“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
Cal and Stanford aren't shit teams. Cal was in the top 25 for nearly two weeks, and Stanford is always an above average D1. Competively, neither should ever really be overlooked.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
Cal and Stanford aren't shit teams. Cal was in the top 25 for nearly two weeks, and Stanford is always an above average D1. Competively, neither should ever really be overlooked.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
Stanford got the shit beat out of them with a backup qb at usc. Got the shit beat out of them at UCf. Their offense scored one TD vs northwestern. Couldn’t score a TD vs Oregon. That is a shit Stanford team that dominated uw. Take all the screenshots you need. Let alone it was basically their 2nd and 3rd string at a ton of key positions.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
Cal and Stanford aren't shit teams. Cal was in the top 25 for nearly two weeks, and Stanford is always an above average D1. Competively, neither should ever really be overlooked.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
Stanford got the shit beat out of them with a backup qb at usc. Got the shit beat out of them at UCf. Their offense scored one TD vs northwestern. Couldn’t score a TD vs Oregon. That is a shit Stanford team that dominated uw. Take all the screenshots you need. Let alone it was basically their 2nd and 3rd string at a ton of key positions.
Cal is good on defense. Their offense is garbage.
Have some freaking standards.
They may be having down years, but Oregon, USC, and UCF aren't cupcake D1 teams either. Stanford and Cal aren't an East Carolina or Central Michigan, never will be. A high caliber Ayden Hector type committing to a Stanford, USC, Oregon, UCF or even a Cal is unsurprising - and that is illustrative of the difference in caliber, clout and "standards" even in down years. Oregon, USC, UFC, Stanford and Cal draw and have greater numbers of high level competitive players than average D1s (or have a reasonable expectation of it), that is the point, and that is the "standard" being referred to.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
Cal and Stanford aren't shit teams. Cal was in the top 25 for nearly two weeks, and Stanford is always an above average D1. Competively, neither should ever really be overlooked.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
Stanford got the shit beat out of them with a backup qb at usc. Got the shit beat out of them at UCf. Their offense scored one TD vs northwestern. Couldn’t score a TD vs Oregon. That is a shit Stanford team that dominated uw. Take all the screenshots you need. Let alone it was basically their 2nd and 3rd string at a ton of key positions.
Cal is good on defense. Their offense is garbage.
Have some freaking standards.
They may be having down years, but Oregon, USC, and UCF aren't cupcake D1 teams either. Stanford and Cal aren't an East Carolina or Central Michigan, never will be. A high caliber Ayden Hector type committing to a Stanford, USC, Oregon, UCF or even a Cal is unsurprising - and that is illustrative of the difference in caliber, clout and "standards" even in down years. Oregon, USC, UFC, Stanford and Cal draw and have greater numbers of high level competitive players than average D1s (or have a reasonable expectation of it), that is the point, and that is the "standard" being referred to.
This is a currently weak Pac-12. Both inexcusable loses.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
Cal and Stanford aren't shit teams. Cal was in the top 25 for nearly two weeks, and Stanford is always an above average D1. Competively, neither should ever really be overlooked.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
Stanford got the shit beat out of them with a backup qb at usc. Got the shit beat out of them at UCf. Their offense scored one TD vs northwestern. Couldn’t score a TD vs Oregon. That is a shit Stanford team that dominated uw. Take all the screenshots you need. Let alone it was basically their 2nd and 3rd string at a ton of key positions.
Cal is good on defense. Their offense is garbage.
Have some freaking standards.
They may be having down years, but Oregon, USC, and UCF aren't cupcake D1 teams either. Stanford and Cal aren't an East Carolina or Central Michigan, never will be. A high caliber Ayden Hector type committing to a Stanford, USC, Oregon, UCF or even a Cal is unsurprising - and that is illustrative of the difference in caliber, clout and "standards" even in down years. Oregon, USC, UFC, Stanford and Cal draw and have greater numbers of high level competitive players than average D1s (or have a reasonable expectation of it), that is the point, and that is the "standard" being referred to.
This is a currently weak Pac-12. Both inexcusable loses.
STFU or go back to doogman.
