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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,838 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    Long term with Obunghole care it was even more. Thanks for reminding us what a totally worthless piece of shit he was.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    So was it Bush or Trump? Why wouldn't Obama get the blame?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    So was it Bush or Trump? Why wouldn't Obama get the blame?
    Both. And Congress. Both Republican and Democrat. The wars and Medicare part D cost a shit ton. Obama had the $800 billion stimulus. A lot of the rest was reduced revenues from tax cuts and recession.

    Need more information?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

    Bookmark it. I'm talking direct actions. And the trend of deficits was reducing when Trump took over. He turned that into increasing deficits. While at the same time growing the economy. I can also point to a direct action of increasing the military budget $80 billion and $26 billion to Farmers. What's your point?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

    Bookmark it. I'm talking direct actions. And the trend of deficits was reducing when Trump took over. He turned that into increasing deficits. While at the same time growing the economy. I can also point to a direct action of increasing the military budget $80 billion and $26 billion to Farmers. What's your point?

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

    Bookmark it. I'm talking direct actions. And the trend of deficits was reducing when Trump took over. He turned that into increasing deficits. While at the same time growing the economy. I can also point to a direct action of increasing the military budget $80 billion and $26 billion to Farmers. What's your point?

    This is when you know you lost the argument.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    HondoFS is right...it was only $9.3 trillion (and a bunch of legislation that will add more...)
    2001400ex said:

    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

    Bookmark it. I'm talking direct actions. And the trend of deficits was reducing when Trump took over. He turned that into increasing deficits. While at the same time growing the economy. I can also point to a direct action of increasing the military budget $80 billion and $26 billion to Farmers. What's your point?
    You lie almost as well as BearsDontWin...they went up the last 2 years of Obama.

    But still...
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    HondoFS is right...it was only $9.3 trillion (and a bunch of legislation that will add more...)
    2001400ex said:

    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

    Bookmark it. I'm talking direct actions. And the trend of deficits was reducing when Trump took over. He turned that into increasing deficits. While at the same time growing the economy. I can also point to a direct action of increasing the military budget $80 billion and $26 billion to Farmers. What's your point?
    You lie almost as well as BearsDontWin...they went up the last 2 years of Obama.

    But still...
    That technically it's correct. Lowest year was 15. 16 and 17 were higher. And 17, even tho 8 months under Trump, was Obama's last budget.

    That being said, you can't have it both ways. You are blaming Obama for 09 and it's $1.4 trillion deficit (Bush's last budget) AND blaming Obama for 17.
  • BaphometBaphomet Member Posts: 1,511
    The majority of that GDP growth is book sales by Trump's former aids and associates writing about what a fucking idiot he is.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    It’s not just technically correct, it’s all the way correct. And keep moving the goalposts...
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    It’s not just technically correct, it’s all the way correct. And keep moving the goalposts...

    Didn't figure you'd address my second paragraph.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    So was it Bush or Trump? Why wouldn't Obama get the blame?
    Both. And Congress. Both Republican and Democrat. The wars and Medicare part D cost a shit ton. Obama had the $800 billion stimulus. A lot of the rest was reduced revenues from tax cuts and recession.

    Need more information?
    Absolute bullshit. In 2008, the total Federal expenditures for the year were $2.9 trillion and every conservative I knew was pissed about Bush's spending the budget deficit for FY 2008 was $458 billion. TARP and Obama stimulus spending boosted the FY 2009 budget to $3.5 trillion and a budget deficit of $1.4 trillion. If you look at the baseline budget spending from that year going forward despite the fact that both TARP and the Stimulus fraud were supposed to be single year budget items, spending after FY 2009 maintained almost the same level.

    Total expenditures for FY 2010 were $3.4 trillion with a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit.

    For FY $3.6 Trillion in expenditures and a budget deficit of $1.6 trillion Spending and our debt exploded under Obama. His first year in office he goosed federal spending by over a trillion dollars a year and he maintained that level of spending for every year after despite the fact that two of the biggest budget items in 2009 were supposed to be single year expenditures.

    All of Obama deficit "reductions" came from just maintaining the existing level of spending while increasing taxes and the increasing revenue from an anemic economy,

  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    2001400ex said:

    It’s not just technically correct, it’s all the way correct. And keep moving the goalposts...

    You caught me lying, now answer my next FS thought
    HondoFS...

