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You want more fly sweeps? Is that what you actually wrote?dtd said:
In a vacuum I don't hate the change, but there is zero creativity. One fly sweep the entire year. One.Mosster47 said:
The ZR system wasn't sustainable long term and it got hammered against teams with good D-lines. The minimal blocking stuff will win you games and put up monster numbers against bad teams. Good teams eat that shit up.dtd said:
Let's normalize for conference games? Maybe it doesn't matter. I stand by everything I said.Mosster47 said:
Aren't we leading the conference in rushing?dtd said:
Oregon rarely breaks big gainers on the ground. Maybe this'll be the week, I dunno. They've clearly raised the floor, Oregon is probably the best short yardage running team in the conference, the TFL % is way down, but they've castrated the high end of the rushing attack. There's no more bust, but there's no more boom.lawsandl said:
Do you really think the Cougs hold the Ducks to the same rushing output?dtd said:
Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.lawsandl said:
Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.dtd said:
WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Dont be so suredtd said:
Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.DerekJohnson said:Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.
While UW has clearly played superior competition than WSU, statistically, the rush D's aren't much different. Besides, this is all about their QB sitting in a clean pocket slinging it around the field against our idiots in the back 7.
Oregon's 2 deep in the secondary is: So/Fr, Sr/Fr, So/So, and So/Fr. No fucking way we? win this game. This is why the CHOKE against Stanford is so painful. Losing to WSU is okay, they're built to beat us, it was always going to happen. But now we're fucked because the 2nd conference loss is gonna end the season.
This isn't the same strike fear into your opponents's hearts rushing attack. This is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust rushing attack
The rushing attack now can grind against anyone.
Fucking FLY SWEEPS???!!11
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No. Winning football is built on fly sweepscreepycoug said:
Um that's exactly what it does dumb fuck. It keeps your defense off the field and, when they have to come on, they're more rested. The ability to run without misdirection and 50 other things going on… Just lining up and running the fucking ball and being able to do it successfully even when the defense knows it's coming, is exactly the basis upon which true winning football is built.dtd said:
Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.lawsandl said:
Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.dtd said:
WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Dont be so suredtd said:
Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.DerekJohnson said:Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.
I also think you are underestimating Oregon's defense. There are definitely some weaknesses: Graham being the most pronounced. But unlike the last few years, they are able to get stops when they need them. -
Hanson doesn't sky a snap and CJ doesn't fumble finishing the game. The Ducks are unbeaten and #5 right now.ntxduck said:
2 plays?Mosster47 said:
Oregon is two plays away from being 6-0. How much more fly sweep to Charles Nelson for negative yards did you need to see?dtd said:
In a vacuum I don't hate the change, but there is zero creativity. One fly sweep the entire year. One.Mosster47 said:
The ZR system wasn't sustainable long term and it got hammered against teams with good D-lines. The minimal blocking stuff will win you games and put up monster numbers against bad teams. Good teams eat that shit up.dtd said:
Let's normalize for conference games? Maybe it doesn't matter. I stand by everything I said.Mosster47 said:
Aren't we leading the conference in rushing?dtd said:
Oregon rarely breaks big gainers on the ground. Maybe this'll be the week, I dunno. They've clearly raised the floor, Oregon is probably the best short yardage running team in the conference, the TFL % is way down, but they've castrated the high end of the rushing attack. There's no more bust, but there's no more boom.lawsandl said:
Do you really think the Cougs hold the Ducks to the same rushing output?dtd said:
Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.lawsandl said:
Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.dtd said:
WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Dont be so suredtd said:
Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.DerekJohnson said:Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.
While UW has clearly played superior competition than WSU, statistically, the rush D's aren't much different. Besides, this is all about their QB sitting in a clean pocket slinging it around the field against our idiots in the back 7.
Oregon's 2 deep in the secondary is: So/Fr, Sr/Fr, So/So, and So/Fr. No fucking way we? win this game. This is why the CHOKE against Stanford is so painful. Losing to WSU is okay, they're built to beat us, it was always going to happen. But now we're fucked because the 2nd conference loss is gonna end the season.
