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Makell Esteen, 2020 3* DB, Lawndale (HS), CA (COMMITTED)

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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    They don’t have room
  • fosterworth
    fosterworth Member Posts: 73

    Greg Biggins 2 hours ago

    "Makell was a pretty heavy Oregon lean early in the spring and they're still talking with him right now but I don't think he's as high a priority as he once was. UW is pushing pretty hard and I think they're probably the team to beat right now."

    lol is Oregon buying their own bullshit in thinking they have a shot with Ringo or is this an acute case of WDWHA?
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    Greg Biggins 2 hours ago

    "Makell was a pretty heavy Oregon lean early in the spring and they're still talking with him right now but I don't think he's as high a priority as he once was. UW is pushing pretty hard and I think they're probably the team to beat right now."

    lol is Oregon buying their own bullshit in thinking they have a shot with Ringo or is this an acute case of WDWHA?
    Hopkins said Oregon is worried about his speed. That was over 2 months ago. It could be that UW offered and they figured they could chase an equivalent elsewhere.

    Who the hell knows?
  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,501
    Oregon stopped recruiting him when they thought they had Steele. Then they tried to get back with him and he wasnt having it
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited July 2019
    lawsandl said:

    Greg Biggins 2 hours ago

    "Makell was a pretty heavy Oregon lean early in the spring and they're still talking with him right now but I don't think he's as high a priority as he once was. UW is pushing pretty hard and I think they're probably the team to beat right now."

    lol is Oregon buying their own bullshit in thinking they have a shot with Ringo or is this an acute case of WDWHA?
    Hopkins said Oregon is worried about his speed. That was over 2 months ago. It could be that UW offered and they figured they could chase an equivalent elsewhere.

    Who the hell knows?
    Speed looks adequate for any DB position.

    https://youtu.be/3rrMfjY8l-Q
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited July 2019

    Oregon stopped recruiting him when they thought they had Steele. Then they tried to get back with him and he wasnt having it

    Steele's a corner. Esteen is a safety in college. Plus they are in different classes and Oregon has soft DB commits that'll sign elsewhere. They weren't related.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    Greg Biggins 2 hours ago

    "Makell was a pretty heavy Oregon lean early in the spring and they're still talking with him right now but I don't think he's as high a priority as he once was. UW is pushing pretty hard and I think they're probably the team to beat right now."

    So Biggie dropping the ODWHA logic
  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    edited July 2019
    So regardless--I'm sorry, irregardless--of whether it's true or not, what is the backstory to the "Biggins and Huffman hate UW" angle? There has to be more than just a couple really big reaches on Twitter. Did something actually happen in the past?
  • animate
    animate Member Posts: 4,245

    So regardless--I'm sorry, irregardless--of whether it's true or not, what is the backstory to the "Biggins and Huffman hate UW" angle? There has to be more than just a couple really big reaches on Twitter. Did something actually happen in the past?

    I think it's basically the angle that Biggins is a socal guy at his base that tries to be westcoast/pac12. he doesn't gush uw as much as we would want to although i don't get too ruffled by him. i think people read too much into it...
  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    edited July 2019
    animate said:

    So regardless--I'm sorry, irregardless--of whether it's true or not, what is the backstory to the "Biggins and Huffman hate UW" angle? There has to be more than just a couple really big reaches on Twitter. Did something actually happen in the past?

    I think it's basically the angle that Biggins is a socal guy at his base that tries to be westcoast/pac12. he doesn't gush uw as much as we would want to although i don't get too ruffled by him. i think people read too much into it...
    Yep. Biggins is a USC fan and he's getting an up close and personal look at the dude from the North fucking his special lady-friend, more or less. If there's animosity, it's pretty easy to understand.
  • IPukeOregonGrellow
    IPukeOregonGrellow Member Posts: 2,183

    Greg Biggins 2 hours ago

    "Makell was a pretty heavy Oregon lean early in the spring and they're still talking with him right now but I don't think he's as high a priority as he once was. UW is pushing pretty hard and I think they're probably the team to beat right now."

    lol is Oregon buying their own bullshit in thinking they have a shot with Ringo or is this an acute case of WDWHA?
    I think moor pointedly, his spot with us? was filled by Greenfield, who in turn went through a "I really like North Carolina" phase when Steele was committed to Oregon, talked about pushing back his commitment date, then committed to Oregon somewhat out of the blue on the original date when Steele went to SC.

    FWIW, if I were to set a Crystal Dong DB class for us? right now, it would be Slusher/Williams, Greenfield, Hill, John Humphrey, with one of Slusher or Williams flipping to Georgia.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.
  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    Smith’s not going to Oregon hth!
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    Smith’s not going to Oregon hth!

