The Russians

creepycoug

Remember Patton's words:

"The Third Army alone, and with damn few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them, and it will take six years and cost 6 million lives."

He also thought them to be less European, and more Asiatic, and therefore offered that the Russian "thinks deviously."

My personal favorite:

"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."

As an ethnic German, why does Trump love the Russians so much? Doesn't he believe Patton?

YellowSnow

Dang greasy Slavs

PurpleThrobber

creepycoug said:

Remember Patton's words:

"The Third Army alone, and with damn few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them, and it will take six years and cost 6 million lives."

He also thought them to be less European, and more Asiatic, and therefore offered that the Russian "thinks deviously."

My personal favorite:

"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."

As an ethnic German, why does Trump love the Russians so much? Doesn't he believe Patton?

You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"

Mosster47

PurpleThrobber said:

creepycoug said:

Remember Patton's words:

"The Third Army alone, and with damn few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them, and it will take six years and cost 6 million lives."

He also thought them to be less European, and more Asiatic, and therefore offered that the Russian "thinks deviously."

My personal favorite:

"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."

As an ethnic German, why does Trump love the Russians so much? Doesn't he believe Patton?

You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"

We've all played Risk. It's impossible to hold Asia. You're everyone's card trade.

2001400ex

Mosster47 said:

PurpleThrobber said:

creepycoug said:

Remember Patton's words:

"The Third Army alone, and with damn few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them, and it will take six years and cost 6 million lives."

He also thought them to be less European, and more Asiatic, and therefore offered that the Russian "thinks deviously."

My personal favorite:

"I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them."

As an ethnic German, why does Trump love the Russians so much? Doesn't he believe Patton?

You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"

We've all played Risk. It's impossible to hold Asia. You're everyone's card trade.

Australia is the key to the game.

allpurpleallgold

I once said on this board that I wasn’t scared of Russia and I stand by that. I ain’t fucking scared of Russia. But that does not mean they won’t try us.

Read a history book, men like Putin all want the same thing. It’s not to be buddy buddy with a greater country. It’s not to be BFFs with a reality tv star. He wants to be in those history books. If you think sitting down with Trump changed that then you’re delusional.

PurpleJ

No racist crap

RaceBannon

Everyone tries us. Top DAWGS get that treatment

You still have to play the game

ThomasFremont

Douglas MacArthur wanted to nuke multiple cities in China. And now here we are.

YellowSnow

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

RaceBannon

Someone should have clued Teddy and the democrats into all this keen insight on Russia

This isn't news to most of us. Welcome aboard to the rest

allpurpleallgold

RaceBannon said:

Everyone tries us. Top DAWGS get that treatment

You still have to play the game

This is sellable. The idea of Trump being the one to masterfully play this game is laughable but it’s a whole lot better than “what a great meeting!”

PurpleThrobber

YellowSnow said:

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

Sounds like Cuogs to me.

YellowSnow

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

Sounds like Cuogs to me.

Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.

PurpleJ

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

Sounds like Cuogs to me.

Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.

Trump really respects us man.

Mosster47

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

Sounds like Cuogs to me.

Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.

Washington isn't a great power, first off.

Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.

I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.

YellowSnow

Mosster47 said:

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

Sounds like Cuogs to me.

Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.

Washington isn't a great power, first off.

Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.

I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.

We are the 2nd greatest power in the West and USC really respects us more than Oregon or UCLA.

Second, yes, this is a very interesting counterfactual. People forget that the Russians and Japanese did fight a tuff little war in 1939 before the European war got under way and the Russians won (pay back for 1905 I reckon). Obviously to get to Russia, Germany had to conquer Poland first and we know that when they did this French and British declared war, but then proceeded to do nothing but sit behind the Maginot Line. Would they have decided to attack Nazi Germany at some point if Hitler had never decided to invade the West? Who knows?

I can't imagine that in the event both Japan and Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 Roosevelt would have cut off Japan's supply of US oil. We might very well have gone "meh".

dnc

Mosster47 said:

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

Sounds like Cuogs to me.

Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.

Washington isn't a great power, first off.

Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.

I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.

Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.

GrundleStiltzkin

dnc said:

Mosster47 said:

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

Sounds like Cuogs to me.

Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.

Washington isn't a great power, first off.

Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.

I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.

Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.

Conflict in the Pacific against an expansionist, imperial Japan was still probably chinevitable.

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

Someone should have clued Teddy and the democrats into all this keen insight on Russia

This isn't news to most of us. Welcome aboard to the rest

Don't go all @BearsWiin on me Race. Humor is good for arthritis.

PS: Why do you hAtE PatToN?

dnc

GrundleStiltzkin said:

dnc said:

Mosster47 said:

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. But this latter type of insecurity was one which afflicted rather Russian rulers than Russian people; for Russian rulers have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of Western countries. For this reason they have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between Western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within. And they have learned to seek security only in patient but deadly struggle for total destruction of rival power, never in compacts and compromises with it. - George Kennan, 1946

Sounds like Cuogs to me.

Or Quooks. The Ruskies have always had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the traditional great powers.

Washington isn't a great power, first off.

Second, I've always wondered how the world would have reacted if the Germans and the Japanese just decided to go after Russia first and left everyone else alone.

I get the feeling the rest of the planet would have given a collective "meh" while it unfolded.

Gone meh? We? probably would have supported it, at least covertly. The red scare/Cold War wasn't in full effect by any means but there was no love in the west for Soviet Russia. We? would have gladly accelerated their collapse.

Conflict in the Pacific against an expansionist, imperial Japan was still probably chinevitable.

Oh definitely, just saying we? would have gladly sacrificed the Soviets before said chinevitable conflict if we could have.

Just think, we? could have dropped the Richland Bombers on Chernobyl.

What a hypothetical world.