WSJ: The Trump First Doctrine — Putin respects strength but Trump showed weakness
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I think Trump is used to buying his politicians, through campaign contributions, not negotiating with them. His life has been making business deals with people who are concerned about the bottom line. Now he’s dealing with people who are concerned about votes, and could care less about spending other people’s money. He hasn’t adapted to his new reality.Swaye said:The part about Russia pretty well sums up my views. I'll leave EU and NATO and Britain to others to dissect. On Russia, he bungled it. Had a real chance there, but dropped the ball badly. His massive insecurities caused most of that debacle, as the author correctly points out. Putin will now just do whatever he wants for the next 2-6 years. And not backing our intel folks was just bad form. Look, I have worked for one of these three letter agencies. Trump has some legitimate complaints here, but that was not the correct forum for airing them. Looked JV to me. Gave Putin more power. Diminished his own. Like I said, he stepped on his own dick, and didn't have to.
Here's the thing, I like Trump - well, I like what Trump has done to upset the apple cart in Washington, so it's fair to say I love what he represents. But this fragile ego thing is a constant source of befuddlement to me. What does Trump have to feel so fragile about? He rich as fuck. Nailed piles of hot chicks, and married to another super hot one. He is the leader of the free world. What am I missing? That question doesn't need answering.
But, I will also add to this that all the useful idiots calling him a traitor are just stupid. Nothing he did even comes close to treason. Jesus. Get a grip people. It was a tremendously bungled presser, where he let his anger at Mueller get the better of him, and his intense distrust of the intel community almost ruin him. That's it. This isn't Benedict Arnold turning over the fort shit. Kill yourself Brennan.
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A long but worthwhile read:dflea said:
Nothing proves what you said either.PostGameOrangeSlices said:2001400ex said:
Rich's parents condemned the conspiracy theorists and said that these individuals were exploiting their son's death for political gain, and their spokesperson called the conspiracy theorists "disgusting sociopaths".[14][15][16] They requested a retraction and apology from Fox News after the network promoted the conspiracy theory,[17] and sent a cease and desist letter to the investigator Fox News used.[7][16][17] The investigator stated that he had no evidence to back up the claims which Fox News attributed to him.[6][7][18] Fox News issued a retraction, but did not apologize or publicly explain what went wrong.[19] In return, the Rich family filed a defamation lawsuit against Fox News in March 2018, stating "The pain and anguish that comes from seeing your murdered son's life and legacy treated as a mere political football is beyond comprehension."[20]PostGameOrangeSlices said:2001400ex said:
Yet Trump is still alive. Would be easy to fake a heart attack.Pitchfork51 said:I'm not sure I totally buy it but a surprising number of people that have had the opportunity to fuck up Hillary's career have died.
Maybe I'm just a shithead but I sometimes think "well if I was in her position and could get away with it I'd have them taken out too"
Trump could afford the best private security money can buy. He isnt some no name DNC staffer shot in a "botched robbery" with his wallet and watch still on him while walking home from work.
None of that disproves what I said.
https://spectator.org/mr-mueller-was-the-dnc-server-actually-hacked-by-the-russians/ -
What economist exactly predicted the economy would collapse? Although the tariffs could lead to a recession.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah the economy is really collapsing just like all the liberal economists predicted post election.ThomasFremont said:
Failure is the perfect word to describe this administration. Solid work.RaceBannon said:Nothings changed with me
The democrats unleash a torrent of bullshit and by the next day its washed out in the sewer
Another failure. Be proud -
Everyone loved Assange until he said that Russia was not the source of the DNC leaks.
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Tommy let me know when you guys can beat the "failure"
Losers lose, loser -
2001400ex said:
What economist exactly predicted the economy would collapse? Although the tariffs could lead to a recession.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah the economy is really collapsing just like all the liberal economists predicted post election.ThomasFremont said:
Failure is the perfect word to describe this administration. Solid work.RaceBannon said:Nothings changed with me
The democrats unleash a torrent of bullshit and by the next day its washed out in the sewer
Another failure. Be proud
• “If Trump wins we should expect a big markdown in expected future earnings for a wide range of stocks — and a likely crash in the broader market [if Trump becomes president].” —Eric Zitzewitz, former chief economist at the IMF, November 2016.
• “Under Trump, I would expect a protracted recession to begin within 18 months. The damage would be felt far beyond the United States.” — Former Clinton and Obama chief economist Larry Summers, June 2016
• “Trump would likely cause the stock market to crash and plunge the world into recession.” —Simon Johnson, MIT economics professor, in The New York Times, November 2016.
• “Citigroup: A Trump Victory in November Could Cause a Global Recession” — Bloomberg Financial News headline, August 2016.
• “I have never seen an election in which the markets have so strong of a view as to what was good and bad about the outcome. And what you saw was the markets rallying yesterday because of the FBI thing on Sunday. And the reason I mention this particularly is if the likely event happens and Trump wins you will see a market crash of historic proportions, I think … The markets are terrified of him.” — Steve Rattner, MSNBC economic guru, October 2016.
