Wilcox myth of the day

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Wilcox has allowed 40+ 6 times in his first 23 games as DC, 50+ 3 times.

Holt allowed 40+ 6 times in his first 23 games as DC, 50+ 2 times

For all this talk Doogs say about keeping Sark because he hired a "great" defensive staff well the facts don't really bear that out.

Holt gave up more points but also didn't get the benefit of facing Portland State, Idaho State or a pathetic Cal/Colorado(he did face 2009 WSU which is on that par).

Basically the difference between Wilcox and Holt isn't as big as Doogs think.

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It's because one is a bald freak and the other is stoic.

Doogs only see the surface.

TierbsHsotBoobs

Washington is 51st in total defense and 45th in scoring defense.

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CollegeDoog said:

It's because one is a bald freak and the other is stoic.

Doogs only see the surface.

Disagree it's because one is fired and the other is employed.

Doogs loved Holt's "Fire" and "passion" until he was fired.

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TierbsHsotBoobs said:

Washington is 51st in total defense and 45th in scoring defense.

That's with the benefit of playing three Big Sky schools.

TierbsHsotBoobs

CollegeDoog said:

It's because one is a bald freak and the other is stoic.

Doogs only see the surface.

If we're going to bash bald freaks I'm OUT

The_Undertaker

I feel like Wilcox has been screwed by Sarks offense (turnovers, short field, up-tempo resulting in quick 3 and outs) more than Holt was. But I don't have any stats backing that up.

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This post wasn't meant to bash on Wilcox. It was to show that firing the coordinator while ignoring the real problem is fucking retarded.

The Dallas Cowboys did that and their defense has gotten worse.

Wilcox is an average DC and Sark is a below average OC and head coach. The only guy on his staff ever worth a shit chose to leave(Nuss).

dhdawg

He_Needs_More_Time said:

This post wasn't meant to bash on Wilcox. It was to show that firing the coordinator while ignoring the real problem is fucking retarded.

The Dallas Cowboys did that and their defense has gotten worse.

Wilcox is an average DC and Sark is a below average OC and head coach. The only guy on his staff ever worth a shit chose to leave(Nuss).

that's exactly why we'll do it. We'll fire the coordinator, ignore the HC (who's the real problem)
we are the dallas cowboys. The cowboys are something like 20-4 against shit tier teams the last 5 years and 4-20 against good teams. Sound familiar?

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dhdawg said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

This post wasn't meant to bash on Wilcox. It was to show that firing the coordinator while ignoring the real problem is fucking retarded.

The Dallas Cowboys did that and their defense has gotten worse.

Wilcox is an average DC and Sark is a below average OC and head coach. The only guy on his staff ever worth a shit chose to leave(Nuss).

that's exactly why we'll do it. We'll fire the coordinator, ignore the HC (who's the real problem)
we are the dallas cowboys. The cowboys are something like 20-4 against shit tier teams under the last 5 years and 4-20 against good teams. Sound familiar?

http://hardcorehusky.com/forums/#/discussion/4876/huskies-dallas-cowboys

I compared the Huskies to the Cowboys last night in fact. Very eerily similar.

priapism

You have to admit tho that scoring has been going up steadily in the past decade with the spread of the spread O:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/stats/byteam?cat1=offense&cat2=Total&sort=537&conference=I-A_PAC12&year=2012

Spread O is here to stay for awhile IMO. Good CBs are worth their weight in cash-filled, fruit baskets.

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priapism said:

You have to admit tho that scoring has been going up steadily in the past decade with the spread of the spread O:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/stats/byteam?cat1=offense&cat2=Total&sort=537&conference=I-A_PAC12&year=2012

Spread O is here to stay for awhile IMO. Good CBs are worth their weight in cash-filled, fruit baskets.

I compared Wilcox to Holt who is roughly the same fucking era don't get your point.

Also just brought them up to show the fire the coordinator trick still doesn't fuck work.

priapism

Scoring is up, even in the last 4 years.

HeretoBeatmyChest

Yards per play is what you need to look at and the D is 25th. Bottom line is Wilcox is now irrelevant in the conversation about firing Sark.

I would like to see the new coach keep Heyward & Tosh. I know some disagree but Tosh is single handily keeping recruiting alive since Sark/Nansen fucked up our in-state base. Tosh pulled in a great DL class last year and already has a few soft commits for 2015. The JC guy Claude Pelon is a UW lean right now and could probably start next to Shelton. Could you imagine Tosh recruiting on Mora's staff?

[Deleted User]

Again this isn't to bash on Wilcox but I keep seeing tweets "You can't fire Sark! He has a great staff in place! He hired Wilcox which was a great hire!"

Just showing Wilcox isn't so great as a reason to retain Sark.

Far as I'm concerned if the new coach wants to fire Tosh I wouldn't mind either. I think he's overrated.

priapism

Prob a good idea to keep Tosh - he seems to be able to get the guys he targets, minus Vanderdoes. There's most likely a valid reason why UW is recruiting McGary as a DE. Cozetto is a POS.
http://247sports.com/Player/Kaleb-McGary-19965

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priapism said:

Prob a good idea to keep Tosh - he seems to be able to get the guys he targets, minus Vanderdoes. There's most likely a valid reason why UW is recruiting McGary as a DE. Cozetto is a POS.
http://247sports.com/Player/Kaleb-McGary-19965

I don't know how Doogs are going to justify losing Baker and McGary. I'm sure they'll come up with something.

Doogs always have a fresh excuse as to why you can't expect UW to land hometown player X.

HeretoBeatmyChest

We know Budda is gone. Losing McGary should be the icing on the cake for firing Sark. We are so pathetic that doogs & pool boy will gloss over it.

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HeretoBeatmyChest said:

We know Budda is gone. Losing McGary should be the icing on the cake for firing Sark. We are so pathetic that doogs & pool boy will gloss over it.

Doogs will have an excuse though for both. "Sark thought McGary was a DE, he wanted to play OL. You can't blame a kid for choosing a school where he can play offense".

As for Baker "Well the recruiting is different now. You can't expect to beat out a top tier program like Oregon who is so flashy for a kid like Baker. Oregon built it the right way with stability our day will come!".

I wish my comments were sarcastic but it will be close to actual Doog quotes come February.

RoadDawg55

I will admit I was a too high on Wilcox. He's average. I think with a good head coach he is a good coach with a great work ethic, but he hasn't shown any consistent signs of greatness.

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RoadDawg55 said:

I will admit I was a too high on Wilcox. He's average. I think with a good head coach he is a good coach with a great work ethic, but he hasn't shown any consistent signs of greatness.

This comes off as me bashing Wilcox but it is to show that the myth that we should keep Sark because of Wilcox is fucking stupid.

The coaching change for DC was some improvement but not much.