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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,839 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    The perpetrator is evil not the inanimate object. Making shit illegal doesn't help.
    I think murder is illegal already. HTH

    There's a fine line. There's no reason a mentally incompetent person should own semi-automatic weapons, for example. The only caveat there is that you're depending on the integrity of those with the power to determine mental competence from not politicizing the whole thing.
    This guy was checked by a PET team sometime prior and they thought he wasn't a danger to anyone and didn't commit him. Again a failure in the system.
    And sometimes a person's condition worsens over time.

    Blaming "the system" is pretty convenient. And meaningless. And useless.

    Might as well blame toxic masculinity or the patriarchy.
    The system is broken we have 5% off the psychiatric hospital beds we had in the 60's. You just can't house them all. 1 in 10 people on the street are mentally disturbed enough to be a danger to others. Add up your local population. The numbers are pretty crazy.
    Most of those changes happened under Reagan. Just to remind you.
    Most of those changes were courts saying you can't keep those people.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,964 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    The perpetrator is evil not the inanimate object. Making shit illegal doesn't help.
    I think murder is illegal already. HTH

    There's a fine line. There's no reason a mentally incompetent person should own semi-automatic weapons, for example. The only caveat there is that you're depending on the integrity of those with the power to determine mental competence from not politicizing the whole thing.
    This guy was checked by a PET team sometime prior and they thought he wasn't a danger to anyone and didn't commit him. Again a failure in the system.
    And sometimes a person's condition worsens over time.

    Blaming "the system" is pretty convenient. And meaningless. And useless.

    Might as well blame toxic masculinity or the patriarchy.
    The system is broken we have 5% off the psychiatric hospital beds we had in the 60's. You just can't house them all. 1 in 10 people on the street are mentally disturbed enough to be a danger to others. Add up your local population. The numbers are pretty crazy.
    Most of those changes happened under Reagan. Just to remind you.
    Most of those changes were courts saying you can't keep those people.
    No, Sleddy, it was Reagan and his first Congress.

    Big positive changes in mental health treatment occurred during the 1970's culminating in the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980, sponsored by Ted Kennedy and signed into law by Prez Carter. Then almost entirely repealed under Reagan's Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 Superiority Guy
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,839 Standard Supporter

    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 Superiority Guy

    I doubt one year changed a damn thing. They don't keep people locked up in mental hospitals like they used to. Hence the closure of large mental institutions such as Camarillo state hospital in Kali. So big it's now a college. There is no where to put them and standards for keeping loonies have changed dramatically.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,964 Standard Supporter

    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 Superiority Guy

    It took you a day to come up with that?
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,964 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 Superiority Guy

    I doubt one year changed a damn thing. They don't keep people locked up in mental hospitals like they used to. Hence the closure of large mental institutions such as Camarillo state hospital in Kali. So big it's now a college. There is no where to put them and standards for keeping loonies have changed dramatically.
    That's all true, but the cynicism of the Reagan era repeals designed to supposedly "free" those from state institutions unless they were a danger to themselves or others was pretty Goddamn deceitful and cynical. That standard was and is wholly irrelevant to the issue of whether such people actually possessed the skills and faculties to survive and have a meaningful safe life outside the institutions. The homeless situation exploded in Seattle almost overnight in 1982.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,839 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 Superiority Guy

    I doubt one year changed a damn thing. They don't keep people locked up in mental hospitals like they used to. Hence the closure of large mental institutions such as Camarillo state hospital in Kali. So big it's now a college. There is no where to put them and standards for keeping loonies have changed dramatically.
    That's all true, but the cynicism of the Reagan era repeals designed to supposedly "free" those from state institutions unless they were a danger to themselves or others was pretty Goddamn deceitful and cynical. That standard was and is wholly irrelevant to the issue of whether such people actually possessed the skills and faculties to survive and have a meaningful safe life outside the institutions. The homeless situation exploded in Seattle almost overnight in 1982.
    I agree. Today the real standard is danger to themselves or others alone. And even then they often just toss drugs in them and put them back on the street.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 Superiority Guy

    It took you a day to come up with that?
    No
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