• “Wall Street is set up for a major crash if Donald Trump shocks the world on Election Day and wins the White House. New research out on Friday suggests that financial markets strongly prefer a Hillary Clinton presidency and could react with panicked selling should Trump defy the polls and deliver a shocking upset on Nov. 8.” — Ben White, Politico, October 2016. -
I'd forgotten about that Nation article. Must read for anyone concerned with all this.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
A long but worthwhile read:dflea said:
Nothing proves what you said either.PostGameOrangeSlices said:2001400ex said:
Rich's parents condemned the conspiracy theorists and said that these individuals were exploiting their son's death for political gain, and their spokesperson called the conspiracy theorists "disgusting sociopaths".[14][15][16] They requested a retraction and apology from Fox News after the network promoted the conspiracy theory,[17] and sent a cease and desist letter to the investigator Fox News used.[7][16][17] The investigator stated that he had no evidence to back up the claims which Fox News attributed to him.[6][7][18] Fox News issued a retraction, but did not apologize or publicly explain what went wrong.[19] In return, the Rich family filed a defamation lawsuit against Fox News in March 2018, stating "The pain and anguish that comes from seeing your murdered son's life and legacy treated as a mere political football is beyond comprehension."[20]PostGameOrangeSlices said:2001400ex said:
Yet Trump is still alive. Would be easy to fake a heart attack.Pitchfork51 said:I'm not sure I totally buy it but a surprising number of people that have had the opportunity to fuck up Hillary's career have died.
Maybe I'm just a shithead but I sometimes think "well if I was in her position and could get away with it I'd have them taken out too"
Trump could afford the best private security money can buy. He isnt some no name DNC staffer shot in a "botched robbery" with his wallet and watch still on him while walking home from work.
None of that disproves what I said.
https://spectator.org/mr-mueller-was-the-dnc-server-actually-hacked-by-the-russians/
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/ -
I find it interesting that the FBI would raid the office of an attorney for dirt on his client yet stood silently by while the DNC told them nothing to see here stay away from our server that we say was hacked
Throw in the Pakistani IT family and you can see why the democrats have a vested interest in stopping Trump who was never supposed to win.
You can also compare and contrast the "investigation" of Hillary by the FBI with the summary written before they talked to her not under oath and the tarmac meet between Bill and Lynch
Or you can call me names since I am better and smarter than everyone here except @Swaye -
Fuck that piece of shit, Ross Perot, in the face. Bill Clinton should never have been elected President and then we could have been spared 25 years of the Clinton shit show.RaceBannon said:I find it interesting that the FBI would raid the office of an attorney for dirt on his client yet stood silently by while the DNC told them nothing to see here stay away from our server that we say was hacked
Throw in the Pakistani IT family and you can see why the democrats have a vested interest in stopping Trump who was never supposed to win.
You can also compare and contrast the "investigation" of Hillary by the FBI with the summary written before they talked to her not under oath and the tarmac meet between Bill and Lynch
Or you can call me names since I am better and smarter than everyone here except @Swaye -
Actions speak louder than words.
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Fuck off. That's like me quoting all the times Fox news said Obamacare would crater the economy. Those are mostly political pundits spouting bullshit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:2001400ex said:
What economist exactly predicted the economy would collapse? Although the tariffs could lead to a recession.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Yeah the economy is really collapsing just like all the liberal economists predicted post election.ThomasFremont said:
Failure is the perfect word to describe this administration. Solid work.RaceBannon said:Nothings changed with me
The democrats unleash a torrent of bullshit and by the next day its washed out in the sewer
Another failure. Be proud
• “If Trump wins we should expect a big markdown in expected future earnings for a wide range of stocks — and a likely crash in the broader market [if Trump becomes president].” —Eric Zitzewitz, former chief economist at the IMF, November 2016.
• “Under Trump, I would expect a protracted recession to begin within 18 months. The damage would be felt far beyond the United States.” — Former Clinton and Obama chief economist Larry Summers, June 2016
• “Trump would likely cause the stock market to crash and plunge the world into recession.” —Simon Johnson, MIT economics professor, in The New York Times, November 2016.
• “Citigroup: A Trump Victory in November Could Cause a Global Recession” — Bloomberg Financial News headline, August 2016.
• “I have never seen an election in which the markets have so strong of a view as to what was good and bad about the outcome. And what you saw was the markets rallying yesterday because of the FBI thing on Sunday. And the reason I mention this particularly is if the likely event happens and Trump wins you will see a market crash of historic proportions, I think … The markets are terrified of him.” — Steve Rattner, MSNBC economic guru, October 2016.
• “Wall Street is set up for a major crash if Donald Trump shocks the world on Election Day and wins the White House. New research out on Friday suggests that financial markets strongly prefer a Hillary Clinton presidency and could react with panicked selling should Trump defy the polls and deliver a shocking upset on Nov. 8.” — Ben White, Politico, October 2016.