    Right. The general consensus is UW.
  • LaMichael_Corleone
    LaMichael_Corleone Member Posts: 1,316
    Esteen can play wherever the hell he wants.
  • animate
    animate Member Posts: 4,245
    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    edited July 2019
    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
  • Dawg_Stan1
    Dawg_Stan1 Member Posts: 45
    lawsandl said:

    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
    You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

    Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    lawsandl said:

    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
    You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

    Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.
    Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

    Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.
  • KrunkJuice
    KrunkJuice Member Posts: 2,070
    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
    You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

    Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.
    Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

    Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.
    Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    edited July 2019

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
    You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

    Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.
    Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

    Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.
    Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.
    How would I know that? That is a fluid situation. Everyone will have a clearer picture after camp.

    The only spots locked in are Graham, Lenior and Holland. PIckett will battle Hailassie and McKinley will battle Woods and Hill.

    It also wouldn’t surprise me to see Wright take a starting role at some point next year. He’s different. Likewise, Graham will graduate and as much as Huskies downplay his talent, he is getting national recognition.

    Breeze could not play his 5th year or graduate transfer unless he greatly improves, Stephens needs to figure out the playbook,

    They moved Hailassie, so there is room for a couple cbs in this class.
  • KrunkJuice
    KrunkJuice Member Posts: 2,070
    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
    You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

    Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.
    Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

    Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.
    Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.
    How would I know that? That is a fluid situation. Everyone will have a clearer picture after camp.

    The only spots locked in are Graham, Lenior and Holland. PIckett will battle Hailassie and McKinley will battle Woods and Hill.

    It also wouldn’t surprise me to see Wright take a starting role at some point next year. He’s different. Likewise, Graham will graduate and as much as Huskies downplay his talent, he is getting national recognition.

    Breeze could not play his 5th year or graduate transfer unless he greatly improves, Stephens needs to figure out the playbook,

    They moved Hailassie, so there is room for a couple cbs in this class.
    Speculation. My point was if a guy like Wright and Holland can't win the job and the guys I listed do not go pro, there will be come attrition. I thought you may have a scoop.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
    You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

    Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.
    Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

    Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.
    Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.
    How would I know that? That is a fluid situation. Everyone will have a clearer picture after camp.

    The only spots locked in are Graham, Lenior and Holland. PIckett will battle Hailassie and McKinley will battle Woods and Hill.

    It also wouldn’t surprise me to see Wright take a starting role at some point next year. He’s different. Likewise, Graham will graduate and as much as Huskies downplay his talent, he is getting national recognition.

    Breeze could not play his 5th year or graduate transfer unless he greatly improves, Stephens needs to figure out the playbook,

    They moved Hailassie, so there is room for a couple cbs in this class.
    Speculation. My point was if a guy like Wright and Holland can't win the job and the guys I listed do not go pro, there will be come attrition. I thought you may have a scoop.
    That’s kind of the Saban model of roster management. There is no scoop to be had. Btw, there is a low probability that Wright doesn’t win out at some point even if both stay. Wright has the most upside and it was evident in spring. He has better top end speed, he physically more impressive and he showed instincts.
  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,327
    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
    You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

    Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.
    Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

    Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.
    Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.
    How would I know that? That is a fluid situation. Everyone will have a clearer picture after camp.

    The only spots locked in are Graham, Lenior and Holland. PIckett will battle Hailassie and McKinley will battle Woods and Hill.

    It also wouldn’t surprise me to see Wright take a starting role at some point next year. He’s different. Likewise, Graham will graduate and as much as Huskies downplay his talent, he is getting national recognition.

    Breeze could not play his 5th year or graduate transfer unless he greatly improves, Stephens needs to figure out the playbook,

    They moved Hailassie, so there is room for a couple cbs in this class.
    Graham is getting hype. But that's typical for a highly touted recruit that plays early. Every time I have watched him I have not been impressed. I honestly thought your corners would be really good as Hayward did a pretty good job at uw.i liked holland as a freshman though. Maybe they put it together this year but I have been underwhelmed.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    animate said:

    lawsandl said:

    Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

    Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...
    He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

    Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.
    You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

    Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.
    Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

    Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.
    Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.
    How would I know that? That is a fluid situation. Everyone will have a clearer picture after camp.

    The only spots locked in are Graham, Lenior and Holland. PIckett will battle Hailassie and McKinley will battle Woods and Hill.

    It also wouldn’t surprise me to see Wright take a starting role at some point next year. He’s different. Likewise, Graham will graduate and as much as Huskies downplay his talent, he is getting national recognition.

    Breeze could not play his 5th year or graduate transfer unless he greatly improves, Stephens needs to figure out the playbook,

    They moved Hailassie, so there is room for a couple cbs in this class.
    Graham is getting hype. But that's typical for a highly touted recruit that plays early. Every time I have watched him I have not been impressed. I honestly thought your corners would be really good as Hayward did a pretty good job at uw.i liked holland as a freshman though. Maybe they put it together this year but I have been underwhelmed.
    Bottom line Graham and Lenior weren’t stater material as true frosh but they had to play. Corners typically take their knocks early in their career. UW has the luxury of redshirting good talent. That will be the case at Oregon soon.

    They also made good strides the end of the year.