I don’t agree that the PAC 12 is weak. That’s gets thrown out too much. They were definitely inexcusable losses.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
Cal and Stanford aren't shit teams. Cal was in the top 25 for nearly two weeks, and Stanford is always an above average D1. Competively, neither should ever really be overlooked.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
Stanford got the shit beat out of them with a backup qb at usc. Got the shit beat out of them at UCf. Their offense scored one TD vs northwestern. Couldn’t score a TD vs Oregon. That is a shit Stanford team that dominated uw. Take all the screenshots you need. Let alone it was basically their 2nd and 3rd string at a ton of key positions.
Cal is good on defense. Their offense is garbage.
Have some freaking standards.
They may be having down years, but Oregon, USC, and UCF aren't cupcake D1 teams either. Stanford and Cal aren't an East Carolina or Central Michigan, never will be. A high caliber Ayden Hector type committing to a Stanford, USC, Oregon, UCF or even a Cal is unsurprising - and that is illustrative of the difference in caliber, clout and "standards" even in down years. Oregon, USC, UFC, Stanford and Cal draw and have greater numbers of high level competitive players than average D1s (or have a reasonable expectation of it), that is the point, and that is the "standard" being referred to.
This is a currently weak Pac-12. Both inexcusable loses.
STFU or go back to doogman.
I don’t agree that the PAC 12 is weak. That’s gets thrown out too much. They were definitely inexcusable losses.
There is no threat in any of the programs that could win a playoff game let alone make it there. The sec has probably 5 teams that would win the pac 12 if they were in our conference.
If you want teams in between the 12-25 rankings the league is okay.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
Cal and Stanford aren't shit teams. Cal was in the top 25 for nearly two weeks, and Stanford is always an above average D1. Competively, neither should ever really be overlooked.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
Stanford got the shit beat out of them with a backup qb at usc. Got the shit beat out of them at UCf. Their offense scored one TD vs northwestern. Couldn’t score a TD vs Oregon. That is a shit Stanford team that dominated uw. Take all the screenshots you need. Let alone it was basically their 2nd and 3rd string at a ton of key positions.
Cal is good on defense. Their offense is garbage.
Have some freaking standards.
They may be having down years, but Oregon, USC, and UCF aren't cupcake D1 teams either. Stanford and Cal aren't an East Carolina or Central Michigan, never will be. A high caliber Ayden Hector type committing to a Stanford, USC, Oregon, UCF or even a Cal is unsurprising - and that is illustrative of the difference in caliber, clout and "standards" even in down years. Oregon, USC, UFC, Stanford and Cal draw and have greater numbers of high level competitive players than average D1s (or have a reasonable expectation of it), that is the point, and that is the "standard" being referred to.
This is a currently weak Pac-12. Both inexcusable loses.
STFU or go back to doogman.
I don’t agree that the PAC 12 is weak. That’s gets thrown out too much. They were definitely inexcusable losses.
There is no threat in any of the programs that could win a playoff game let alone make it there. The sec has probably 5 teams that would win the pac 12 if they were in our conference.
If you want teams in between the 12-25 rankings the league is okay.
Alabama is the only team in the SEC that would for sure won the PAC12. LSU would be the favorite, but they wouldn’t annually dominate. Who else is that good in the SEC? I agree with you that we are missing an elite team. There are four or five good, tier 2 teams in the PAC 12.
The PAC 12 is missing an annual power like Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma. After that, there isn’t much difference in the quality of conferences. The parity after the top teams is strong in college football.
I know this not a popular opinion as everyone out west likes to think they play football good out here too. This year if you don’t think auburn Florida or Georgia would not win the pac 12 I don’t think you are being honest. Auburn has likely beat the best team in the pac 12 in back to back years and they are a middle of the pack team in their conference. Florida and auburn are flawed teams for sure, but give me them over Oregon or Utah this year in a heartbeat. Auburn can barely complete a forward pass This year and still beat Oregon which is an embarrassment. Georgia bama and LSU physically are so much better physically than any team out west minus usc who has some good athletes but sucks.
Pick any team against any of those too 5 sec teams on a neutral field and the pac 12 is likely the The underdog in every scenario. That’s not good.