This isn't the same strike fear into your opponents's hearts rushing attack. This is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust rushing attack
The rushing attack now can grind against anyone. -
I know. It's one play though, not two.Mosster47 said:
Hanson doesn't sky a snap and CJ doesn't fumble finishing the game. The Ducks are unbeaten and #5 right now.ntxduck said:
2 plays?Mosster47 said:
Oregon is two plays away from being 6-0. How much more fly sweep to Charles Nelson for negative yards did you need to see?dtd said:
In a vacuum I don't hate the change, but there is zero creativity. One fly sweep the entire year. One.Mosster47 said:
The ZR system wasn't sustainable long term and it got hammered against teams with good D-lines. The minimal blocking stuff will win you games and put up monster numbers against bad teams. Good teams eat that shit up.dtd said:
Let's normalize for conference games? Maybe it doesn't matter. I stand by everything I said.Mosster47 said:
Aren't we leading the conference in rushing?dtd said:
Oregon rarely breaks big gainers on the ground. Maybe this'll be the week, I dunno. They've clearly raised the floor, Oregon is probably the best short yardage running team in the conference, the TFL % is way down, but they've castrated the high end of the rushing attack. There's no more bust, but there's no more boom.lawsandl said:
Do you really think the Cougs hold the Ducks to the same rushing output?dtd said:
Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.lawsandl said:
Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.dtd said:
WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Dont be so suredtd said:
Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.DerekJohnson said:Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.
While UW has clearly played superior competition than WSU, statistically, the rush D's aren't much different. Besides, this is all about their QB sitting in a clean pocket slinging it around the field against our idiots in the back 7.
Oregon's 2 deep in the secondary is: So/Fr, Sr/Fr, So/So, and So/Fr. No fucking way we? win this game. This is why the CHOKE against Stanford is so painful. Losing to WSU is okay, they're built to beat us, it was always going to happen. But now we're fucked because the 2nd conference loss is gonna end the season.
This isn't the same strike fear into your opponents's hearts rushing attack. This is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust rushing attack
The rushing attack now can grind against anyone. -
fuck herPurpleJ said:I haven't talked to my sister in months and she texts me out of the blue to taunt me. She's married to a jack duck. Fuck me.
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@Mosster47 Ducks now 6th in the conference in yards per rush.
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Yes you fucking dipshit. It's called a constraint play. Look it up. This offense badly needs one. But why run more of the play that went for 16 yards against Stanford, that'd be stupid.MikeSeaver said:
You want more fly sweeps? Is that what you actually wrote?dtd said:
In a vacuum I don't hate the change, but there is zero creativity. One fly sweep the entire year. One.Mosster47 said:
The ZR system wasn't sustainable long term and it got hammered against teams with good D-lines. The minimal blocking stuff will win you games and put up monster numbers against bad teams. Good teams eat that shit up.dtd said:
Let's normalize for conference games? Maybe it doesn't matter. I stand by everything I said.Mosster47 said:
Aren't we leading the conference in rushing?dtd said:
Oregon rarely breaks big gainers on the ground. Maybe this'll be the week, I dunno. They've clearly raised the floor, Oregon is probably the best short yardage running team in the conference, the TFL % is way down, but they've castrated the high end of the rushing attack. There's no more bust, but there's no more boom.lawsandl said:
Do you really think the Cougs hold the Ducks to the same rushing output?dtd said:
Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.lawsandl said:
Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.dtd said:
WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Dont be so suredtd said:
Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.DerekJohnson said:Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.
While UW has clearly played superior competition than WSU, statistically, the rush D's aren't much different. Besides, this is all about their QB sitting in a clean pocket slinging it around the field against our idiots in the back 7.
Oregon's 2 deep in the secondary is: So/Fr, Sr/Fr, So/So, and So/Fr. No fucking way we? win this game. This is why the CHOKE against Stanford is so painful. Losing to WSU is okay, they're built to beat us, it was always going to happen. But now we're fucked because the 2nd conference loss is gonna end the season.
This isn't the same strike fear into your opponents's hearts rushing attack. This is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust rushing attack
The rushing attack now can grind against anyone.
