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The School Shootings That Weren't

GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
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The School Shootings That Weren't

How many times per year does a gun go off in an American school?

We should know. But we don't.

This spring the U.S. Education Department reported that in the 2015-2016 school year, "nearly 240 schools ... reported at least 1 incident involving a school-related shooting." The number is far higher than most other estimates.

But NPR reached out to every one of those schools repeatedly over the course of three months and found that more than two-thirds of these reported incidents never happened. Child Trends, a nonpartisan nonprofit research organization, assisted NPR in analyzing data from the government's Civil Rights Data Collection.

We were able to confirm just 11 reported incidents, either directly with schools or through media reports.

In 161 cases, schools or districts attested that no incident took place or couldn't confirm one. In at least four cases, we found, something did happen, but it didn't meet the government's parameters for a shooting. About a quarter of schools didn't respond to our inquiries.

"When we're talking about such an important and rare event, [this] amount of data error could be very meaningful," says Deborah Temkin, a researcher and program director at Child Trends.


For example, the CRDC reports 26 shootings within the Ventura Unified School District in Southern California.

"I think someone pushed the wrong button," said Jeff Davis, an assistant superintendent there. The outgoing superintendent, Joe Richards, "has been here for almost 30 years and he doesn't remember any shooting," Davis added. "We are in this weird vortex of what's on this screen and what reality is."


That's some good reporting. I'm glad someone had a critical eye on the numbers.
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  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    It’s too bad that school shootings are even a statistic that needs investigation.
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  • phineasphineas Member Posts: 4,732
    Fake news. Trump is covering these school shootings up. He doesnt care about the kids.
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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,838 Standard Supporter
    They count anything that happens close to a school. When you live in shit town with shit people they don't care if they commit crimes near a school. But counting stuff that isn't actually at the school is the liberals way of fudging numbers for political purposes.
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    They count anything that happens close to a school. When you live in shit town with shit people they don't care if they commit crimes near a school. But counting stuff that isn't actually at the school is the liberals way of fudging numbers for political purposes.

    Read the article. The number is less the result of an agenda than really shitty survey design, data collection, and quality control.

    Agendas come in after.
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  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Sledog said:

    They count anything that happens close to a school. When you live in shit town with shit people they don't care if they commit crimes near a school. But counting stuff that isn't actually at the school is the liberals way of fudging numbers for political purposes.

    Thud
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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,838 Standard Supporter
    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    They count anything that happens close to a school. When you live in shit town with shit people they don't care if they commit crimes near a school. But counting stuff that isn't actually at the school is the liberals way of fudging numbers for political purposes.

    Thud
    Figures never lie but liars figure.
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    The US Education Department in 2015-2016. Gosh, now who was the Executive in charge of that Department during that time frame? Odd that an agency under his control would produce such fraudulent numbers in order to advance their agenda.
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2018
    SFGbob said:

    The US Education Department in 2015-2016. Gosh, now who was the Executive in charge of that Department during that time frame? Odd that an agency under his control would produce such fraudulent numbers in order to advance their agenda.

    Pressing. The article doesn't explicitly say when the survey was conducted, but the period for which it was requesting data was school year 2015-16. This paragraph seem to indicate the survey collection began June 2017.
    "The CRDC accepts correction requests for up to one year from the moment the submission period opens. For the 2015-16 collection, the corrections period closed on June 30, 2018, and for this reason your data correction request cannot be accepted. However, a data note will be included on the data file to ensure users are aware of the errors you are reporting."


    Again, the faulty numbers are due less to agenda and more to general government incompetence. Those with agendas will use the shitty numbers.
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    SFGbob said:

    The US Education Department in 2015-2016. Gosh, now who was the Executive in charge of that Department during that time frame? Odd that an agency under his control would produce such fraudulent numbers in order to advance their agenda.

    Pressing. The article doesn't explicitly say when the survey was conducted, but the period for which it was requesting data was school year 2015-16. This paragraph seem to indicate the survey collection began June 2017.
    "The CRDC accepts correction requests for up to one year from the moment the submission period opens. For the 2015-16 collection, the corrections period closed on June 30, 2018, and for this reason your data correction request cannot be accepted. However, a data note will be included on the data file to ensure users are aware of the errors you are reporting."


    Again, the faulty numbers are due less to agenda and more to general government incompetence. Those with agendas will use the shitty numbers.
    Curious how the "shitty numbers" almost always favor the Rat party's policy positions.
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  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    SFGbob said:

    The US Education Department in 2015-2016. Gosh, now who was the Executive in charge of that Department during that time frame? Odd that an agency under his control would produce such fraudulent numbers in order to advance their agenda.

    Pressing. The article doesn't explicitly say when the survey was conducted, but the period for which it was requesting data was school year 2015-16. This paragraph seem to indicate the survey collection began June 2017.
    "The CRDC accepts correction requests for up to one year from the moment the submission period opens. For the 2015-16 collection, the corrections period closed on June 30, 2018, and for this reason your data correction request cannot be accepted. However, a data note will be included on the data file to ensure users are aware of the errors you are reporting."


    Again, the faulty numbers are due less to agenda and more to general government incompetence. Those with agendas will use the shitty numbers.
    Curious how the "shitty numbers" almost always favor the Rat party's policy positions.
    In this case, you have the Trump administration to blame.
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  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Sledog said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    They count anything that happens close to a school. When you live in shit town with shit people they don't care if they commit crimes near a school. But counting stuff that isn't actually at the school is the liberals way of fudging numbers for political purposes.

    Thud
    Figures never lie but liars figure.
    You are a living cliche.
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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    SFGbob said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    SFGbob said:

    The US Education Department in 2015-2016. Gosh, now who was the Executive in charge of that Department during that time frame? Odd that an agency under his control would produce such fraudulent numbers in order to advance their agenda.

    Pressing. The article doesn't explicitly say when the survey was conducted, but the period for which it was requesting data was school year 2015-16. This paragraph seem to indicate the survey collection began June 2017.
    "The CRDC accepts correction requests for up to one year from the moment the submission period opens. For the 2015-16 collection, the corrections period closed on June 30, 2018, and for this reason your data correction request cannot be accepted. However, a data note will be included on the data file to ensure users are aware of the errors you are reporting."


    Again, the faulty numbers are due less to agenda and more to general government incompetence. Those with agendas will use the shitty numbers.
    Curious how the "shitty numbers" almost always favor the Rat party's policy positions.
    In this case, you have the Trump administration to blame.
    gRUNDLE STOP!!!

    Trump does no wrong.
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