Besides I heard for the last 8 years from you that the stock market wasn't the economy. -
Hondo asks for a link then buries his head in his ass
Get a new playbook fag -
Define worthwhilePostGameOrangeSlices said:
A long but worthwhile read:dflea said:
Nothing proves what you said either.PostGameOrangeSlices said:2001400ex said:
Rich's parents condemned the conspiracy theorists and said that these individuals were exploiting their son's death for political gain, and their spokesperson called the conspiracy theorists "disgusting sociopaths".[14][15][16] They requested a retraction and apology from Fox News after the network promoted the conspiracy theory,[17] and sent a cease and desist letter to the investigator Fox News used.[7][16][17] The investigator stated that he had no evidence to back up the claims which Fox News attributed to him.[6][7][18] Fox News issued a retraction, but did not apologize or publicly explain what went wrong.[19] In return, the Rich family filed a defamation lawsuit against Fox News in March 2018, stating "The pain and anguish that comes from seeing your murdered son's life and legacy treated as a mere political football is beyond comprehension."[20]PostGameOrangeSlices said:2001400ex said:
Yet Trump is still alive. Would be easy to fake a heart attack.Pitchfork51 said:I'm not sure I totally buy it but a surprising number of people that have had the opportunity to fuck up Hillary's career have died.
Maybe I'm just a shithead but I sometimes think "well if I was in her position and could get away with it I'd have them taken out too"
Trump could afford the best private security money can buy. He isnt some no name DNC staffer shot in a "botched robbery" with his wallet and watch still on him while walking home from work.
None of that disproves what I said.
https://spectator.org/mr-mueller-was-the-dnc-server-actually-hacked-by-the-russians/ -
He said liberal economists. Not political pundits. You should be smart enough to know the difference. But sadly you aren't.RaceBannon said:Hondo asks for a link then buries his head in his ass
Get a new playbook fag -
Go fuck yourself
This could be a good bored
Hell even a dullard like @insinceredawg is better than you are.
Edwin is still a pussy though -
You sound bitter Race. Must still be hungover from yesterday's Trump dicksucking event.RaceBannon said:Go fuck yourself
This could be a good bored
Hell even a dullard like @insinceredawg is better than you are.
Edwin is still a pussy though -
Winning an election (with it without the aid of foreign hackers) is now the basis for success? You must have loved Obama.RaceBannon said:Tommy let me know when you guys can beat the "failure"
Losers lose, loser -
I dunno, man, most of those quotes are from actual economists. Paul Krugman also melted down on Election Day:2001400ex said:He said liberal economists. Not political pundits. You should be smart enough to know the difference. But sadly you aren't.
So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened. -
Womp wompRaceBannon said:Go fuck yourself
This could be a good bored
Hell even a dullard like @insinceredawg is better than you are.
Edwin is still a pussy though -
Anyone who thought a recession was coming within 18 months is fucktarded. There will always be a bounce with tax cuts and stuff. Yes there are fucktarded liberals who were melting down saying anything they could to prevent a trump presidency.Squirt said:
I dunno, man, most of those quotes are from actual economists. Paul Krugman also melted down on Election Day:2001400ex said:He said liberal economists. Not political pundits. You should be smart enough to know the difference. But sadly you aren't.
So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened.
That being said, we are close to the longest expansion in our history and the stock market has flattened out the last 6 months or so. So we will have a recession at some point, just not sure when. It'll probably be a quick shallow one. -
Hurtful.2001400ex said:Anyone who thought a recession was coming within 18 months is fucktarded. There will always be a bounce with tax cuts and stuff. Yes there are fucktarded liberals who were melting down saying anything they could to prevent a trump presidency.
That being said, we are close to the longest expansion in our history and the stock market has flattened out the last 6 months or so. So we will have a recession at some point, just not sure when. It'll probably be a quick shallow one. -
2001400ex said:
He said liberal economists. Not political pundits. You should be smart enough to know the difference. But sadly you aren't.RaceBannon said:Hondo asks for a link then buries his head in his ass
Get a new playbook fag
I didnt realize an MIT econ professor is a political pundit.
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Hondo is melting down big time
This is what it looks like
Not me. I'm calmly kick ass of all the pussies like Edwin -
Can you try this in Spanish please?ThomasFremont said:
Winning an election (with it without the aid of foreign hackers) is now the basis for success? You must have loved Obama.RaceBannon said:Tommy let me know when you guys can beat the "failure"
Losers lose, loser -
Someone is talking tuff today!RaceBannon said:Hondo is melting down big time
This is what it looks like
Not me. I'm calmly kick ass of all the pussies like Edwin -
There he is!Edwin_Bambino said:
Someone is talking tuff today!RaceBannon said:Hondo is melting down big time
This is what it looks like
Not me. I'm calmly kick ass of all the pussies like Edwin
Hi Edwin.
You were itching to get at me a couple weeks ago -
Lol you wouldn't know a meltdown even it hit you in the face. Well really that's true cause it hit you in the face yesterday.RaceBannon said:Hondo is melting down big time
This is what it looks like
Not me. I'm calmly kick ass of all the pussies like Edwin -
I need one because I didn't actually get enough money to buy property until 2016.
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Probably!RaceBannon said:
There he is!Edwin_Bambino said:
Someone is talking tuff today!RaceBannon said:Hondo is melting down big time
This is what it looks like
Not me. I'm calmly kick ass of all the pussies like Edwin
Hi Edwin.
You were itching to get at me a couple weeks ago -
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