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HURTFULAIRWOLF said:
I agree with this. It is one thing to be fearless in discussing things that can't be talked about elsewhere because they will be shouted down with (unfair) charges of racism, like the fast strategy/slow strategy stuff. A lot of the stuff on here isn't in that category. I actually believe most of it is satirical and/or in jest, but it is still a bad look. I've been guilty of that at times, for sure.pat_hm said:
This entire message board is naive and borderline racist. You have people starting threads after we offered a kid with “(dark skinned)” in parenthesis. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the majority of posters have never left Seattle/Western Washington which isn’t exactly the cradle of diversity.FremontTroll said:I expect DDY to come in guns blazing in 3, 2, 1 to learn y'all....some of the takes in this thread are extremely naive and borderline racist.
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We? have Norwegians, Swedes and Danes. We have 'Bodes, Laotians, and Viets. We have queers, genderqueers, trannies, drags, nonbinaries, flamers, bears and trykes. There's diversity coming out the ass. Get woke, bruh.pat_hm said:
This entire message board is naive and borderline racist. You have people starting threads after we offered a kid with “(dark skinned)” in parenthesis. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the majority of posters have never left Seattle/Western Washington which isn’t exactly the cradle of diversity.FremontTroll said:I expect DDY to come in guns blazing in 3, 2, 1 to learn y'all....some of the takes in this thread are extremely naive and borderline racist.
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I don't get this at all. Oregon recruits mostly 3 stars with a handful of 4 stars just like you guys.pat_hm said:Oregon recruits strictly fast strategy...how many guys did they put into the league this year???
The PTSD of 12 in a row has fucked with a lot of Dwag's in regard of what Oregon really is in the here and now. -
You really don't really have any idea what you are talking about.salemcoog said:
I don't get this at all. Oregon recruits mostly 3 stars with a handful of 4 stars just like you guys.pat_hm said:Oregon recruits strictly fast strategy...how many guys did they put into the league this year???
The PTSD of 12 in a row has fucked with a lot of Dwag's in regard of what Oregon really is in the here and now.
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Then by all means, do continue to over value a program due to their status 5 years ago.AIRWOLF said:
You really don't really have any idea what you are talking about.salemcoog said:
I don't get this at all. Oregon recruits mostly 3 stars with a handful of 4 stars just like you guys.pat_hm said:Oregon recruits strictly fast strategy...how many guys did they put into the league this year???
The PTSD of 12 in a row has fucked with a lot of Dwag's in regard of what Oregon really is in the here and now.
CPOTD
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It's the type of players Oregon targets. Oregon targets me first players while Petersen targets team first players.salemcoog said:
I don't get this at all. Oregon recruits mostly 3 stars with a handful of 4 stars just like you guys.pat_hm said:Oregon recruits strictly fast strategy...how many guys did they put into the league this year???
The PTSD of 12 in a row has fucked with a lot of Dwag's in regard of what Oregon really is in the here and now.
This article is a perfect example of the type of 4 star Oregon goes after...It's all about him. Not once does he mention his team or winning. It's just me me me me me. Our two cultures couldn't be more different imo.
“I’m not concerned by the numbers because I’m trying to eat," he told DuckTerritory with eDuck prior to Thursday's practice. "I’m trying to make the most of my time here.
"I’m ready to show that I’m the best in the nation," he said. "I'm beyond ready."
That ego has been repaired in part by new cornerback coach Donte Williams. Lenoir and Williams go way back. The pair first met when Lenoir was a freshman at Salesian and Williams an up-and-comer at San Jose State. Williams continued to recruit him at every stop before losing out to the Ducks.