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    HondoFS is right...it was only $9.3 trillion (and a bunch of legislation that will add more...)
    2001400ex said:

    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

    Bookmark it. I'm talking direct actions. And the trend of deficits was reducing when Trump took over. He turned that into increasing deficits. While at the same time growing the economy. I can also point to a direct action of increasing the military budget $80 billion and $26 billion to Farmers. What's your point?
    You lie almost as well as BearsDontWin...they went up the last 2 years of Obama.

    But still...
    That technically it's correct. Lowest year was 15. 16 and 17 were higher. And 17, even tho 8 months under Trump, was Obama's last budget.

    That being said, you can't have it both ways. You are blaming Obama for 09 and it's $1.4 trillion deficit (Bush's last budget) AND blaming Obama for 17.
    The biggest additions to the 2009 budget deficit were TARP and the stimulus fraud. Which of those did Obama oppose? I'll spare you the mystery short bus; Neither.

    Now why shouldn't Obama get blame for a budget deficit that was driven mainly by two polices he supported and one he signed into law?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    HondoFS is right...it was only $9.3 trillion (and a bunch of legislation that will add more...)
    2001400ex said:

    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

    Bookmark it. I'm talking direct actions. And the trend of deficits was reducing when Trump took over. He turned that into increasing deficits. While at the same time growing the economy. I can also point to a direct action of increasing the military budget $80 billion and $26 billion to Farmers. What's your point?
    You lie almost as well as BearsDontWin...they went up the last 2 years of Obama.

    But still...
    That technically it's correct. Lowest year was 15. 16 and 17 were higher. And 17, even tho 8 months under Trump, was Obama's last budget.

    That being said, you can't have it both ways. You are blaming Obama for 09 and it's $1.4 trillion deficit (Bush's last budget) AND blaming Obama for 17.
    The biggest additions to the 2009 budget deficit were TARP and the stimulus fraud. Which of those did Obama oppose? I'll spare you the mystery short bus; Neither.

    Now why shouldn't Obama get blame for a budget deficit that was driven mainly by two polices he supported and one he signed into law?
    Tarp was Bush. Democrats pushed back and said we need more time. Bush said no, pass this. And the vast majority was spent in 2009. The stimulus however was in March of 09 and less than $50 billion was spent my the end of 09. Remember the discussion on "shovel ready projects"?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    So was it Bush or Trump? Why wouldn't Obama get the blame?
    Both. And Congress. Both Republican and Democrat. The wars and Medicare part D cost a shit ton. Obama had the $800 billion stimulus. A lot of the rest was reduced revenues from tax cuts and recession.

    Need more information?
    Absolute bullshit. In 2008, the total Federal expenditures for the year were $2.9 trillion and every conservative I knew was pissed about Bush's spending the budget deficit for FY 2008 was $458 billion. TARP and Obama stimulus spending boosted the FY 2009 budget to $3.5 trillion and a budget deficit of $1.4 trillion. If you look at the baseline budget spending from that year going forward despite the fact that both TARP and the Stimulus fraud were supposed to be single year budget items, spending after FY 2009 maintained almost the same level.

    Total expenditures for FY 2010 were $3.4 trillion with a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit.

    For FY $3.6 Trillion in expenditures and a budget deficit of $1.6 trillion Spending and our debt exploded under Obama. His first year in office he goosed federal spending by over a trillion dollars a year and he maintained that level of spending for every year after despite the fact that two of the biggest budget items in 2009 were supposed to be single year expenditures.

    All of Obama deficit "reductions" came from just maintaining the existing level of spending while increasing taxes and the increasing revenue from an anemic economy,

    While your numbers are mostly correct. Your analysis is fucked up. What do you think happens to entitlement spending when we have a severe recession? Do you think that had any effect on spending?

    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/federal-receipt-and-outlay-summary

    Hire did Obama goose spending by a trillion?? Fuck you are dumb.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    HondoFS is right...it was only $9.3 trillion (and a bunch of legislation that will add more...)
    2001400ex said:

    I'll just keep this in mind tomorrow when you blame Trump and his tax cuts for the debt or deficit

    Bookmark it. I'm talking direct actions. And the trend of deficits was reducing when Trump took over. He turned that into increasing deficits. While at the same time growing the economy. I can also point to a direct action of increasing the military budget $80 billion and $26 billion to Farmers. What's your point?
    You lie almost as well as BearsDontWin...they went up the last 2 years of Obama.

    But still...
    That technically it's correct. Lowest year was 15. 16 and 17 were higher. And 17, even tho 8 months under Trump, was Obama's last budget.

