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RaceBannon
RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,174 Founders Club
https://foxnews.com/politics/case-michael-flynn-timeline

Dec. 9, 2018

In a panel appearance with MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace, former FBI Director Comey was asked how FBI agents ended up at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 to interview Flynn. Comey's response provided new details about the circumstances that fueled criticism of the bureau's conduct:

“I sent them,” Comey said, adding that it was “something I probably wouldn’t have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”

The interview was arranged directly with Flynn, which was not typical protocol.

“If the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, and there would be discussions and approvals of who would be there,” Comey said, describing how things normally would work.

Regarding his decision to bypass those steps, he said: “I thought: 'It’s early enough, let’s just send a couple guys over.'”

Flynn’s attorneys said in a court filing that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe nudged Flynn not to have an attorney present during the questioning that led to his guilty plea.

The document revealed that the FBI took a significantly more aggressive tack in handling the Flynn interview than it did during other similar matters, including the agency’s sit-downs with Hillary Clinton and ex-Trump adviser George Papadopoulos, who was also charged with making false statements to federal investigators.

Flynn’s attorneys alleged that the FBI agents in his case did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime, and decided not to “confront” him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with Kislyak.

If “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used . . . to try to refresh his recollection," FBI agents wrote in the so-called "302" witness interview report cited by the filing. "If Flynn still would not confirm what he said . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.”

Dec. 14, 2018

Mueller faces an afternoon deadline to produce the sensitive FBI documents related to Flynn’s interviews.

Sullivan’s brief order stated that Mueller can choose to file the materials under seal if necessary.

Sullivan also ordered the Flynn team to turn over the documents backing up their assertions.

Flynn is set to be sentenced next Tuesday – but Sullivan’s review could potentially delay that date.

Sullivan has the authority to toss Flynn’s guilty plea and the charge against him if he concludes that the FBI interfered with Flynn’s constitutional right to counsel, although he has given no indications that he intends to do so.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,174 Founders Club
    The 302 report states that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” It also states that several unnamed people back at FBI headquarters “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”

    The report described Flynn as “unguarded,” saying he “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” It also states Flynn discussed a number of “various subjects,” including things like hotels stayed in during the campaign, Trump’s “knack for interior design” and other issues un-related to their inquiry.

    “Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.

    It comes days after Flynn’s legal team made the bombshell allegation that the FBI pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,136 Standard Supporter
    Fuck. I thought this was going to be a thread about Claire Underwood's saggy tits.

  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    edited December 2018
    Entrapment!

    This is the work of the same legion of evildoers that brought us Spygate, the dossier, and FISA abuse. The Deep State abounds and ridicules REAL Americans.

    @USMChawk informs us that “facts are being revealed.”

    @Dude61 tells us US DA Huber will be bringing indictments against Hillary, Comey, rice, and holder by late summer early spring. Is gitmo ready?!?1!!

    @TurdBuffer has legal expertise to explain that every Stormy Daniel NDA violation, now totaling $25mm and counting, will ruin her!

    Sledbob won’t be with us forever and with them goes every ignorant, bigoted, backward notion backstopping their futile lives.

    Doogie wonders what happens to US 3-star Generals then serving as NSA when he lies to the FBI in an interview.

    Witch hunt!! MAGA?
    Worse than watergate...
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    Poor LowIQCirrho. Still can't get over Hillary's loss to Trump.

    Normally I'd tell a person in your position to man up, but who are we kidding?
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Poor LowIQCirrho. Still can't get over Hillary's loss to Trump.

    Normally I'd tell a person in your position to man up, but who are we kidding?

    Who can’t get over trump beating Hillary? Who even mentioned it?

    You aren’t kidding anyone sweetheart.

    Are stormy’s NDA violations adding up at $1 million per? Is she financially ruined? Did you predict it? Is your truck fixed?
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Well, so much for “entrapment.”

    Is the house of cards still collapsing? Will Mexico pay for the house of cards because they certainly aren’t paying for a border wall? Nor are us taxpayers. Maybe the trump foundation will (lol!).

    Back to spygate, fisa abuse, and Hillary-Russia collusion Trumptards.



  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,174 Founders Club
    Former national security adviser Michael Flynn stood by his plea in federal court Tuesday after pleading guilty more than a year ago to making false statements to the FBI.

    Before sentencing, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan called Flynn and his attorneys to the stand and asked a series of questions to ensure Flynn did in fact want to plead guilty. Flynn said he did not want to withdraw his plea.

    The bureau has faced mounting criticism from Trump allies in recent days over its handling of the original Flynn interview that led to the false-statement charge, after it was revealed bureau leaders discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present and some inside the FBI had doubts about whether he intentionally lied. Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team defended investigators' actions, but also urged a lenient sentence.

