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And here’s a passage from Lee Harris’s Civilization And Its Enemies.


Forgetfulness occurs when those who have been long inured to civilized order can no longer remember a time in which they had to wonder whether their crops would grow to maturity without being stolen or their children sold into slavery by a victorious foe.

They forget that in time of danger, in the face of the Enemy, they must trust and confide in each other, or perish.

They forget, in short, that there has ever been a category of human experience called the Enemy. And that, before 9/11, was what had happened to us. The very concept of the Enemy had been banished from our moral and political vocabulary. An enemy was just a friend we hadn’t done enough for — yet. Or perhaps there had been a misunderstanding, or an oversight on our part — something that we could correct. And this means that that our first task is that we must try to grasp what the concept of the Enemy really means.

The Enemy is someone who is willing to die in order to kill you. And while it is true that the Enemy always hates us for a reason — it is his reason, and not ours.

I’ve mentioned it before, but it bears repeating today.

One thing I guess I didn’t believe 17 years ago is that America would elect such a feckless President in 2008, and stand idly by while he flushed our global position, and security, down a left-wing toilet. But we did, and we’ll be paying the price for a long time.

God bless America. We need it.

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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    The biggest toilet flushing of our national security interests did not occur during the Obama administration. Rather, this happened in 2003 and were it not for this FS decision, Obama would never have been elected. Worst ROI for our country since 'Nam.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,750
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    The biggest toilet flushing of our national security interests did not occur during the Obama administration. Rather, this happened in 2003 and were it not for this FS decision, Obama would never have been elected. Worst ROI for our country since 'Nam.

    But we ran out of hard targets in Afghanistan. So tell me Mr Smartie, what else COULD the military industrial complex do to further capitalize on the mass fear of its citizenry to maximize revenue???
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    salemcoog said:

    The biggest toilet flushing of our national security interests did not occur during the Obama administration. Rather, this happened in 2003 and were it not for this FS decision, Obama would never have been elected. Worst ROI for our country since 'Nam.

    But we ran out of hard targets in Afghanistan. So tell me Mr Smartie, what else COULD the military industrial complex do to further capitalize on the mass fear of its citizenry to maximize revenue???
    We bombed the wrong country at the wrong time. We should have left Iraq alone and gave Iran and offer they couldn't refuse.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
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    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,750
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    salemcoog said:

    The biggest toilet flushing of our national security interests did not occur during the Obama administration. Rather, this happened in 2003 and were it not for this FS decision, Obama would never have been elected. Worst ROI for our country since 'Nam.

    But we ran out of hard targets in Afghanistan. So tell me Mr Smartie, what else COULD the military industrial complex do to further capitalize on the mass fear of its citizenry to maximize revenue???
    We bombed the wrong country at the wrong time. We should have left Iraq alone and gave Iran and offer they couldn't refuse.
    Or.... we could have just left Iraq alone, period. No need to make any deals with Iran.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
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    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    Obama didn't do shit right in Afghanistan. Has anyone here supported Obama's actions there?
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 33,796
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    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    The biggest toilet flushing of our national security interests did not occur during the Obama administration. Rather, this happened in 2003 and were it not for this FS decision, Obama would never have been elected. Worst ROI for our country since 'Nam.

    But we ran out of hard targets in Afghanistan. So tell me Mr Smartie, what else COULD the military industrial complex do to further capitalize on the mass fear of its citizenry to maximize revenue???
    We bombed the wrong country at the wrong time. We should have left Iraq alone and gave Iran and offer they couldn't refuse.
    Or.... we could have just left Iraq alone, period. No need to make any deals with Iran.
    Yes, that's what I said. We had no leverage in dealing with Iran on nukes because the Ayatollahs knew we blew our wad in Iraq. Keeping one's powder dry for the right fight is of the utmost importance in international affairs.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
    Actually, Obama was entirely cynical about Afghanistan and used it during the campaign as a prop so that he couldn't be accused of being anti-war. He never followed through on any of his promises there and given the fact that he refused to give the generals the number of troops they requested and restricted the troops we did have there with completely ridiculous Rules of Engagement that got a number of our guys killed there. He was never going to really fight that war they way he claimed he was going to do.

    And my response wasn't so much about "Obama's actions" as it was about the stupid fucking liberals who voted for him and repeated his bullshit about the "real" WOT.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
    Actually, Obama was entirely cynical about Afghanistan and used it during the campaign as a prop so that he couldn't be accused of being anti-war. He never followed through on any of his promises there and given the fact that he refused to give the generals the number of troops they requested and restricted the troops we did have there with completely ridiculous Rules of Engagement that got a number of our guys killed there. He was never going to really fight that war they way he claimed he was going to do.

    And my response wasn't so much about "Obama's actions" as it was about the stupid fucking liberals who voted for him and repeated his bullshit about the "real" WOT.
    Ah if Obama had only given the big tough righteous military men even more troops and didn’t impose so many damn rules then we surely would have won. Just like Vietnam.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,699
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
    Actually, Obama was entirely cynical about Afghanistan and used it during the campaign as a prop so that he couldn't be accused of being anti-war. He never followed through on any of his promises there and given the fact that he refused to give the generals the number of troops they requested and restricted the troops we did have there with completely ridiculous Rules of Engagement that got a number of our guys killed there. He was never going to really fight that war they way he claimed he was going to do.

    And my response wasn't so much about "Obama's actions" as it was about the stupid fucking liberals who voted for him and repeated his bullshit about the "real" WOT.
    Ah if Obama had only given the big tough righteous military men even more troops and didn’t impose so many damn rules then we surely would have won. Just like Vietnam.
    Obama got more troops killed than Bush which makes those rules kind of important

    If you aren't going to fight then go home

    And we aren't going to fight so no more war
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
    Actually, Obama was entirely cynical about Afghanistan and used it during the campaign as a prop so that he couldn't be accused of being anti-war. He never followed through on any of his promises there and given the fact that he refused to give the generals the number of troops they requested and restricted the troops we did have there with completely ridiculous Rules of Engagement that got a number of our guys killed there. He was never going to really fight that war they way he claimed he was going to do.

