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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,710 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,285
    Miami
    RaceBannon said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    @PatHadenFS ? True?
    Ah, where would we? be without Pat Haden.

    Love that guy.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,285
    Miami
    RaceBannon said:

    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Good call on Denny

    Oregon State couldn't keep him either

    Miami didn't want to keep him
    You got that right. I'm not sure there's ever been a coach who won two titles who was less appreciated than Erickson at Miami. Nobody gave him any credit for the titles, and the very minute Miami looking human people were calling for his ass. It's almost like they didn't think an ex-Kewger belonged at Miami in the first place.
    Alabama didn't even wait for Price to coach a game before they shit canned him
    That was a banner day for Kewgs everywhere. Not embarrassing at all.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,285
    Miami
    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
    Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

    It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

    It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,710 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
    Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

    It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

    It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.
    Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,285
    Miami
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
    Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

    It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

    It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.
    Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.
    Yeah, something like that. And honestly, at the tim, there was no obvious reason for him to be higher.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,710 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    YellowSnow said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    dnc said:

    Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

    1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
    2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
    3. tOSU - right there with anybody

    So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

    Bama
    USC
    tOSU
    Oklahoma
    Florida
    Texas
    Florida St
    LSU
    Michigan
    Miami
    ND

    I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

    Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.
    At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.
    Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.
    You just made the entire poont.

    WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

    hth
    Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.
    Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

    That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

    Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

    Winners, eventually, win.

    " Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "
    * All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.
    Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

    It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

    It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.
    Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.
    Yeah, something like that. And honestly, at the tim, there was no obvious reason for him to be higher.
    It wasn't Herm Edwards bad, but not far from it.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,560 Founders Club
    Oklahoma
    I think USC really wanted Bellotti when they ended up with Pete
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,942
    It's officially Mount Rushmore season.
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