UW had good to great point guard play for the better part of 15 years

HillsboroDuck

Conway
Nate
Roy
Appleby
Dentmon
Venoy
IT
Gaddy
Andrews
Fultz

We win tonight's game with the Senior versions of any of them (or the final year they played here) in place of Senior Crisp.

I hate to bash a Seattle kid but ho. lee. fuck. this team needs a point guard.

HillsboroDuck

Crisp still isn't a point guard but he's really stepped up his play of late. I don't think I even hate him anymore.








For now.

PurpleThrobber

You forgot a couple who escaped Romar's 'coaching'.

Hi there, Basnight, you fucking fag you.

UWhuskytskeet

Dickau was a Bender guy, but still.

DeepDawg

Just here to say I still hate Crisp

PurpleThrobber

UWhuskytskeet said:

Dickau was a Bender guy, but still.

Sark > Ty, too.

GreenRiverGatorz

Would you still take Appleby over him?

HillsboroDuck

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Would you still take Appleby over him?

An excellent question. Apples is the best comp for him, they're incredibly similar players. Crisp is more turnover prone, but also capable of hitting clutch threes which Appleby never did. He drove me crazy how he could never hit one when it counted.

OTOH, Apples was nails from the line where Crisp is a major disappointment.

Ultimately I'd probably take Crisp because he's not painful to look at like Appleby was. But in terms of impacting the game I think they're roughly the same.

GreenRiverGatorz

HillsboroDuck said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Would you still take Appleby over him?

An excellent question. Apples is the best comp for him, they're incredibly similar players. Crisp is more turnover prone, but also capable of hitting clutch threes which Appleby never did. He drove me crazy how he could never hit one when it counted.

OTOH, Apples was nails from the line where Crisp is a major disappointment.

Ultimately I'd probably take Crisp because he's not painful to look at like Appleby was. But in terms of impacting the game I think they're roughly the same.

You're telling me this was a painful image for the basketball team?

RoadDawg55

Crisp is better than Gaddy and Appleby. Maybe Venoy too.

Miley_Cyrus

HillsboroDuck said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Would you still take Appleby over him?

An excellent question. Apples is the best comp for him, they're incredibly similar players. Crisp is more turnover prone, but also capable of hitting clutch threes which Appleby never did. He drove me crazy how he could never hit one when it counted.

OTOH, Apples was nails from the line where Crisp is a major disappointment.

Ultimately I'd probably take Crisp because he's not painful to look at like Appleby was. But in terms of impacting the game I think they're roughly the same.

Appleby wasn’t a PG.

HillsboroDuck

RoadDawg55 said:

Crisp is better than Gaddy and Appleby. Maybe Venoy too.

He might be better than Gaddy but IMO Gaddy would be a much better fit for this team. This team has no ball handlers and really no distributors. Gaddy was significantly better at both than Crisp.

I think Venoy was better but Crisp might be a better fit because Venoy's greatest asset was defensive and there might be a point of diminishing returns if you added Venoy's defense to this roster.

Appleby is basically the same exact player.

HillsboroDuck

Miley_Cyrus said:

HillsboroDuck said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Would you still take Appleby over him?

An excellent question. Apples is the best comp for him, they're incredibly similar players. Crisp is more turnover prone, but also capable of hitting clutch threes which Appleby never did. He drove me crazy how he could never hit one when it counted.

OTOH, Apples was nails from the line where Crisp is a major disappointment.

Ultimately I'd probably take Crisp because he's not painful to look at like Appleby was. But in terms of impacting the game I think they're roughly the same.

Appleby wasn’t a PG.

Neither is Crisp.

Meek

GreenRiverGatorz said:

HillsboroDuck said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Would you still take Appleby over him?

An excellent question. Apples is the best comp for him, they're incredibly similar players. Crisp is more turnover prone, but also capable of hitting clutch threes which Appleby never did. He drove me crazy how he could never hit one when it counted.

OTOH, Apples was nails from the line where Crisp is a major disappointment.

Ultimately I'd probably take Crisp because he's not painful to look at like Appleby was. But in terms of impacting the game I think they're roughly the same.

You're telling me this was a painful image for the basketball team?

those unis were so much better than the dreck we wear now.

i cannot tell you how hard it is for me to watch basketball with that heinous W on the side of the shorts.

dawgs206

Appleby in a heartbeat. Every team needs a guy that can just spread the floor and knock down 3’s and that’s their sole purpose. Career 41% 3 pt shooter compared to 33.3% for Crisp. Averaged 3 made 3’s per game his senior year compared to 1.5 for Crisp. Lower turnover percentage, better from the line, though neither shoot many free throws. Don’t remember saying WTF out loud as many times per game watching Appleby. Neither are known for defense and the zone minimizes the negative impact there a bit.

