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"Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States"

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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
    PurpleJ said:

    The elite love socialism. Tax the shit out of the middle and upper middle class that are trying to take their spot on top. Buy the votes of the poor with "free" shit that is paid for via reduced earning potential and job creation. That's been the game for years over there.

    Said it better than I did
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    No the top does great regardless. Europe has some of the richest families on earth.

    People in Venezuela finally have an equal distribution of wealth. They don't even have toilet paper but the Chavez daughter has billions of dollars

    Big risk big reward. If you want your future to be secure and settled be ready to settle for less

    The top in Europe does well but gets taxed much more to pay for popular social programs.

    Venezuela! It’s the only socialist country in the world from which to compare.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,774 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited September 2018

    GDP per capita is not a good tool for this comparison. You have to factor in distribution of wealth and how robust the social safety net is.

    In the US GDP distribution is concentrated at the top and our social programs are severely lacking. Most Euros have much more equal distribution of wealth and comprehensive safety nets. This in addition to much stronger workers rights which balance the power of capital and labor.

    How about disposable median income? Kind of destroys your whole point about income disparity.



    Edit: I'll help the leftists out, there's literally only ONE country on there where the adjusted disposable median income is actually WAY HIGHER than the GDP per capita. In other words, the thing you are complaining about on the original chart actually FUCKS your own argument that it's simply GDP being "in the hands of the 1%" and unequally distributed.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club

    No the top does great regardless. Europe has some of the richest families on earth.

    People in Venezuela finally have an equal distribution of wealth. They don't even have toilet paper but the Chavez daughter has billions of dollars

    Big risk big reward. If you want your future to be secure and settled be ready to settle for less

    The top in Europe does well but gets taxed much more to pay for popular social programs.

    Venezuela! It’s the only socialist country in the world from which to compare.
    We can compare any of them and the end result is the same

    Europe has never had the kind of immigration we always have had and are close societies by and large that are now feeling the love from the refugee influx

    They also have us to pay for their defense since the stupid fucks can't go ten years without wiping each other out
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
    If you're going to prop up failed economic models that have led to the death of millions why not Fascism that had the trains run on time or National Socialism that rebuilt Germany?

    I'll tell you why, because your school tries to teach you that the obvious failure and high death toll of socialism or communism were a bug, not a feature

    We have by far the best system for the most people and plenty left over for those who can't fend for themselves including Europe and our system destroyed Nazis, Fascists, and Communists
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,206

    GDP per capita is not a good tool for this comparison. You have to factor in distribution of wealth and how robust the social safety net is.

    In the US GDP distribution is concentrated at the top and our social programs are severely lacking. Most Euros have much more equal distribution of wealth and comprehensive safety nets. This in addition to much stronger workers rights which balance the power of capital and labor.

    Equal distribution of wealth = poorer
    unless you're already pour ... like @YellowSnow
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,206

    No the top does great regardless. Europe has some of the richest families on earth.

    People in Venezuela finally have an equal distribution of wealth. They don't even have toilet paper but the Chavez daughter has billions of dollars

    Big risk big reward. If you want your future to be secure and settled be ready to settle for less

    This is true.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,206
    edited September 2018

    PurpleJ said:

    The elite love socialism. Tax the shit out of the middle and upper middle class that are trying to take their spot on top. Buy the votes of the poor with "free" shit that is paid for via reduced earning potential and job creation. That's been the game for years over there.

    Said it better than I did
    J with the mic drop!!!!!!!!!
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    GDP per capita is not a good tool for this comparison. You have to factor in distribution of wealth and how robust the social safety net is.

    In the US GDP distribution is concentrated at the top and our social programs are severely lacking. Most Euros have much more equal distribution of wealth and comprehensive safety nets. This in addition to much stronger workers rights which balance the power of capital and labor.

    Them's fighting words.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    PurpleJ said:

    The elite love socialism. Tax the shit out of the middle and upper middle class that are trying to take their spot on top. Buy the votes of the poor with "free" shit that is paid for via reduced earning potential and job creation. That's been the game for years over there.

    Elites spent the entirety of the 20th century whipping up nationalism as a response to the rising popularity of socialism in a bid to maintain their privileged status. US elites like the Koch’s, Adelson, Mercers, Uihlein’s, etc. are currently doing exactly this through their dark money projects.

    The Spanish republicans and I shared a laugh at the prospect that societal elites side with leftist causes.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,835 Standard Supporter

    PurpleJ said:

    The elite love socialism. Tax the shit out of the middle and upper middle class that are trying to take their spot on top. Buy the votes of the poor with "free" shit that is paid for via reduced earning potential and job creation. That's been the game for years over there.

    Elites spent the entirety of the 20th century whipping up nationalism as a response to the rising popularity of socialism in a bid to maintain their privileged status. US elites like the Koch’s, Adelson, Mercers, Uihlein’s, etc. are currently doing exactly this through their dark money projects.

    The Spanish republicans and I shared a laugh at the prospect that societal elites side with leftist causes.
    Last I checked Soros was an elite and he pays for socialism shit. It's not going to happen here in America. There are literally people out there who would go to war to prevent it. Lots of them.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited September 2018

    GDP per capita is not a good tool for this comparison. You have to factor in distribution of wealth and how robust the social safety net is.

    In the US GDP distribution is concentrated at the top and our social programs are severely lacking. Most Euros have much more equal distribution of wealth and comprehensive safety nets. This in addition to much stronger workers rights which balance the power of capital and labor.

    US GDP distribution is not concentrated at the top. Check the facts. The “there is no middle class anymore” line is a lie.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    The elite love socialism. Tax the shit out of the middle and upper middle class that are trying to take their spot on top. Buy the votes of the poor with "free" shit that is paid for via reduced earning potential and job creation. That's been the game for years over there.

    Elites spent the entirety of the 20th century whipping up nationalism as a response to the rising popularity of socialism in a bid to maintain their privileged status. US elites like the Koch’s, Adelson, Mercers, Uihlein’s, etc. are currently doing exactly this through their dark money projects.

    The Spanish republicans and I shared a laugh at the prospect that societal elites side with leftist causes.
    Last I checked Soros was an elite and he pays for socialism shit. It's not going to happen here in America. There are literally people out there who would go to war to prevent it. Lots of them.
    No billionaire is going to war over a few percent more in taxes and free medical.

    HTH
  • MisterEmMisterEm Member Posts: 6,685

    PurpleJ said:

    The elite love socialism. Tax the shit out of the middle and upper middle class that are trying to take their spot on top. Buy the votes of the poor with "free" shit that is paid for via reduced earning potential and job creation. That's been the game for years over there.

    Elites spent the entirety of the 20th century whipping up nationalism as a response to the rising popularity of socialism in a bid to maintain their privileged status. US elites like the Koch’s, Adelson, Mercers, Uihlein’s, etc. are currently doing exactly this through their dark money projects.

    The Spanish republicans and I shared a laugh at the prospect that societal elites side with leftist causes.
    Trust fund, academia, NGO, or some sort of affiliated government worker.

    DO SOMETHING!!!11!

    Then you can chime in.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    I read this thing a about a vaGini, or anGini, or Gini Torretta... something.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,396 Founders Club

    GDP per capita is not a good tool for this comparison. You have to factor in distribution of wealth and how robust the social safety net is.

    In the US GDP distribution is concentrated at the top and our social programs are severely lacking. Most Euros have much more equal distribution of wealth and comprehensive safety nets. This in addition to much stronger workers rights which balance the power of capital and labor.

    Equal distribution of wealth = poorer
    unless you're already pour ... like @YellowSnow
    Si Don Creep, Nieve Amarillo es muy pobre.
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