I know this not a popular opinion as everyone out west likes to think they play football good out here too. This year if you don’t think auburn Florida or Georgia would not win the pac 12 I don’t think you are being honest. Auburn has likely beat the best team in the pac 12 in back to back years and they are a middle of the pack team in their conference. Florida and auburn are flawed teams for sure, but give me them over Oregon or Utah this year in a heartbeat. Auburn can barely complete a forward pass This year and still beat Oregon which is an embarrassment. Georgia bama and LSU physically are so much better physically than any team out west minus usc who has some good athletes but sucks.
Pick any team against any of those too 5 sec teams on a neutral field and the pac 12 is likely the The underdog in every scenario. That’s not good.
Auburn beat Georgia in a “neutral” site game. You think they could roll into Autzen or Seattle in early November and the that wouldn’t be a tough game? I really don’t think they would be favored in either.
I know that’s want your point but UW, Oregon, And Utah are pretty equal to Georgia, Florida, and Auburn.
Georgia can’t throw, has no WR’s, and just lost at home to South Carolina. I think those would be tough teams to bets and they would contend but they aren’t clearly better than a number of PAC 12 teams.
Oklahoma would have a lot tougher time going unbeaten in the PAC 12 than they do in the Big 12.
The PAC 12 is improving. ASU is a lot better than they were a few years ago. Utah has slowly but steadily improved. Oregon is improved. Cal is improved. The league is tougher than it was the last few years. Stanford is the only somewhat marquee team that has fell off.
Not saying the PAC 12 is better than the SEC, don’t twist. I just don’t think the PAC 12 is the midget the media and some here make it out to be.
This pussy self-loathing view of the Pac12 has manifested itself into the national narrative. Shit the fuck up, it's a middle of the road P5 conference this year. Being whiny bitches about it makes the situation worse.
The top 10 schools that had the most players selected in the 2019 NFL Draft.
Alabama – 10 Washington – 9 Ohio State – 9 Oklahoma – 8 Texas A&M – 7 Georgia – 7 Clemson – 6 Ole Miss – 6 Penn State – 6
With the exception of Clemson, the PAC 12 is overall better than the ACC. Huskies sent more players to the league in the 2019 Draft. Only one team did better in the Draft.
The PAC 12 is neck-and-neck with the Big 12.
Only one BIG Ten team you can say would be dominant in the PAC 12, and that team lost to Purdue last year. The next best consistant Big Ten team is Michigan, and they were blown out by Wisconsin, and barely beat Iowa 10 to 3.
So we are really just talking about the top of the SEC. The SEC literally vacuums up defensive linemen and offensive linemen from the South and the presumption of toughness that comes with it (even when it's unearned). And as @RoadDawg55 mentioned Georgia just lost to South Carolina.
So really only one true alpha in the SEC, Alabama. One dominant team in the Big Ten. One dominant team in ACC. And one dominant team in the Big 12.
Full circle, only problem with the PAC 12 is it has been too long without one or two consistently dominant teams (also Cal and Stanford are not shit teams...the losses aren't inexcusable, they're just frustrating).
UWs 2019 and 2020 classes may resolve the dominance problem.
“USC and Notre Dame, they’re always hitting me up, letting me know, they’re still interested in me,” said McMillan. “Coach (Keary) Colbert at USC and Coach (Delvaughn) Alexander at Notre Dame are the ones. They want me to take official visits there but I’m probably not doing that because I’m solid to Washington.”
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
I don't love the "probably" but I'm not particularly worried here.
I think the losses to shit teams have kids a little worried.
Cal and Stanford aren't shit teams. Cal was in the top 25 for nearly two weeks, and Stanford is always an above average D1. Competively, neither should ever really be overlooked.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
This pussy self-loathing view of the Pac12 has manifested itself into the national narrative. Shit the fuck up, it's a middle of the road P5 conference this year. Being whiny bitches about it makes the situation worse.
im not saying all those teams would go undefeated in the PAC 12. Barely anyone goes undefeated. But I don't think it would be that difficult for any of those 5 to win the conference this year.
this conference sucks until it doesn't. Ohio state embarrassed the conference champ in back to back years. again there is not a single team in conference that would favored on a neutral field against the top 5 of the premiere confence in the country. That's not good. Someone needs to step up and it doesn't appear like anyone will until usc gets their shit together. Uw Oregon and Utah are all better programs right now but not close to becoming elite. They are all going to live in the 15-25 range.
