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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    Polls don't lie.

















    When you agree with them.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,205 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Rachel Maddow lulz.



    The twenty point swing of people "very satisfied" with the economy from last year is a more telling trend than the one question buried in a pile of other policy questions. Cherry pickin' bitch.

    Also see the 17 point decrease in "very dissatisfied" with the economy since the Donald took over.

    People want Congress to be a check on the President. I don't see a lot of disapproval of the tax plan in that survey other than for that fact.

    Link to the actual Poll and not some stupid apparatchik's hot take.


    What does polls on the economy have to do with polls on the tax cut bill?

    You are a bigger shill than sledog.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member Posts: 18,026
    2001400ex said:

    Rachel Maddow lulz.



    The twenty point swing of people "very satisfied" with the economy from last year is a more telling trend than the one question buried in a pile of other policy questions. Cherry pickin' bitch.

    Also see the 17 point decrease in "very dissatisfied" with the economy since the Donald took over.

    People want Congress to be a check on the President. I don't see a lot of disapproval of the tax plan in that survey other than for that fact.

    Link to the actual Poll and not some stupid apparatchik's hot take.


    What does polls on the economy have to do with polls on the tax cut bill?

    You are a bigger shill than sledog.
    I don't expect someone from the left to understand that taxes and the economy are related.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    People that hate Donald Trump hate the tax plan. Same as always...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctz_dHfYfb8
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Rachel Maddow lulz.



    The twenty point swing of people "very satisfied" with the economy from last year is a more telling trend than the one question buried in a pile of other policy questions. Cherry pickin' bitch.

    Also see the 17 point decrease in "very dissatisfied" with the economy since the Donald took over.

    People want Congress to be a check on the President. I don't see a lot of disapproval of the tax plan in that survey other than for that fact.

    Link to the actual Poll and not some stupid apparatchik's hot take.


    What does polls on the economy have to do with polls on the tax cut bill?

    You are a bigger shill than sledog.
    I don't expect someone from the left to understand that taxes and the economy are related.
    I don't expect someone from the right to see that in 08 we cut taxes and still had a recession. Or in 01 we cut taxes and had a recession. Or in 11 and 14 raised taxes and didn't have a recession.

    Facts and history are lost on you.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Come watch Hondo struggle in every thread

    Nice concession.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Come watch Hondo struggle in every thread

    I've gone through two threads in the last couple minutes and hondo got shredded in both
    Troomps hate facts.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member Posts: 18,026
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Rachel Maddow lulz.



    The twenty point swing of people "very satisfied" with the economy from last year is a more telling trend than the one question buried in a pile of other policy questions. Cherry pickin' bitch.

    Also see the 17 point decrease in "very dissatisfied" with the economy since the Donald took over.

    People want Congress to be a check on the President. I don't see a lot of disapproval of the tax plan in that survey other than for that fact.

    Link to the actual Poll and not some stupid apparatchik's hot take.


    What does polls on the economy have to do with polls on the tax cut bill?

    You are a bigger shill than sledog.
    I don't expect someone from the left to understand that taxes and the economy are related.
    I don't expect someone from the right to see that in 08 we cut taxes and still had a recession. Or in 01 we cut taxes and had a recession. Or in 11 and 14 raised taxes and didn't have a recession.

    Facts and history are lost on you.
    You really don't get it do you? It's fascinating interacting with someone who wouldn't be able to pass a Turing test.

    The economy is a dynamic concept that has MULTIPLE VARIABLES interacting all at once. While cutting taxes has a positive impact on growth, there are other factors which also may impact growth, like government oversight and red tape for example. Examples such as "der that one time we cut taxes and the economy stayed the same" or "der we raised taxes and the economy stayed the same" is what we would call anecdotal evidence. Those are more importantly not even facts. Those are unsubstantiated opinions of what you thought the economy was like. What was the fucking GDP measure at that time? The employment rate? What would they have been had those variables not been changed? Do you even have enough of a seventh grade education to understand an equation with multiple variables?

    This is all really a joke on me isn't it? @RaceBannon or @Swaye someone please fill me in on the fact that Hondo is actually just a troll alt you guys use to fuck with people in the Tug.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,140 Standard Supporter
    People who think correlation and causation are the same thing are special.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Rachel Maddow lulz.



    The twenty point swing of people "very satisfied" with the economy from last year is a more telling trend than the one question buried in a pile of other policy questions. Cherry pickin' bitch.

    Also see the 17 point decrease in "very dissatisfied" with the economy since the Donald took over.

    People want Congress to be a check on the President. I don't see a lot of disapproval of the tax plan in that survey other than for that fact.

    Link to the actual Poll and not some stupid apparatchik's hot take.


    What does polls on the economy have to do with polls on the tax cut bill?

    You are a bigger shill than sledog.
    I don't expect someone from the left to understand that taxes and the economy are related.
    I don't expect someone from the right to see that in 08 we cut taxes and still had a recession. Or in 01 we cut taxes and had a recession. Or in 11 and 14 raised taxes and didn't have a recession.