    That being said, you can't have it both ways. You are blaming Obama for 09 and it's $1.4 trillion deficit (Bush's last budget) AND blaming Obama for 17.
    The biggest additions to the 2009 budget deficit were TARP and the stimulus fraud. Which of those did Obama oppose? I'll spare you the mystery short bus; Neither.

    Now why shouldn't Obama get blame for a budget deficit that was driven mainly by two polices he supported and one he signed into law?
    Tarp was Bush. Democrats pushed back and said we need more time. Bush said no, pass this. And the vast majority was spent in 2009. The stimulus however was in March of 09 and less than $50 billion was spent my the end of 09. Remember the discussion on "shovel ready projects"?
    What was spent and what was allocated aren't quite the same thing now are they short bus? Did Obama oppose TARP? More Republicans opposed TARP than did Rats so why are you blaming Bush?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    So was it Bush or Trump? Why wouldn't Obama get the blame?
    Both. And Congress. Both Republican and Democrat. The wars and Medicare part D cost a shit ton. Obama had the $800 billion stimulus. A lot of the rest was reduced revenues from tax cuts and recession.

    Need more information?
    Absolute bullshit. In 2008, the total Federal expenditures for the year were $2.9 trillion and every conservative I knew was pissed about Bush's spending the budget deficit for FY 2008 was $458 billion. TARP and Obama stimulus spending boosted the FY 2009 budget to $3.5 trillion and a budget deficit of $1.4 trillion. If you look at the baseline budget spending from that year going forward despite the fact that both TARP and the Stimulus fraud were supposed to be single year budget items, spending after FY 2009 maintained almost the same level.

    Total expenditures for FY 2010 were $3.4 trillion with a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit.

    For FY $3.6 Trillion in expenditures and a budget deficit of $1.6 trillion Spending and our debt exploded under Obama. His first year in office he goosed federal spending by over a trillion dollars a year and he maintained that level of spending for every year after despite the fact that two of the biggest budget items in 2009 were supposed to be single year expenditures.

    All of Obama deficit "reductions" came from just maintaining the existing level of spending while increasing taxes and the increasing revenue from an anemic economy,

    While your numbers are mostly correct. Your analysis is fucked up. What do you think happens to entitlement spending when we have a severe recession? Do you think that had any effect on spending?

    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/federal-receipt-and-outlay-summary

    Hire did Obama goose spending by a trillion?? Fuck you are dumb.
    He signed into law a Stimulus fraud that added nearly $800 Billion in spending and he voted in favor of TARP.

    Try to pay attention short bus.

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Baseman said:

    2nd quarter growth at 4.2%—Great

    What’s the effect on the deficit as a % of GDP? Awesome if we see a decline. The other way, not so much. I dunno...anyone?

    So anemic growth for 8 years is cool as long as you only add 10 trillion to the debt?

    But over 4% growth is bad.

    Welcome to Bizarre World
    I chuckle at the bizarre world comment in the same comment where you blame 10 trillion on the prior administration.
    So was it Bush or Trump? Why wouldn't Obama get the blame?
    Both. And Congress. Both Republican and Democrat. The wars and Medicare part D cost a shit ton. Obama had the $800 billion stimulus. A lot of the rest was reduced revenues from tax cuts and recession.

    Need more information?
    Absolute bullshit. In 2008, the total Federal expenditures for the year were $2.9 trillion and every conservative I knew was pissed about Bush's spending the budget deficit for FY 2008 was $458 billion. TARP and Obama stimulus spending boosted the FY 2009 budget to $3.5 trillion and a budget deficit of $1.4 trillion. If you look at the baseline budget spending from that year going forward despite the fact that both TARP and the Stimulus fraud were supposed to be single year budget items, spending after FY 2009 maintained almost the same level.

    Total expenditures for FY 2010 were $3.4 trillion with a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit.

    For FY $3.6 Trillion in expenditures and a budget deficit of $1.6 trillion Spending and our debt exploded under Obama. His first year in office he goosed federal spending by over a trillion dollars a year and he maintained that level of spending for every year after despite the fact that two of the biggest budget items in 2009 were supposed to be single year expenditures.

    All of Obama deficit "reductions" came from just maintaining the existing level of spending while increasing taxes and the increasing revenue from an anemic economy,

    While your numbers are mostly correct. Your analysis is fucked up. What do you think happens to entitlement spending when we have a severe recession? Do you think that had any effect on spending?

    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/federal-receipt-and-outlay-summary

    Hire did Obama goose spending by a trillion?? Fuck you are dumb.
    You mean the "analysis" you failed to lay a glove on?
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