If you want to compare the PAC 12 vs the big 12 or big 10 that's or acc that's different after the top of each of those leagues. After Oklahoma Ohio state and Clemson those leagues have their own problems. Pac 12 is probably comparable to the big 10 after Ohio state.
Comments
Did you fucking search "animals" for like 10 mins to find that one?!
McMillan said he plans to sign in December then do track in the spring for San Joaquin Memorial, which doesn’t allow early graduation.
“Track in college is an option for me because it gets you in shape,” said McMillan.
PAC 12 teams are too close in talent level to each other (the other Power 5 conferences are top heavy, SEC Bama-LSU-Georgia, ACC Clemson, Big 10, Ohio State, Penn State, Wolverines, Big 12 Sooners, Longhorns ).
Believe UW's 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes will tip the scale.
Cal is good on defense. Their offense is garbage.
Have some freaking standards.
STFU or go back to doogman.
If you want teams in between the 12-25 rankings the league is okay.
The PAC 12 is missing an annual power like Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma. After that, there isn’t much difference in the quality of conferences. The parity after the top teams is strong in college football.
Auburn has likely beat the best team in the pac 12 in back to back years and they are a middle of the pack team in their conference.
Florida and auburn are flawed teams for sure, but give me them over Oregon or Utah this year in a heartbeat. Auburn can barely complete a forward pass This year and still beat Oregon which is an embarrassment.
Georgia bama and LSU physically are so much better physically than any team out west minus usc who has some good athletes but sucks.
Pick any team against any of those too 5 sec teams on a neutral field and the pac 12 is likely the The underdog in every scenario. That’s not good.
I know that’s want your point but UW, Oregon, And Utah are pretty equal to Georgia, Florida, and Auburn.
Georgia can’t throw, has no WR’s, and just lost at home to South Carolina. I think those would be tough teams to bets and they would contend but they aren’t clearly better than a number of PAC 12 teams.
Oklahoma would have a lot tougher time going unbeaten in the PAC 12 than they do in the Big 12.
The PAC 12 is improving. ASU is a lot better than they were a few years ago. Utah has slowly but steadily improved. Oregon is improved. Cal is improved. The league is tougher than it was the last few years. Stanford is the only somewhat marquee team that has fell off.
Not saying the PAC 12 is better than the SEC, don’t twist. I just don’t think the PAC 12 is the midget the media and some here make it out to be.
Alabama – 10
Washington – 9
Ohio State – 9
Oklahoma – 8
Texas A&M – 7
Georgia – 7
Clemson – 6
Ole Miss – 6
Penn State – 6
With the exception of Clemson, the PAC 12 is overall better than the ACC. Huskies sent more players to the league in the 2019 Draft. Only one team did better in the Draft.
The PAC 12 is neck-and-neck with the Big 12.
Only one BIG Ten team you can say would be dominant in the PAC 12, and that team lost to Purdue last year. The next best consistant Big Ten team is Michigan, and they were blown out by Wisconsin, and barely beat Iowa 10 to 3.
So we are really just talking about the top of the SEC. The SEC literally vacuums up defensive linemen and offensive linemen from the South and the presumption of toughness that comes with it (even when it's unearned). And as @RoadDawg55 mentioned Georgia just lost to South Carolina.
So really only one true alpha in the SEC, Alabama. One dominant team in the Big Ten. One dominant team in ACC. And one dominant team in the Big 12.
Full circle, only problem with the PAC 12 is it has been too long without one or two consistently dominant teams (also Cal and Stanford are not shit teams...the losses aren't inexcusable, they're just frustrating).
UWs 2019 and 2020 classes may resolve the dominance problem.
The end.
this conference sucks until it doesn't. Ohio state embarrassed the conference champ in back to back years. again there is not a single team in conference that would favored on a neutral field against the top 5 of the premiere confence in the country. That's not good. Someone needs to step up and it doesn't appear like anyone will until usc gets their shit together. Uw Oregon and Utah are all better programs right now but not close to becoming elite. They are all going to live in the 15-25 range.
If you want to compare the PAC 12 vs the big 12 or big 10 that's or acc that's different after the top of each of those leagues. After Oklahoma Ohio state and Clemson those leagues have their own problems. Pac 12 is probably comparable to the big 10 after Ohio state.