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OK, so yeah, fast strategy is an actual science thingy. It’s not about what HS you go to. So you are talking about stuff completely different, like you said.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
I just want to make sure the fast strategy stuff doesn’t get tied to what you are talking about. -
I'm going to do the unprecedented around here and admit my reaction to your post was probably a bit unfair. Oregon's recruiting profile has been stronger than UW's until the last year or two, though, as you point out, not massively different. But benchmarking against them has nothing to do with PTSD and everything to do with Oregon being our regional competition for recruits and the other program in our immediate neighborhood in recruiting pecking order within the conference.salemcoog said:
Then by all means, do continue to over value a program due to their status 5 years ago.AIRWOLF said:
You really don't really have any idea what you are talking about.salemcoog said:
I don't get this at all. Oregon recruits mostly 3 stars with a handful of 4 stars just like you guys.pat_hm said:Oregon recruits strictly fast strategy...how many guys did they put into the league this year???
The PTSD of 12 in a row has fucked with a lot of Dwag's in regard of what Oregon really is in the here and now.
CPOTD
Doog like that.
The tides in recruiting can sometimes take that long to turn. That is especially true for Petersen's substance-based approach. Oregon is still pretty successful selling hype and flash, despite their notable lack of on-field performance.
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Wait, did I miss the mention of black people?GrundleStiltzkin said:
We? have Norwegians, Swedes and Danes. We have 'Bodes, Laotians, and Viets. We have queers, genderqueers, trannies, drags, nonbinaries, flamers, bears and trykes. There's diversity coming out the ass. Get woke, bruh.pat_hm said:
This entire message board is naive and borderline racist. You have people starting threads after we offered a kid with “(dark skinned)” in parenthesis. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the majority of posters have never left Seattle/Western Washington which isn’t exactly the cradle of diversity.FremontTroll said:I expect DDY to come in guns blazing in 3, 2, 1 to learn y'all....some of the takes in this thread are extremely naive and borderline racist.
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Huh?DoogCourics said:
Wait, did I miss the mention of black people?GrundleStiltzkin said:
We? have Norwegians, Swedes and Danes. We have 'Bodes, Laotians, and Viets. We have queers, genderqueers, trannies, drags, nonbinaries, flamers, bears and trykes. There's diversity coming out the ass. Get woke, bruh.pat_hm said:
This entire message board is naive and borderline racist. You have people starting threads after we offered a kid with “(dark skinned)” in parenthesis. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the majority of posters have never left Seattle/Western Washington which isn’t exactly the cradle of diversity.FremontTroll said:I expect DDY to come in guns blazing in 3, 2, 1 to learn y'all....some of the takes in this thread are extremely naive and borderline racist.
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I missed my flight back to Cali and finally read this thread. As I get wasted for the next 4 hours at an airport bar, here are my thoughts.
The whole chicken and the egg, nature versus nurture argument is ongoing and everlasting.
I can comfortably say as a half Hispanic white male I've done well by myself being a traveling corporate salesman.
BUT. I in no way fulfilled my potential as what I want to accomplish. It's easy to sit behind your keyboard and say well if I was 6'7" and ran a 4.4 and had a 40 inch vert I would care enough to make sure I made millions.
You don't! That's what Lake and Pete's message is about: You have the tools, do you give a fuck enough?
Look inward and if you're not where you want to be maybe you're not an O KK G -
I don’t know about you guys. Pete gets paid 7 figures to do this shit. So I trust him and his staff. Even though it might
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The sample sizes would be too small but none the less I wonder what these percentages look like for Pete & Co.Gladstone said: -
Can you "DM" me the deets please. Askin for a fren.GrundleStiltzkin said:
We? have Norwegians, Swedes and Danes. We have 'Bodes, Laotians, and Viets. We have queers, genderqueers, trannies, drags, nonbinaries, flamers, bears and trykes. There's diversity coming out the ass. Get woke, bruh.pat_hm said:
This entire message board is naive and borderline racist. You have people starting threads after we offered a kid with “(dark skinned)” in parenthesis. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the majority of posters have never left Seattle/Western Washington which isn’t exactly the cradle of diversity.FremontTroll said:I expect DDY to come in guns blazing in 3, 2, 1 to learn y'all....some of the takes in this thread are extremely naive and borderline racist.
