Medical Billing
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Nope, just way more efficient.RaceBannon said:
And it is free!UWhuskytskeet said:
Except countries with Universal Healthcare pay half of what Americans do, per capita. The US pays more for healthcare than any country in the world.Fenderbender123 said:I'm not saying that there isn't shit to fix in terms of the way clinics and hospitals bill their patients...
But it seems like there's a lot of people in America who want to have their cake and eat it, too. I know this guy who makes damn good money who bitched about how he had to pay $1,500 for an ER visit, and went on about how much better universal healthcare (or whatever it's called these days) would be.
I was like "you have $50,000 in your checking account BECAUSE you live in America and get to keep a relatively reasonable amount of the money you make. The lack of universal health care if what allows you to have the money to pay that bill."
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I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel
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I like to pretend access to healthcare isn't tied to diet and lifestyle.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel -
I'd love to see an outlier adjusted average. I doubt any universal care country has the exorbitant outliers that we have. They just pull the cord instead. Of course, that will never happen, because the people that generate these studies have agendas and narratives to fit.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel -
What outliers are you talking about?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'd love to see an outlier adjusted average. I doubt any universal care country has the exorbitant outliers that we have. They just pull the cord instead. Of course, that will never happen, because the people that generate these studies have agendas and narratives to fit.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel -
Take out all the fat people.UWhuskytskeet said:
What outliers are you talking about?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'd love to see an outlier adjusted average. I doubt any universal care country has the exorbitant outliers that we have. They just pull the cord instead. Of course, that will never happen, because the people that generate these studies have agendas and narratives to fit.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel
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Doesn't that break rule #1?PurpleThrobber said:
Take out all the fat people.UWhuskytskeet said:
What outliers are you talking about?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'd love to see an outlier adjusted average. I doubt any universal care country has the exorbitant outliers that we have. They just pull the cord instead. Of course, that will never happen, because the people that generate these studies have agendas and narratives to fit.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel -
Outliers such as people on long-term life-support, people with terminal diseases, pre-mature births, people who are old and rich and want to live as long as possible, medical tourism(Gasp! People in universal care countries come to the US for treatment bc no lines or panels to decide if they get treatment). etc.UWhuskytskeet said:
What outliers are you talking about?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'd love to see an outlier adjusted average. I doubt any universal care country has the exorbitant outliers that we have. They just pull the cord instead. Of course, that will never happen, because the people that generate these studies have agendas and narratives to fit.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel
TLDR Rich countries spend more on healthcare than not rich countries
What you may not realize is that we have a section of the medical industry that is already single payer in the US. Dialysis. FYI, it's a disaster.
god-help-you-youre-on-dialysis
And then there's the VA where no expense has been spared to give universal coverage through the government and the coverage continues to be abysmal for a section of the population we all agree deserves good care. -
Go onUWhuskytskeet said:
I like to pretend access to healthcare isn't tied to diet and lifestyle.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel -
HRYKRaceBannon said:You always get a cash discount. Doctor gets his money now not after the insurance company decides to give it to him and with no overhead to fill out the bullshit forms
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Must be the futbol...dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel
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Way more Americans leave the US for healthcare than people travelling to the US. It's 10-1.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Outliers such as people on long-term life-support, people with terminal diseases, pre-mature births, people who are old and rich and want to live as long as possible, medical tourism(Gasp! People in universal care countries come to the US for treatment bc no lines or panels to decide if they get treatment). etc.UWhuskytskeet said:
What outliers are you talking about?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'd love to see an outlier adjusted average. I doubt any universal care country has the exorbitant outliers that we have. They just pull the cord instead. Of course, that will never happen, because the people that generate these studies have agendas and narratives to fit.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel
TLDR Rich countries spend more on healthcare than not rich countries
What you may not realize is that we have a section of the medical industry that is already single payer in the US. Dialysis. FYI, it's a disaster.
god-help-you-youre-on-dialysis
And then there's the VA where no expense has been spared to give universal coverage through the government and the coverage continues to be abysmal for a section of the population we all agree deserves good care.A report of McKinsey and Co. from 2008 found that between 60,000 and 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care.[70] The same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006).