Appleby is essentially a much more efficient (offensively) Dominic Green.

HillsboroDuck

dawgs206 said:

Appleby in a heartbeat. Every team needs a guy that can just spread the floor and knock down 3’s and that’s their sole purpose. Career 41% 3 pt shooter compared to 33.3% for Crisp. Averaged 3 made 3’s per game his senior year compared to 1.5 for Crisp. Lower turnover percentage, better from the line, though neither shoot many free throws. Don’t remember saying WTF out loud as many times per game watching Appleby. Neither are known for defense and the zone minimizes the negative impact there a bit.

Appleby is essentially a much more efficient (offensively) Dominic Green.

I definitely do. Or at least an awful lot.

theknowledge

Dentmon was not a good player for three out of his four years, Gaddy was either hurt or disappointing in his four years here and Andrews was not good three of his four years here. I like the idea of 15 years of good PG play but those three were only good for 2.5 of their 12 years of UW basketball. Thats a lot of shitty PG play to watch waiting for a light to come on or for the referees to give them "senior calls" like Andrews lived off his senior year. That cat scored as much from the line as he did from the floor.

BleachedAnusDawg

HillsboroDuck said:

dawgs206 said:

Appleby in a heartbeat. Every team needs a guy that can just spread the floor and knock down 3’s and that’s their sole purpose. Career 41% 3 pt shooter compared to 33.3% for Crisp. Averaged 3 made 3’s per game his senior year compared to 1.5 for Crisp. Lower turnover percentage, better from the line, though neither shoot many free throws. Don’t remember saying WTF out loud as many times per game watching Appleby. Neither are known for defense and the zone minimizes the negative impact there a bit.

Appleby is essentially a much more efficient (offensively) Dominic Green.

I definitely do. Or at least an awful lot.

Next thing I know you're gonna start bashing Joe Jarzynka.

HillsboroDuck

theknowledge said:

Dentmon was not a good player for three out of his four years, Gaddy was either hurt or disappointing in his four years here and Andrews was not good three of his four years here. I like the idea of 15 years of good PG play but those three were only good for 2.5 of their 12 years of UW basketball. Thats a lot of shitty PG play to watch waiting for a light to come on or for the referees to give them "senior calls" like Andrews lived off his senior year. That cat scored as much from the line as he did from the floor.

Most of this is true though I’d argue Dentmon was good as a frosh as well as a senior. Gaddy being disappointing is obviously very true but it doesn’t mean he wasn’t a better at running point than Crisp was - he had huge expectations he never lived up to but he could handle the ball and distribute it far better than Crisp even if he couldn’t score anything like what Crisp does.

And while the truth that those guys weren't necessarily good until their seniors years is true, most of them played alongside another one of them earlier in their careers who was good.

(Bad PG play years in bold)

04: Will and Nate
05: Will and Nate
06: Roy and Good Dentmon
07: Disastrous PG play by Dentmon and Appleby kept us from being a tourney team with Hawes and Brockman.
08: Bad Dentmon/Appleby/Overton (mediocre year here, not the disaster of 07 by any means)
09: Good Dentmon/IT/Overton
10: IT/Overton
11: IT/Overton
12: Bad Gaddy/Wroten (Wroten had more turnovers than assists)
13: Good Gaddy
14: Bad Andrews
15: Bad Andrews
16: Good Andrews
17: Fultz
18: Crisp
19: Crisp

So basically before Crisp took over point there had been four or five seasons of bad PG play of our last 14.

So I overstated it a bit but that's 9 years of good PG at worst and I would say eight of those years (04, 05, 06, 09, 10, 11, 16 and 17) were excellent.

RoadDawg55

Gaddy was never good. His stats weren’t terrible, but he sucked. He was slow, couldn’t penetrate, and couldn’t shoot.

dawgs206

HillsboroDuck said:

dawgs206 said:

Appleby in a heartbeat. Every team needs a guy that can just spread the floor and knock down 3’s and that’s their sole purpose. Career 41% 3 pt shooter compared to 33.3% for Crisp. Averaged 3 made 3’s per game his senior year compared to 1.5 for Crisp. Lower turnover percentage, better from the line, though neither shoot many free throws. Don’t remember saying WTF out loud as many times per game watching Appleby. Neither are known for defense and the zone minimizes the negative impact there a bit.

Appleby is essentially a much more efficient (offensively) Dominic Green.

I definitely do. Or at least an awful lot.

Only could watch the first half, but I counted about 4 WTF in the first 10 minutes for Crisp haha. He'll end up with around ~1.7X more total turnovers than Appleby had his junior and senior years. Appleby only shot 45 2PA his senior year. He knew his role and you could rely on him to play it well. No driving to the hoop 1 on 3 in transition nonsense.