Fucking FLY SWEEPS???!!11 -
Rejuvenate. They were down for maybe two years. And historically, last year's 7-5 is a good year to many Quooks. We should have beaten them. 2 of 15. Pathetic!!!
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It's almost like you don't know what you're fucking talking about.dtd said:
Yes you fucking dipshit. It's called a constraint play. Look it up. This offense badly needs one. But why run more of the play that went for 16 yards against Stanford, that'd be stupid.MikeSeaver said:
You want more fly sweeps? Is that what you actually wrote?dtd said:
In a vacuum I don't hate the change, but there is zero creativity. One fly sweep the entire year. One.Mosster47 said:
The ZR system wasn't sustainable long term and it got hammered against teams with good D-lines. The minimal blocking stuff will win you games and put up monster numbers against bad teams. Good teams eat that shit up.dtd said:
Let's normalize for conference games? Maybe it doesn't matter. I stand by everything I said.Mosster47 said:
Aren't we leading the conference in rushing?dtd said:
Oregon rarely breaks big gainers on the ground. Maybe this'll be the week, I dunno. They've clearly raised the floor, Oregon is probably the best short yardage running team in the conference, the TFL % is way down, but they've castrated the high end of the rushing attack. There's no more bust, but there's no more boom.lawsandl said:
Do you really think the Cougs hold the Ducks to the same rushing output?dtd said:
Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.lawsandl said:
Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.dtd said:
WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Dont be so suredtd said:
Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.DerekJohnson said:Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.
While UW has clearly played superior competition than WSU, statistically, the rush D's aren't much different. Besides, this is all about their QB sitting in a clean pocket slinging it around the field against our idiots in the back 7.
Oregon's 2 deep in the secondary is: So/Fr, Sr/Fr, So/So, and So/Fr. No fucking way we? win this game. This is why the CHOKE against Stanford is so painful. Losing to WSU is okay, they're built to beat us, it was always going to happen. But now we're fucked because the 2nd conference loss is gonna end the season.
This isn't the same strike fear into your opponents's hearts rushing attack. This is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust rushing attack
The rushing attack now can grind against anyone.
Fucking FLY SWEEPS???!!11
For every time that fly sweeps work for 16 yards, they also work for three or 4 yard losses. It also tells your O line and running backs that you don't believe in them. What Mario is doing is imposing a fundamental belief in his players that they can overpower the guys in front of them. And that psychology is very fucking important.
I used to be a huge dolphins fans surprise surprise. I remember when they drafted Richmond Webb out of Texas A&M. His nickname at A&M was the hammer, because A&M they almost exclusively ran the ball and he was a very big reason they were successful at it. A downfield mauler.
Fast forward five years with the dolphins, who turned him into a premier left tackle, and while he was a pro bowler at protecting Marino's blind side, he was shit as a run blocker. The whole fucking line was. Why? Because at that time it always seemed to make sense to put the game in Marino's hands. So after what Marino did between 83 and 90, Miami was a past first run afterthought team.
But as Marino's physical ability began to deteriorate, the line of coaches who tried to make Miami and winner again appropriately wanted to establish the run, and have Marino be a part of the offense… Not the entire offense.
Nobody could ever fucking do it. Part of that had to do with Marino's attitude about it; and part of it was that they had a team full of probowl pass protectors who could not transition into doing anything to establish the run game.
Your O line will be what you coach them to be. I'm not saying that you can't have some razzle-dazzle and some transition shit in your play selection. But that kind of shit is like crack, and it seems like the more you do it the more you're going to do it. What Mario is doing with Oregon right now takes a lot of fucking discipline and a lot of ability to tune out people just like you. It's no fun to hand the ball off to a running back and see him get stopped for no gain or pick up only one to 3 yards. But the more you do it, the more successful you are at it, and those carries start to turn into 4 to 6 yard runs per clip late in the third and fourth quarters.
Establishing a straight at you running game is still a recipe for winning football. When you have that, you control tempo, you keep your defense off the field and rested, and you take away your opponent's will. There is nothing worse than knowing that you can't stop the other team from gouging you with straight off tackle running place. And what it does to play action pass is nothing short of miraculous.