Every country has the "outliers" you listed. -
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Well, Fuck the Swiss then.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel -
The difference being that the other countries won't spend that on your care because a government official makes the determination of whether you are worth the expenditure. In the US, you can spend millions pretty easily on someone who has a low chance of survival. Per my comment as well, I'd love to see the numbers adjusted to reflect what the reality is.UWhuskytskeet said:
Way more Americans leave the US for healthcare than people travelling to the US. It's 10-1.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Outliers such as people on long-term life-support, people with terminal diseases, pre-mature births, people who are old and rich and want to live as long as possible, medical tourism(Gasp! People in universal care countries come to the US for treatment bc no lines or panels to decide if they get treatment). etc.UWhuskytskeet said:
What outliers are you talking about?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'd love to see an outlier adjusted average. I doubt any universal care country has the exorbitant outliers that we have. They just pull the cord instead. Of course, that will never happen, because the people that generate these studies have agendas and narratives to fit.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel
TLDR Rich countries spend more on healthcare than not rich countries
What you may not realize is that we have a section of the medical industry that is already single payer in the US. Dialysis. FYI, it's a disaster.
god-help-you-youre-on-dialysis
And then there's the VA where no expense has been spared to give universal coverage through the government and the coverage continues to be abysmal for a section of the population we all agree deserves good care.A report of McKinsey and Co. from 2008 found that between 60,000 and 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care.[70] The same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006).
Every country has the "outliers" you listed.
The difference in medical tourism being that people who come to the US as medical tourists are typically spending lots of money for access to care. Access to immediate care = more expensive. -
Was it airborn AIDS?section8 said:Family member in the last year has generated upwards of $1M in medical bills (brain surgery, rehab, extended PT, chemo, radiation etc..)
After the adjustments nearly $700K of that disappeared off the billing, insurance paid most, UW wrote off about $140K for radiation due to it being part of a clinical trial, our out of pocket
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I like it when fat people die. @CFetters_Nacho_Lover
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Ground @chuck > Air @chuckMikeDamone said:
Was it airborn AIDS?section8 said:Family member in the last year has generated upwards of $1M in medical bills (brain surgery, rehab, extended PT, chemo, radiation etc..)
After the adjustments nearly $700K of that disappeared off the billing, insurance paid most, UW wrote off about $140K for radiation due to it being part of a clinical trial, our out of pocket -
When Mexico has you dicked at Health care providence and costs, you know it's not working.UWhuskytskeet said:
Except countries with Universal Healthcare pay half of what Americans do, per capita. The US pays more for healthcare than any country in the world.Fenderbender123 said:I'm not saying that there isn't shit to fix in terms of the way clinics and hospitals bill their patients...
But it seems like there's a lot of people in America who want to have their cake and eat it, too. I know this guy who makes damn good money who bitched about how he had to pay $1,500 for an ER visit, and went on about how much better universal healthcare (or whatever it's called these days) would be.
I was like "you have $50,000 in your checking account BECAUSE you live in America and get to keep a relatively reasonable amount of the money you make. The lack of universal health care if what allows you to have the money to pay that bill."
He didn't understand, which makes me mad that he makes so much more money than me. -
Americans leave for healthcare and pay cash to people that love American cash like in Thailand and price it accordingly. There is nothing to stop that from being the case here other than massive and crippling over regulation
You can get a root canal in Mexico for 1/4 the price from an American citizen doctor trained at an American University who commutes to her office in Mexico -
HurtfulSwaye said:I like it when fat people die. @CFetters_Nacho_Lover
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I like to pretend that insurance companies are more willing to spend money to keep people alive than the government.UW_Doog_Bot said:
The difference being that the other countries won't spend that on your care because a government official makes the determination of whether you are worth the expenditure. In the US, you can spend millions pretty easily on someone who has a low chance of survival. Per my comment as well, I'd love to see the numbers adjusted to reflect what the reality is.UWhuskytskeet said:
Way more Americans leave the US for healthcare than people travelling to the US. It's 10-1.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Outliers such as people on long-term life-support, people with terminal diseases, pre-mature births, people who are old and rich and want to live as long as possible, medical tourism(Gasp! People in universal care countries come to the US for treatment bc no lines or panels to decide if they get treatment). etc.UWhuskytskeet said:
What outliers are you talking about?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'd love to see an outlier adjusted average. I doubt any universal care country has the exorbitant outliers that we have. They just pull the cord instead. Of course, that will never happen, because the people that generate these studies have agendas and narratives to fit.dnc said:
I like to pretend that health expenses are about medical care and not about diet and lifestyle, that's what I like to do.UWhuskytskeet said:
Sounds like you are a commie.Pitchfork51 said:I've always been in favor of a global study of all health systems, figure out who has the lowest cost per person with a good wuality of care, and them straight up copying it.
Why reinvent the damn wheel
TLDR Rich countries spend more on healthcare than not rich countries
What you may not realize is that we have a section of the medical industry that is already single payer in the US. Dialysis. FYI, it's a disaster.
god-help-you-youre-on-dialysis
And then there's the VA where no expense has been spared to give universal coverage through the government and the coverage continues to be abysmal for a section of the population we all agree deserves good care.A report of McKinsey and Co. from 2008 found that between 60,000 and 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care.[70] The same McKinsey study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries in 2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006).
Every country has the "outliers" you listed.
The difference in medical tourism being that people who come to the US as medical tourists are typically spending lots of money for access to care. Access to immediate care = more expensive.