    And my response wasn't so much about "Obama's actions" as it was about the stupid fucking liberals who voted for him and repeated his bullshit about the "real" WOT.
    Ah if Obama had only given the big tough righteous military men even more troops and didn’t impose so many damn rules then we surely would have won. Just like Vietnam.
    The strawman's ass gets fucked.

    Obama was the one who criticized Bush for taking his eye off the ball in Afghanistan in order to fight in Iraq, and who promised to kick some ass in the "real" war on terrorism when he took office.

    Now he was lying the entire time. I just found it funny that his idiot supporters believed him and used to mouth the very same bullshit he was spreading. Obama never had any intention of fighting and winning in Afghanistan.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
    Actually, Obama was entirely cynical about Afghanistan and used it during the campaign as a prop so that he couldn't be accused of being anti-war. He never followed through on any of his promises there and given the fact that he refused to give the generals the number of troops they requested and restricted the troops we did have there with completely ridiculous Rules of Engagement that got a number of our guys killed there. He was never going to really fight that war they way he claimed he was going to do.

    And my response wasn't so much about "Obama's actions" as it was about the stupid fucking liberals who voted for him and repeated his bullshit about the "real" WOT.
    Ah if Obama had only given the big tough righteous military men even more troops and didn’t impose so many damn rules then we surely would have won. Just like Vietnam.
    The strawman's ass gets fucked.

    Obama was the one who criticized Bush for taking his eye off the ball in Afghanistan in order to fight in Iraq, and who promised to kick some ass in the "real" war on terrorism when he took office.

    Now he was lying the entire time. I just found it funny that his idiot supporters believed him and used to mouth the very same bullshit he was spreading. Obama never had any intention of fighting and winning in Afghanistan.
    Your homoerotic fetish just got weird.

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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,699
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
    Actually, Obama was entirely cynical about Afghanistan and used it during the campaign as a prop so that he couldn't be accused of being anti-war. He never followed through on any of his promises there and given the fact that he refused to give the generals the number of troops they requested and restricted the troops we did have there with completely ridiculous Rules of Engagement that got a number of our guys killed there. He was never going to really fight that war they way he claimed he was going to do.

    And my response wasn't so much about "Obama's actions" as it was about the stupid fucking liberals who voted for him and repeated his bullshit about the "real" WOT.
    Ah if Obama had only given the big tough righteous military men even more troops and didn’t impose so many damn rules then we surely would have won. Just like Vietnam.
    The strawman's ass gets fucked.

    Obama was the one who criticized Bush for taking his eye off the ball in Afghanistan in order to fight in Iraq, and who promised to kick some ass in the "real" war on terrorism when he took office.

    Now he was lying the entire time. I just found it funny that his idiot supporters believed him and used to mouth the very same bullshit he was spreading. Obama never had any intention of fighting and winning in Afghanistan.
    Your homoerotic fetish just got weird.

    photo FCDDD854-5EC3-4853-86B7-B9C423C276D9_zpskvki3gvf.gif
    Ironic coming from "trump dick sucker hondo"
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,104
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
    Actually, Obama was entirely cynical about Afghanistan and used it during the campaign as a prop so that he couldn't be accused of being anti-war. He never followed through on any of his promises there and given the fact that he refused to give the generals the number of troops they requested and restricted the troops we did have there with completely ridiculous Rules of Engagement that got a number of our guys killed there. He was never going to really fight that war they way he claimed he was going to do.

    And my response wasn't so much about "Obama's actions" as it was about the stupid fucking liberals who voted for him and repeated his bullshit about the "real" WOT.
    Ah if Obama had only given the big tough righteous military men even more troops and didn’t impose so many damn rules then we surely would have won. Just like Vietnam.
    Obama got more troops killed than Bush which makes those rules kind of important

    If you aren't going to fight then go home

    And we aren't going to fight so no more war
    Are you talking about Afghanistan specifically? Because more than twice as many military deaths occurred under Bush when you look at both wars.
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Someone born on 9/11 can now enlist to go fight and die in our unwinnable war in Afghanistan. God bless America indeed...

    I'm old enough to remember when liberals used to claim that Afghanistan was where the "real" WOT was at and how when Obama took office he was going to finally kick some real ass there unlike that cowboy Bush who took his eye off the ball.
    We covered this in an earlier thread about Obama using Afghanistan for campaign reasons in ‘08, and that he was actually naive enough to follow through with it. Do you need someone to take you in to the vinyl repair shop? Can’t wait to see which other lines are regurgitated.
    Actually, Obama was entirely cynical about Afghanistan and used it during the campaign as a prop so that he couldn't be accused of being anti-war. He never followed through on any of his promises there and given the fact that he refused to give the generals the number of troops they requested and restricted the troops we did have there with completely ridiculous Rules of Engagement that got a number of our guys killed there. He was never going to really fight that war they way he claimed he was going to do.

    And my response wasn't so much about "Obama's actions" as it was about the stupid fucking liberals who voted for him and repeated his bullshit about the "real" WOT.
    Ah if Obama had only given the big tough righteous military men even more troops and didn’t impose so many damn rules then we surely would have won. Just like Vietnam.
    Obama got more troops killed than Bush which makes those rules kind of important

    If you aren't going to fight then go home

    And we aren't going to fight so no more war
    Another one of the things Trump did almost immediately after taking office was to remove the restrictive Rules of Engagement that were imposed by General Obama.
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