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Actual science thingy superiority guyCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
OK, so yeah, fast strategy is an actual science thingy. It’s not about what HS you go to. So you are talking about stuff completely different, like you said.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
I just want to make sure the fast strategy stuff doesn’t get tied to what you are talking about. -
https://www.thestranger.com/news/2017/10/04/25451102/we-snuck-into-seattles-super-secret-white-nationalist-conventionpat_hm said:
This entire message board is naive and borderline racist. You have people starting threads after we offered a kid with “(dark skinned)” in parenthesis. It’s embarrassing. It’s almost like the majority of posters have never left Seattle/Western Washington which isn’t exactly the cradle of diversity.FremontTroll said:I expect DDY to come in guns blazing in 3, 2, 1 to learn y'all....some of the takes in this thread are extremely naive and borderline racist.
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The two are closely related in many cases. Some high schools are predominately fed by more impoverished communities.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
OK, so yeah, fast strategy is an actual science thingy. It’s not about what HS you go to. So you are talking about stuff completely different, like you said.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
I just want to make sure the fast strategy stuff doesn’t get tied to what you are talking about.
http://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/45358/too-white-to-win-now-enhanced-with-an-evolutionary-biology-lecture/p1
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Hardcore Husky is your source. LolMad_Son said:
The two are closely related in many cases. Some high schools are predominately fed by more impoverished communities.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
OK, so yeah, fast strategy is an actual science thingy. It’s not about what HS you go to. So you are talking about stuff completely different, like you said.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
I just want to make sure the fast strategy stuff doesn’t get tied to what you are talking about.
http://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/45358/too-white-to-win-now-enhanced-with-an-evolutionary-biology-lecture/p1 -
Not enough chins.Doogles said:I missed my flight back to Cali and finally read this thread. As I get wasted for the next 4 hours at an airport bar, here are my thoughts.
The whole chicken and the egg, nature versus nurture argument is ongoing and everlasting.
I can comfortably say as a half Hispanic white male I've done well by myself being a traveling corporate salesman.
BUT. I in no way fulfilled my potential as what I want to accomplish. It's easy to sit behind your keyboard and say well if I was 6'7" and ran a 4.4 and had a 40 inch vert I would care enough to make sure I made millions.
You don't! That's what Lake and Pete's message is about: You have the tools, do you give a fuck enough?
Look inward and if you're not where you want to be maybe you're not an O KK G
Welcome to the club, my fellow half breed. -
Kids are malleable and feed off the culture they are a part of. The problem is not CP's culture once they get here- that culture is strong enough at this point with all the winning to get near universal buy in.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
The issue is selling to the kids that are more egotistical and focused on the nfl. (Maybe, just maybe, because they are the only person who ever cared about themselves and the nfl was always their only way out.)
We do ourselves a disservice by ruling out half the 4/5* west coast talent right off the bat. Yes, it might be more difficult to close on a Treshaun but overall if we want our recruiting to reach the next level we need a bigger talent pool to draw from. Going after slow strategy and poly kids in Georgia probably isn't going to pay huge dividends.
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Not at all.CuntWaffle said:Aren't a lot of poly players fast strategy?
"Lotulelei returned to the University of Utah for his senior year, and started in all 12 games at nose tackle..."
Rare for Polys to leave early. Star would have been a 1st round draft pick after his junior year. Dude wanted that sociology degree and he got it.
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one Poly who left early. Sealver Siliga. Found out after he left he absolutely hated school and wanted out asap. -
Agree and disagree with this.FremontTroll said:
Kids are malleable and feed off the culture they are a part of. The problem is not CP's culture once they get here- that culture is strong enough at this point with all the winning to get near universal buy in.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
The issue is selling to the kids that are more egotistical and focused on the nfl. (Maybe, just maybe, because they are the only person who ever cared about themselves and the nfl was always their only way out.)
