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Freezing in the dark, the song of the green gaia religionists
WestlinnDuck
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Putin’s two biggest problems are American fracking and a rebuilding of our military. But somehow, a couple of hundred thousand dropped on Facebook supposedly shifted the election from PIPS, who along with her supporting PACs spent over a $200 million. PIPS opposes fracking and rebuilding the US military. She was Putin’s bitch during her entire reign as SOS. But switching gears the Russians and the Saudis have dumped millions into US green/red groups to oppose US fracking and the building of LNG export facilities. Do our patriotic leftards give a sh*t about this? Nope, after all, freezing in the dark appeals to an ignorant leftard.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/12/20/russians-funding-u-s-anti-fracking-groups/
Russians funding U.S. anti-fracking groups?
Jazz ShawPosted at 9:21 am on December 20, 2018
Darn those Russians and their meddling in American politics! No… I’m not talking about the 2016 elections, at least not quite as directly. There have been recent allegations that Russia has been “meddling” in another area entirely which hasn’t received nearly as much media attention for some reason. A couple of House committees have been looking into claims that the Russians have been funding environmentalists who push anti-fracking, “keep it in the ground” campaigns aimed at shutting down fossil fuel development in the United States. And thus far they haven’t received much cooperation. (Free Beacon)
The Treasury and State Departments have failed to respond to open records requests seeking “certain correspondence and related records discussing Russian funding of environmental pressure groups’ advocacy in the United States,” according to lawsuits filed today against Treasury and Monday against State.
Rep. Lamar Smith (R., Texas), who chairs the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, and Rep. Randy Weber (R., Texas), chairman of its energy subcommittee, sent a letter dated June 29, 2017, to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin asking him to “conduct a full and complete investigation” into allegations the Russian government has been funneling tens of millions of dollars into U.S. environmental groups to support misinformation campaigns aimed at suppressing U.S. natural gas development.
The investigation is looking into a couple areas of meddling here. Part of it is the usual Russian troll farms looking to stir up activists and get them to oppose fossil fuel production. But the more serious charge has to do with the Sea Change Foundation in San Francisco. Their mission statement claims that the group is working to “address the serious threats posed by global climate change, and primarily focuses on climate change mitigation and clean energy policy.”
Sounds like pretty standard fare for liberal groups, right? Fair enough. But the question here is where their funding is coming from. The investigation seeks to find out if Russia has been funneling money through a shell company in Bermuda and into the coffers of the Sea Change Foundation. If so, that would represent some actual, significant meddling in U.S. energy policy.
It’s funny how you don’t seem to hear much about this on CNN, isn’t it? But assuming the allegations are correct, would anyone really be surprised? It seems to be the “conventional wisdom” these days that the Russians are only interested in helping Donald Trump and the Republicans, but that’s hardly the case. Putin and his buddies will push anything which helps their own interests. In this case, the growing dominance of the United States in the global natural gas and oil markets are a direct threat to Russian energy exports.
With that in mind, it would be the most natural thing in the world for Russia to want to help American activists who want to shut down our fossil fuel energy production. We’ll need to see more proof before reaching a conclusion, but if they’re shipping millions of dollars into American lobbying groups through some offshore fund, we’ll need to know about it.
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1) He didn't "say" it dumbfuck. He is quoting someone else that says it.
2) Why does it matter if he has heard it on Fox News and how does that in anyway address the substance of the article?
It doesn't, but if gives Hondo the dipshit something to say when he doesn't want to address the substance of the article. And I'll guarantee you that Fox News has reported on the fact that anti-fracking groups were/are being bankrolled by the Russians.
Why do you not care about this Russian interference in our politics hypocrite?
You being a butt boy for Obama is just a bonus
I'm not surprised that Russia pushed anti-fracking just like I'm not surprised that they're also behind the pro gun lobby. Hillary and environmentalist are FS for opposing fracking outright. It's killed the coal industry.
Not even close. Which would Putin prefer - $130 a barrel for crude oil or $50 a barrel? Fracking is not just for natural gas. US oil production has been the driving force for the huge drop in the price of oil. Plus, the Euros wouldn’t need to worry about Russian natural gas if barry had okayed the construction of LNG export facilities and allowed fracking on federal lands. But he didn’t. Just what Putin wants and pays “American” green gaia groups to promote. Barry famously said we can’t drill our way to lower energy prices. I’ll cut him some slack and say he wasn’t intentionally lying, he is just an illiterate economic and scientific dumbshit. Pretty sure he was lying about keeping your doctor. Feel free to make your case he was just being a dumbshit again.
You do realize that not all of our enemies (Iran) don’t have nukes. Feel free to argue that we don’t need the ability for limited military engagements – that we should just nuke them. Other than that – you made absolutely no sense.
US LNG would not be competitive in EU. It's too expensive and they wouldnt be able to supply enough to put a dent relative to Russia.
I didn't argue that we don't need limited military. I argued that our military rebuild is not one of Putin's 2 biggest problems.
Trump has spent most of his presidency attacking NATO. Was dragging his feet on imposing sanctions on Russia. Also dragged his feet on condemning Russia UK poisoning and just lifted some sanctions on Russia business.
If you don’t like my oil pricing – then go look it up and get back to me. I love it when leftards are reduced to ankle biting to try to deflect from a proposition that makes their kunts hurt. American fracking has been the major driver behind the collapse in oil prices. Go look up inelastic demand. It’s an economic concept you would know about unless you are an economic illiterate. You studiously ignore the actions of barry and PIPS vis a vis Putin and Russia and try to pull some nits out of Trump’s comb over. Yeah, Trump attacked NATO for not living up to their commitments. Imagine a US president putting US interests first and expecting our nominal allies to pull their weight.
Your initial proposition was that Russia's 2 biggest problems are US fracking and US military rebuild. That we should be freaking out about Soviet influence in anti fracking.
My point is that US Fracking isn't even Putin's biggest geo-political energy concern, Crimea and controlling EU gas fall higher on his list. US fracking is egoxenous in Putin's equation. Typically you spend your time thinking about shit that you actually have control over.
If you can't even get your first talking point right and have a myopic, American centric view on what Russia cares about then we should take the rest of your alarmist position with a grain of salt. That is all.
Got it. So cutting Putin’s source of foreign currency by well more than 50% is really not a big concern. I’m not freaking out about Putin’s being in the bed with so called “American” green on the outside and red on the inside green gaia religionists. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left who actually are pretending to freak out about a couple of hundred thousand spent by the Russians on Facebook while ignoring tens of millions of dollars pouring into anti-American green gaia religionist groups.