    Facts and history are lost on you.
    You really don't get it do you? It's fascinating interacting with someone who wouldn't be able to pass a Turing test.

    The economy is a dynamic concept that has MULTIPLE VARIABLES interacting all at once. While cutting taxes has a positive impact on growth, there are other factors which also may impact growth, like government oversight and red tape for example. Examples such as "der that one time we cut taxes and the economy stayed the same" or "der we raised taxes and the economy stayed the same" is what we would call anecdotal evidence. Those are more importantly not even facts. Those are unsubstantiated opinions of what you thought the economy was like. What was the fucking GDP measure at that time? The employment rate? What would they have been had those variables not been changed? Do you even have enough of a seventh grade education to understand an equation with multiple variables?

    This is all really a joke on me isn't it? @RaceBannon or @Swaye someone please fill me in on the fact that Hondo is actually just a troll alt you guys use to fuck with people in the Tug.
    I do chuckle how one post you say that taxes are directly correlated with the economy. Then spend the rest of the day arguing how is not. Nice work sugar bear.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member Posts: 18,026
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Rachel Maddow lulz.



    The twenty point swing of people "very satisfied" with the economy from last year is a more telling trend than the one question buried in a pile of other policy questions. Cherry pickin' bitch.

    Also see the 17 point decrease in "very dissatisfied" with the economy since the Donald took over.

    People want Congress to be a check on the President. I don't see a lot of disapproval of the tax plan in that survey other than for that fact.

    Link to the actual Poll and not some stupid apparatchik's hot take.


    What does polls on the economy have to do with polls on the tax cut bill?

    You are a bigger shill than sledog.
    I don't expect someone from the left to understand that taxes and the economy are related.
    I don't expect someone from the right to see that in 08 we cut taxes and still had a recession. Or in 01 we cut taxes and had a recession. Or in 11 and 14 raised taxes and didn't have a recession.

    Facts and history are lost on you.
    You really don't get it do you? It's fascinating interacting with someone who wouldn't be able to pass a Turing test.

    The economy is a dynamic concept that has MULTIPLE VARIABLES interacting all at once. While cutting taxes has a positive impact on growth, there are other factors which also may impact growth, like government oversight and red tape for example. Examples such as "der that one time we cut taxes and the economy stayed the same" or "der we raised taxes and the economy stayed the same" is what we would call anecdotal evidence. Those are more importantly not even facts. Those are unsubstantiated opinions of what you thought the economy was like. What was the fucking GDP measure at that time? The employment rate? What would they have been had those variables not been changed? Do you even have enough of a seventh grade education to understand an equation with multiple variables?

    This is all really a joke on me isn't it? @RaceBannon or @Swaye someone please fill me in on the fact that Hondo is actually just a troll alt you guys use to fuck with people in the Tug.
    I do chuckle how one post you say that taxes are directly correlated with the economy. Then spend the rest of the day arguing how is not. Nice work sugar bear.
    OK!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Rachel Maddow lulz.



    The twenty point swing of people "very satisfied" with the economy from last year is a more telling trend than the one question buried in a pile of other policy questions. Cherry pickin' bitch.

    Also see the 17 point decrease in "very dissatisfied" with the economy since the Donald took over.

    People want Congress to be a check on the President. I don't see a lot of disapproval of the tax plan in that survey other than for that fact.

    Link to the actual Poll and not some stupid apparatchik's hot take.


    What does polls on the economy have to do with polls on the tax cut bill?

    You are a bigger shill than sledog.
    I don't expect someone from the left to understand that taxes and the economy are related.
    I don't expect someone from the right to see that in 08 we cut taxes and still had a recession. Or in 01 we cut taxes and had a recession. Or in 11 and 14 raised taxes and didn't have a recession.

    Facts and history are lost on you.
    You really don't get it do you? It's fascinating interacting with someone who wouldn't be able to pass a Turing test.

    The economy is a dynamic concept that has MULTIPLE VARIABLES interacting all at once. While cutting taxes has a positive impact on growth, there are other factors which also may impact growth, like government oversight and red tape for example. Examples such as "der that one time we cut taxes and the economy stayed the same" or "der we raised taxes and the economy stayed the same" is what we would call anecdotal evidence. Those are more importantly not even facts. Those are unsubstantiated opinions of what you thought the economy was like. What was the fucking GDP measure at that time? The employment rate? What would they have been had those variables not been changed? Do you even have enough of a seventh grade education to understand an equation with multiple variables?

