If the first job you come across is shoveling shit and that's all you have for the rest of your life, then sure minimum wage should be higher.
But the point is to grow, to something better, for more. And you use the lesser jobs along the way to grow and improve your skills.
Further it's a dangerous, cancerous mentality to remove the incentive to create more for yourself and your family. If you remove incentive, you breed a society of invalids.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01/11/raj-chetty-in-14-charts-big-findings-on-opportunity-and-mobility-we-should-know/amp/
I’m sure it’s taxes and regulations holding everyone down though. Definitely not rich people with their boots on throat of the poor. Give them more power, it’ll trickle down.
Would Faye would call her rise up the ranks "false hope".
Axeing for a fren.
The poor aren't taught that. At all.
They are lulled and deluded into thinking somebody else (usually the government) will take care of them.
It's like the frog and the boiling water. They won't know how fucked they are until there is no chance left.
We could go down endless rabbit holes on this topic.
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Actually I said CD was into exploiting illegal labor.allpurpleallgold said:
In this thread you have called me pajama boy, accused me of exploiting illegal labor, accused me of wanting to buy off poor people with healthcare and college, said I wasn’t capable of rational thought or honesty and called Hispanics illiterate dirt farmers from shitty cultures.SFGbob said:
It wasn't an economic plan, I was explaining to you reasons not to have a minimum wage because you asked for them. And with that you can go fuck yourself you're not interested in a conversation.allpurpleallgold said:SFGbob said:
The fact that you shit on that type of work speaks volumes. When I was a 13 year old kid that's exactly the kind of work I did, along with dozens of other small tasks. If the people I had worked for had all been forced to pay me a $15 an hour "minimum" wage I'd dare say that about half of those jobs would have never been created.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh my god, it’ll create a 6 hour a week job sweeping a parking lot? Why didn’t you just say so!SFGbob said:
Because not every place is SF and because even here in SF there are some jobs that aren't worth paying a $15 and hour minimum wage.allpurpleallgold said:If they’re not going to pay people less than minimum wage, why do you need to get rid of it?
What if I own a small store out in Merced and I'd like to have someone sweep my parking lot every other day. The job takes about an hour and half. It's not worth it to me pay someone that high a minimum wage for that type of work. But I would pay someone $10 an hour to do it. If no one is willing to do it for that kind of money I'd have to raise the wage I was willing to pay. If I'm not willing to pay $15 an hour that's a job that is never created.
Not having a minimum wage would allow for the creation of these types of jobs.
Again, you think every job should pay enough to support a family of four. You have a very limited and twisted view of the labor market.
I’m not shitting on it. I’m just not impressed with your genius economic plan to create 6 hour a week jobs for 13 year olds.
I'll know from now on to respond to you in kind.
And yes you were shitting on that type of work.
But I’m the one not interested in a conversation. -
Quotas are now the new trump thing? And a wall?RaceBannon said:
Of course you old racist fuck the math and numbers and shit show that American minorities and legal immigrants are hurt the most by illegals.CirrhosisDawg said:
The same one who are stealing your jobs because you can’t compete?SFGbob said:
What impact does adding millions of illiterate dirt farmers who don't speak the language have on that?allpurpleallgold said:
The American Dream is false hope. You live in a fantasy land.pawz said:allpurpleallgold said:
Ok, so you are the far right on this and I am the far left. You can’t get more extreme than no minimum wage. We’ll, slavery but I won’t accuse you of wanting that yet. The difference is it might be possible to run on my position and win.SFGbob said:
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it.
I’ll give you what you want. Yes, you should be able to raise a family on minimum wage.
Disagree.
Save the uber-rich and invalids .... The whole point of life - the American dream - is to climb a ladder to something better. If the first job you come across is shoveling shit and that's all you have for the rest of your life, then sure minimum wage should be higher.
But the point is to grow, to something better, for more. And you use the lesser jobs along the way to grow and improve your skills.
Further it's a dangerous, cancerous mentality to remove the incentive to create more for yourself and your family. If you remove incentive, you breed a society of invalids.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01/11/raj-chetty-in-14-charts-big-findings-on-opportunity-and-mobility-we-should-know/amp/
I’m sure it’s taxes and regulations holding everyone down though. Definitely not rich people with their boots on throat of the poor. Give them more power, it’ll trickle down.
Not that you white trash give a fuck
Not surprised. Anything rather than having to compete. You are all very transparent, I’ll give you that. -
Family? Two people? Four? Eight? One person and a cat? Should a blind person who is worth $12 in productivity have to settle for zero because he isn’t worth $15? Why is not legal for a person worth $13 an hour to work if the minimum wage is higher than that?allpurpleallgold said:
Ok, so you are the far right on this and I am the far left. You can’t get more extreme than no minimum wage. We’ll, slavery but I won’t accuse you of wanting that yet. The difference is it might be possible to run on my position and win.SFGbob said:
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it.
I’ll give you what you want. Yes, you should be able to raise a family on minimum wage.