    Ahead of the hearing, Mueller's team recommended that Flynn be spared jail time, citing his cooperation with the special counsel probe as part of a deal with prosecutors in December 2017.




    You have to be pretty stupid to think this is justice in America. Fortunately we have stupid people here
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Former national security adviser Michael Flynn stood by his plea in federal court Tuesday after pleading guilty more than a year ago to making false statements to the FBI.

    Before sentencing, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan called Flynn and his attorneys to the stand and asked a series of questions to ensure Flynn did in fact want to plead guilty. Flynn said he did not want to withdraw his plea.

    The bureau has faced mounting criticism from Trump allies in recent days over its handling of the original Flynn interview that led to the false-statement charge, after it was revealed bureau leaders discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present and some inside the FBI had doubts about whether he intentionally lied. Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team defended investigators' actions, but also urged a lenient sentence.

    Ahead of the hearing, Mueller's team recommended that Flynn be spared jail time, citing his cooperation with the special counsel probe as part of a deal with prosecutors in December 2017.




    You have to be pretty stupid to think this is justice in America. Fortunately we have stupid people here

    I really hope you are watching the sentencing hearing.

    Judge Sullivan says: “you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country serving as nsa to the potus”

    Where’s the justice? Is the america?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,174 Founders Club
    Look who proved me right
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Look who proved me right

    The judge continued: “arguably, you (Flynn) sold your country out.”
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    Must be one of those Mexican Obama "judges"
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,174 Founders Club
    edited December 2018
    If either of you pretended to give a shit about equal application of the law I might value your opinion more than the used piece of toilet paper I flushed this morning

    So serious he got no time

    Your candidate that lost acted as an unregistered agent of a foreign country to help launch this phony investigation

    Be proud
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Your candidate that lost acted as an unregistered agent of a foreign country to help launch this phony investigation


    You don't understand the Kunt logic defense Race. Since Hillary isn't in jail this never really happened although all of them are too big a coward to actually come out and clearly make that statement.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,082

    https://foxnews.com/politics/case-michael-flynn-timeline

    Dec. 9, 2018

    In a panel appearance with MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace, former FBI Director Comey was asked how FBI agents ended up at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 to interview Flynn. Comey's response provided new details about the circumstances that fueled criticism of the bureau's conduct:

    “I sent them,” Comey said, adding that it was “something I probably wouldn’t have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”

    The interview was arranged directly with Flynn, which was not typical protocol.

    “If the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, and there would be discussions and approvals of who would be there,” Comey said, describing how things normally would work.

    Regarding his decision to bypass those steps, he said: “I thought: 'It’s early enough, let’s just send a couple guys over.'”

    Flynn’s attorneys said in a court filing that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe nudged Flynn not to have an attorney present during the questioning that led to his guilty plea.

    The document revealed that the FBI took a significantly more aggressive tack in handling the Flynn interview than it did during other similar matters, including the agency’s sit-downs with Hillary Clinton and ex-Trump adviser George Papadopoulos, who was also charged with making false statements to federal investigators.

    Flynn’s attorneys alleged that the FBI agents in his case did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime, and decided not to “confront” him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with Kislyak.

    If “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used . . . to try to refresh his recollection," FBI agents wrote in the so-called "302" witness interview report cited by the filing. "If Flynn still would not confirm what he said . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.”

    Dec. 14, 2018

    Mueller faces an afternoon deadline to produce the sensitive FBI documents related to Flynn’s interviews.

    Sullivan’s brief order stated that Mueller can choose to file the materials under seal if necessary.

    Sullivan also ordered the Flynn team to turn over the documents backing up their assertions.

    Flynn is set to be sentenced next Tuesday – but Sullivan’s review could potentially delay that date.

    Sullivan has the authority to toss Flynn’s guilty plea and the charge against him if he concludes that the FBI interfered with Flynn’s constitutional right to counsel, although he has given no indications that he intends to do so.

    If you all get nothing else, ever, out of my presence here, get this: don't agree to that. Not ever, under any circumstances. Get a lawyer, and not a pretend one like me. A real one who knows how to handle law enforcement. I've been in rooms where the DOJ is going after pretty powerful, or at least very wealthy, people, and even with their attorneys present, you could see the fear in their eyes. All the bravado washes away, even with the really tuff guys like bobsled. It's no joke. The feds, in particular, are cold-hearted killers. They have no emotion, no humor, no empathy, no "we get it", no "I don't blame you, but," no humanity, nothing to indicate you are talking to another real person. All they want to do is pin your ass to wheel and throw you in the slammer. The more money you make, the more motivated they are to hang you.