    This is all really a joke on me isn't it? @RaceBannon or @Swaye someone please fill me in on the fact that Hondo is actually just a troll alt you guys use to fuck with people in the Tug.
    I do chuckle how one post you say that taxes are directly correlated with the economy. Then spend the rest of the day arguing how is not. Nice work sugar bear.
    OK!
    Nice concession speech.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
    Why not both?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,623 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2018
    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    You don't hang with the comrades over at the Che Guevara school of communism and heavy machinery!
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member Posts: 18,026

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
    Tax cuts(within reason and ceteris paribus) = growth

    Growth = debt as a smaller portion of revenue/GDP

    Also, when the world stops letting the US service their debt at negative interest rates THEN we should balance the budget. Who would turn down a loan at a -1.5% rate...
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
    Tax cuts(within reason and ceteris paribus) = growth

    Growth = debt as a smaller portion of revenue/GDP

    Also, when the world stops letting the US service their debt at negative interest rates THEN we should balance the budget. Who would turn down a loan at a -1.5% rate...
    Not when the deficit is much larger than the growth rate. As it is right now.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
    Tax cuts(within reason and ceteris paribus) = growth

    Growth = debt as a smaller portion of revenue/GDP

    Also, when the world stops letting the US service their debt at negative interest rates THEN we should balance the budget. Who would turn down a loan at a -1.5% rate...
    Not when the deficit is much larger than the growth rate. As it is right now.
    If Obama couldn't get it fixed, no one can
    How is Trump doing on the deficit? I'm not sure that's an argument you want to make.
  • Baphomet
    Baphomet Member Posts: 1,511
    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    Short term, sure. Long term, this will drive up interest rates (because it will increase federal borrowing), which will hurt home buyers, and home sellers hoping to retire on the sale of their homes in the next few years as prices decline.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
    Tax cuts(within reason and ceteris paribus) = growth

    Growth = debt as a smaller portion of revenue/GDP

    Also, when the world stops letting the US service their debt at negative interest rates THEN we should balance the budget. Who would turn down a loan at a -1.5% rate...
    Not when the deficit is much larger than the growth rate. As it is right now.
    If Obama couldn't get it fixed, no one can
    How is Trump doing on the deficit? I'm not sure that's an argument you want to make.
    If future Rushmore chinductee Obama only made the deficit worse, despite his best heroic, learned and professorial efforts, how can we expect the biggest buffoon ever in the office to do any better? Game over man. #WeAreASubSaharanCountry
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
    Tax cuts(within reason and ceteris paribus) = growth

    Growth = debt as a smaller portion of revenue/GDP

    Also, when the world stops letting the US service their debt at negative interest rates THEN we should balance the budget. Who would turn down a loan at a -1.5% rate...
    Not when the deficit is much larger than the growth rate. As it is right now.
    If Obama couldn't get it fixed, no one can
    How is Trump doing on the deficit? I'm not sure that's an argument you want to make.
    If future Rushmore chinductee Obama only made the deficit worse, despite his best heroic, learned and professorial efforts, how can we expect the biggest buffoon ever in the office to do any better? Game over man. #WeAreASubSaharanCountry
    While Obama was shitty on the deficit. The deficit basically went down every year of his presidency.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
    Tax cuts(within reason and ceteris paribus) = growth

    Growth = debt as a smaller portion of revenue/GDP

    Also, when the world stops letting the US service their debt at negative interest rates THEN we should balance the budget. Who would turn down a loan at a -1.5% rate...
    Not when the deficit is much larger than the growth rate. As it is right now.
    If Obama couldn't get it fixed, no one can
    How is Trump doing on the deficit? I'm not sure that's an argument you want to make.
    If future Rushmore chinductee Obama only made the deficit worse, despite his best heroic, learned and professorial efforts, how can we expect the biggest buffoon ever in the office to do any better? Game over man. #WeAreASubSaharanCountry
    While Obama was shitty on the deficit. The deficit basically went down every year of his presidency.
    Again, if Obama couldn't, no one can. Well, of course Hillary or Warren, but this country is far too sexist to elect them, despite all the good those women would do for the deficit.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited June 2018
    Baphomet said:

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    Short term, sure. Long term, this will drive up interest rates (because it will increase federal borrowing), which will hurt home buyers, and home sellers hoping to retire on the sale of their homes in the next few years as prices decline.
    You realize interest rates are still extremely low historically?

    However, rising interests rates do suck because it drives more Californian’s up here. Get off my state!!!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,623 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Swaye said:

    I don't know a single person who doesn't like the tax cuts. Poor people. Wealthy people. Black people. White devils. Every single person I have ever spoken with about them likes them. Where are all these people who hate their own money?

    I think they are overrated, but then again I tend to be BRB, JO about the prospect of a balanced budget (never will happen but I can still fantasize). Tax cuts = Fast Strategy. Fiscal sanity = Slow Strategy.
    Tax cuts(within reason and ceteris paribus) = growth

    Growth = debt as a smaller portion of revenue/GDP

    Also, when the world stops letting the US service their debt at negative interest rates THEN we should balance the budget. Who would turn down a loan at a -1.5% rate...
    Not when the deficit is much larger than the growth rate. As it is right now.
    If Obama couldn't get it fixed, no one can
    How is Trump doing on the deficit? I'm not sure that's an argument you want to make.
    If future Rushmore chinductee Obama only made the deficit worse, despite his best heroic, learned and professorial efforts, how can we expect the biggest buffoon ever in the office to do any better? Game over man. #WeAreASubSaharanCountry
    While Obama was shitty on the deficit. The deficit basically went down every year of his presidency.
    Yeah it went down so much the deficit only doubled under his leadership. Spent more than all previous presidents combined. Math much?