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2001400ex

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

Surprise surprise, the attribute projecting asshats at Fox want their dumb viewers to think that there's no difference between gerrymandering and competitive redistricting

Fox is shit, Race. You know that, somewhere deep down

Numbers are numbers

Tell me where they are wrong?

The democrats and repubs love to gerrymander. That isn't the issue. The numbers say the proportions are right

Obama and his fundamental change to America can go fuck themselves

We don't have a PR system. Plurality vote systems tend to overweight the winning party. Overweighting the winning party is different than having the losing party gain a majority of seats, which is what gerrymandering allows for.

Rove says that CA's system is gerrymandered. It is not, and he fucking knows it. He wants people to think that it is, instead of being the nonpartisan commission's product, because he wants people to think that it is no better than existing gerrymandered systems, so people won't want to change them.

Gerrymandering affects representative behavior between elections, in addition to affecting electoral outcomes. Everyone should want an end to gerrymandering if they want better behavior from their representatives. If you'd rather bitch and poont partisan fingers, then your part of the problem instead of the solution.

An actual example of gerrymandering is the 2012 election in the house. Where Republicans ended up with 33 more seats but lost the popular vote by 1.5 million people.

RaceBannon

2001400ex said:

BearsWiin said:

RaceBannon said:

BearsWiin said:

Surprise surprise, the attribute projecting asshats at Fox want their dumb viewers to think that there's no difference between gerrymandering and competitive redistricting

Fox is shit, Race. You know that, somewhere deep down

Numbers are numbers

Tell me where they are wrong?

The democrats and repubs love to gerrymander. That isn't the issue. The numbers say the proportions are right

Obama and his fundamental change to America can go fuck themselves

We don't have a PR system. Plurality vote systems tend to overweight the winning party. Overweighting the winning party is different than having the losing party gain a majority of seats, which is what gerrymandering allows for.

Rove says that CA's system is gerrymandered. It is not, and he fucking knows it. He wants people to think that it is, instead of being the nonpartisan commission's product, because he wants people to think that it is no better than existing gerrymandered systems, so people won't want to change them.

Gerrymandering affects representative behavior between elections, in addition to affecting electoral outcomes. Everyone should want an end to gerrymandering if they want better behavior from their representatives. If you'd rather bitch and poont partisan fingers, then your part of the problem instead of the solution.

An actual example of gerrymandering is the 2012 election in the house. Where Republicans ended up with 33 more seats but lost the popular vote by 1.5 million people.

@BearsWiin

BearsWiin

Read his last fucking paragraph, for Christ's sake. He said it.

Everybody does not want that. Some of us who actually fucking understnad the subject want it ended entirely. Be better.

RaceBannon

Like I said he's asking Obama to hold to his own definition

I want it ended entirely too

I'm classy like that

Obama and Holder don't and I'm sure Rove is GOP equivalent

BearsWiin

Obama and Holder are calling for nonpartisan state commissions to handle redistricting. They are advocating for an end to partisan gerrymandering. Rove is clearly not doing that. He's deliberately trying to muddy the waters by making PR arguments, which don't apply in plurality voting systems.

Both sides not equally bad.

2001400ex

RaceBannon said:

Like I said he's asking Obama to hold to his own definition

I want it ended entirely too

I'm classy like that

Obama and Holder don't and I'm sure Rove is GOP equivalent

2020 will be interesting when the lines get redrawn again. And states adjusted for population. Towards the end of the 10 year cycle they can get skewed. If Democrats can, I'm sure they'll draw the lines to their advantage.

BearsWiin

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

Like I said he's asking Obama to hold to his own definition

I want it ended entirely too

I'm classy like that

Obama and Holder don't and I'm sure Rove is GOP equivalent

2020 will be interesting when the lines get redrawn again. And states adjusted for population. Towards the end of the 10 year cycle they can get skewed. If Democrats can, I'm sure they'll draw the lines to their advantage.

They shouldn't.

Oh, and shut the fuck up already

2001400ex

BearsWiin said:

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

Like I said he's asking Obama to hold to his own definition

I want it ended entirely too

I'm classy like that

Obama and Holder don't and I'm sure Rove is GOP equivalent

2020 will be interesting when the lines get redrawn again. And states adjusted for population. Towards the end of the 10 year cycle they can get skewed. If Democrats can, I'm sure they'll draw the lines to their advantage.

They shouldn't.

Oh, and shut the fuck up already

Of course they shouldn't. But politicians will politic. That's the unspoken reason this past election, both sides did everything they could to rile up their base. Although the 2020 election will be even more important as the lines for the house will be redrawn under that house.

BearsWiin

2001400ex said:

BearsWiin said:

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

Like I said he's asking Obama to hold to his own definition

I want it ended entirely too

I'm classy like that

Obama and Holder don't and I'm sure Rove is GOP equivalent

2020 will be interesting when the lines get redrawn again. And states adjusted for population. Towards the end of the 10 year cycle they can get skewed. If Democrats can, I'm sure they'll draw the lines to their advantage.

They shouldn't.

Oh, and shut the fuck up already

Of course they shouldn't. But politicians will politic. That's the unspoken reason this past election, both sides did everything they could to rile up their base. Although the 2020 election will be even more important as the lines for the house will be redrawn under that house.

Rules provide incentives and constraints for actors in the system. If we want better behavior from our elected officials, we need to change the rules. That's why it's a promising sign that more states are implementing nonpartisan electoral redistricting commissions, like CA's, to redraw districts instead of leaving it to state legislatures.

Shut the fuck up already

2001400ex

BearsWiin said:

2001400ex said:

BearsWiin said:

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

Like I said he's asking Obama to hold to his own definition

I want it ended entirely too

I'm classy like that

Obama and Holder don't and I'm sure Rove is GOP equivalent

2020 will be interesting when the lines get redrawn again. And states adjusted for population. Towards the end of the 10 year cycle they can get skewed. If Democrats can, I'm sure they'll draw the lines to their advantage.

They shouldn't.

Oh, and shut the fuck up already

Of course they shouldn't. But politicians will politic. That's the unspoken reason this past election, both sides did everything they could to rile up their base. Although the 2020 election will be even more important as the lines for the house will be redrawn under that house.

Rules provide incentives and constraints for actors in the system. If we want better behavior from our elected officials, we need to change the rules. That's why it's a promising sign that more states are implementing nonpartisan electoral redistricting commissions, like CA's, to redraw districts instead of leaving it to state legislatures.

Shut the fuck up already

Well the behavior of our politicians won't change until the lobbying system and citizens United are changed. Right now they act on the benefit of the large donors, including corporations, rather than on the best interest of the people who actually elected them. At least at the national level. One example of that is the marijuana policy. Another example is the cluster of Obamacare.