    Never, ever go it alone. No matter what they promise, you get what you deserve if you go in naked.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,082

    The 302 report states that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” It also states that several unnamed people back at FBI headquarters “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”

    The report described Flynn as “unguarded,” saying he “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” It also states Flynn discussed a number of “various subjects,” including things like hotels stayed in during the campaign, Trump’s “knack for interior design” and other issues un-related to their inquiry.

    “Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.

    It comes days after Flynn’s legal team made the bombshell allegation that the FBI pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House.

    Jimminy. Who is this guy? I'm more concerned about why Trump would pick someone so stupid to serve. Jim Jim Jimminy what a rookie mistake.
  • USMChawk
    USMChawk Member Posts: 1,800

    The 302 report states that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” It also states that several unnamed people back at FBI headquarters “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”

    The report described Flynn as “unguarded,” saying he “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” It also states Flynn discussed a number of “various subjects,” including things like hotels stayed in during the campaign, Trump’s “knack for interior design” and other issues un-related to their inquiry.

    “Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.

    It comes days after Flynn’s legal team made the bombshell allegation that the FBI pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House.

    Jimminy. Who is this guy? I'm more concerned about why Trump would pick someone so stupid to serve. Jim Jim Jimminy what a rookie mistake.
    He’s a guy that lived his life in the military, not in politics, so his personal experience was much more trusting than it should have been. Although, at the General level, there is a lot of exposure to politics/politicians, so it is a hard to understand. Rookie mistake sums it up perfectly.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,082
    USMChawk said:

    The 302 report states that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” It also states that several unnamed people back at FBI headquarters “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”

    The report described Flynn as “unguarded,” saying he “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” It also states Flynn discussed a number of “various subjects,” including things like hotels stayed in during the campaign, Trump’s “knack for interior design” and other issues un-related to their inquiry.

    “Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.

    It comes days after Flynn’s legal team made the bombshell allegation that the FBI pushed him not to bring a lawyer to his fateful Jan. 24, 2017 interview with agents at the White House.

    Jimminy. Who is this guy? I'm more concerned about why Trump would pick someone so stupid to serve. Jim Jim Jimminy what a rookie mistake.
    He’s a guy that lived his life in the military, not in politics, so his personal experience was much more trusting than it should have been. Although, at the General level, there is a lot of exposure to politics/politicians, so it is a hard to understand. Rookie mistake sums it up perfectly.
    The wallet card version: if the feds want to talk to you, it is because they want your help hanging (1) you or (2) someone else. There is no other motive, ever.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    Nobody is a big enough retard to believe Flynn didn't know any better than to talk to the FBI without counsel.

    The judge on the case thinks Flynn is s huge piece of shit.

    Sounds to me like Flynn served up some real dirt.

    Hammer about to drop.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    Look who proved me right

    The judge continued: “arguably, you (Flynn) sold your country out.”
    You libs just can’t keep from Lying, can you.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    edited December 2018
    "I was just trying to determine the benefit and the generosity of the government," Sullivan said. "Don't read too much into the questions I ask." Prosecutor Brandon Van Grack said Mueller's team has "no concern" or no reason to think Flynn committed treason.


    Pretty clear that a lot of Poasters hear owe General Flynn a personal apology for their slander.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254

    Look who proved me right

    The judge continued: “arguably, you (Flynn) sold your country out.”
    The judge has since apologized for this statement and has his facts wrong about Flynn. He was not an UFA while serving at NSA.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Dude61 said:

    Look who proved me right

    The judge continued: “arguably, you (Flynn) sold your country out.”
    The judge has since apologized for this statement and has his facts wrong about Flynn. He was not an UFA while serving at NSA.
    Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today and continues to cooperate with mueller regarding the ongoing Turkish extradition charge (in and about which Flynn also acknowledged lying to the
    FBI.)

    I can’t wait for Huber to weigh in on behalf of equal American justice. Any day now or late fall?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today

    Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    SFGbob said:

    Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today

    Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.

    You mean lying to the fbi? Is that the same as false statements? Are “false statements” not corrupt? What about lying?

    Like you’ll answer the questions you coward...
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,199 Founders Club

    https://foxnews.com/politics/case-michael-flynn-timeline

    Dec. 9, 2018

    In a panel appearance with MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace, former FBI Director Comey was asked how FBI agents ended up at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 to interview Flynn. Comey's response provided new details about the circumstances that fueled criticism of the bureau's conduct:

    “I sent them,” Comey said, adding that it was “something I probably wouldn’t have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”

    The interview was arranged directly with Flynn, which was not typical protocol.

    “If the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, and there would be discussions and approvals of who would be there,” Comey said, describing how things normally would work.

    Regarding his decision to bypass those steps, he said: “I thought: 'It’s early enough, let’s just send a couple guys over.'”

    Flynn’s attorneys said in a court filing that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe nudged Flynn not to have an attorney present during the questioning that led to his guilty plea.

    The document revealed that the FBI took a significantly more aggressive tack in handling the Flynn interview than it did during other similar matters, including the agency’s sit-downs with Hillary Clinton and ex-Trump adviser George Papadopoulos, who was also charged with making false statements to federal investigators.

    Flynn’s attorneys alleged that the FBI agents in his case did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime, and decided not to “confront” him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with Kislyak.

    If “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used . . . to try to refresh his recollection," FBI agents wrote in the so-called "302" witness interview report cited by the filing. "If Flynn still would not confirm what he said . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.”

    Dec. 14, 2018

    Mueller faces an afternoon deadline to produce the sensitive FBI documents related to Flynn’s interviews.

    Sullivan’s brief order stated that Mueller can choose to file the materials under seal if necessary.

    Sullivan also ordered the Flynn team to turn over the documents backing up their assertions.

    Flynn is set to be sentenced next Tuesday – but Sullivan’s review could potentially delay that date.

    Sullivan has the authority to toss Flynn’s guilty plea and the charge against him if he concludes that the FBI interfered with Flynn’s constitutional right to counsel, although he has given no indications that he intends to do so.

    If you all get nothing else, ever, out of my presence here, get this: don't agree to that. Not ever, under any circumstances. Get a lawyer, and not a pretend one like me. A real one who knows how to handle law enforcement. I've been in rooms where the DOJ is going after pretty powerful, or at least very wealthy, people, and even with their attorneys present, you could see the fear in their eyes. All the bravado washes away, even with the really tuff guys like bobsled. It's no joke. The feds, in particular, are cold-hearted killers. They have no emotion, no humor, no empathy, no "we get it", no "I don't blame you, but," no humanity, nothing to indicate you are talking to another real person. All they want to do is pin your ass to wheel and throw you in the slammer. The more money you make, the more motivated they are to hang you.

    Never, ever go it alone. No matter what they promise, you get what you deserve if you go in naked.
    Have survived questioning. Fuckers are as you said, after nothing else than to put someone in jail [full stop] Don't be the easiest mark for them to do this to.

    Have also "survived" having a friend working for the DOJ. Wowzahs to that whole god damn lot. I'm not sure who is worse, the morally righteous crusaders or the guys as corrupt as the Mexican PFP.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today

    Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.

    You mean lying to the fbi? Is that the same as false statements? Are “false statements” not corrupt? What about lying?

    Like you’ll answer the questions you coward...
    Oh I see, you have your own personal definition of what constitutes Federal "corruption charges." Next time why don't you tell me that we're using your own Kunt based definition of words and terms and not what the words actually mean or the statutes actually say.

    Here read the statute yourself Kunt.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

    Nothing in there about corruption. So it appears you're going with both liar and dumbfuck.

  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today

    Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.

    You mean lying to the fbi? Is that the same as false statements? Are “false statements” not corrupt? What about lying?

    Like you’ll answer the questions you coward...
    Oh I see, you have your own personal definition of what constitutes Federal "corruption charges." Next time why don't you tell me that we're using your own Kunt based definition of words and terms and not what the words actually mean or the statutes actually say.

    Here read the statute yourself Kunt.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

    Nothing in there about corruption. So it appears you're going with both liar and dumbfuck.

    Why waste your time with LowIQCirrho? Seriously. His ignorance of how things work is so profound that even backhanding him is teaching him more than he'd ever learn on his own.

    His is one case where beating the subject actually helps it. Stop doing him favors.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Flynn pleaded guilty to federal corruption charges today

    Liar or dumbfuck? He plead guilty to making false statements to the DOJ. Sweet Geezus what a dumbass. No wonder you and Hondo like tonguing each others bung holes, you have so much in common.

    You mean lying to the fbi? Is that the same as false statements? Are “false statements” not corrupt? What about lying?

    Like you’ll answer the questions you coward...
    Oh I see, you have your own personal definition of what constitutes Federal "corruption charges." Next time why don't you tell me that we're using your own Kunt based definition of words and terms and not what the words actually mean or the statutes actually say.

    Here read the statute yourself Kunt.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

    Nothing in there about corruption. So it appears you're going with both liar and dumbfuck.

    Why waste your time with LowIQCirrho? Seriously. His ignorance of how things work is so profound that even backhanding him is teaching him more than he'd ever learn on his own.

    His is one case where beating the subject actually helps it. Stop doing him favors.
    Well fuck, look at this.
    Very hurtful.
    I thought we were friends.
    Fixed your truck?