We do ourselves a disservice by ruling out half the 4/5* west coast talent right off the bat. Yes, it might be more difficult to close on a Treshaun but overall if we want our recruiting to reach the next level we need a bigger talent pool to draw from. Going after slow strategy and poly kids in Georgia probably isn't going to pay huge dividends.
Petersen and staff definitely need to do more work on "overcoming objections" in their pitch to fast strategy types and may very well need to tailor their message in a way that is more easily received by those of that background.
But they don't need to change the message nor the philosophy behind it.
And some guys just aren't going to fit with what Petersen expects in a player. Treshaun is likely a pretty good example of that kind of kid. -
Faith, Family, Football89ute said:
Not at all.CuntWaffle said:Aren't a lot of poly players fast strategy?
"Lotulelei returned to the University of Utah for his senior year, and started in all 12 games at nose tackle..."
Rare for Polys to leave early. Star would have been a 1st round draft pick after his junior year. Dude wanted that sociology degree and he got it.
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one Poly who left early. Sealver Siliga. Found out after he left he absolutely hated school and wanted out asap.
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I pretty much just see it as Pete needs to loosen up a bit and have a bit more fun especially during the recruiting process. "It's college football recruiting. It's not that serious." Protestant stoic work ethic is good and all but take a few pages from Carroll or Phil Jackson and let players be who they are and have some fun while working their asses off. I've seen some evidence of this with Pete's Hawaiian shirt and some of the more recent tweets. He'll get there it just may take some time for him to do so, much like many other things we have bitched about.AIRWOLF said:
Agree and disagree with this.FremontTroll said:
Kids are malleable and feed off the culture they are a part of. The problem is not CP's culture once they get here- that culture is strong enough at this point with all the winning to get near universal buy in.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
The issue is selling to the kids that are more egotistical and focused on the nfl. (Maybe, just maybe, because they are the only person who ever cared about themselves and the nfl was always their only way out.)
We do ourselves a disservice by ruling out half the 4/5* west coast talent right off the bat. Yes, it might be more difficult to close on a Treshaun but overall if we want our recruiting to reach the next level we need a bigger talent pool to draw from. Going after slow strategy and poly kids in Georgia probably isn't going to pay huge dividends.
Petersen and staff definitely need to do more work on "overcoming objections" in their pitch to fast strategy types and may very well need to tailor their message in a way that is more easily received by those of that background.
But they don't need to change the message nor the philosophy behind it.
And some guys just aren't going to fit with what Petersen expects in a player. Treshaun is likely a pretty good example of that kind of kid. -
Winning games always has been and always will be the best recruiting pitch. Fast strategy or slow strategy, human nature will always attract people to a winning situation. Petersen won't have to change much if he keeps putting up double digit win seasons. All signs point to him doing just that.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I pretty much just see it as Pete needs to loosen up a bit and have a bit more fun especially during the recruiting process. "It's college football recruiting. It's not that serious." Protestant stoic work ethic is good and all but take a few pages from Carroll or Phil Jackson and let players be who they are and have some fun while working their asses off. I've seen some evidence of this with Pete's Hawaiian shirt and some of the more recent tweets. He'll get there it just may take some time for him to do so, much like many other things we have bitched about.AIRWOLF said:
Agree and disagree with this.FremontTroll said:
Kids are malleable and feed off the culture they are a part of. The problem is not CP's culture once they get here- that culture is strong enough at this point with all the winning to get near universal buy in.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
The issue is selling to the kids that are more egotistical and focused on the nfl. (Maybe, just maybe, because they are the only person who ever cared about themselves and the nfl was always their only way out.)
We do ourselves a disservice by ruling out half the 4/5* west coast talent right off the bat. Yes, it might be more difficult to close on a Treshaun but overall if we want our recruiting to reach the next level we need a bigger talent pool to draw from. Going after slow strategy and poly kids in Georgia probably isn't going to pay huge dividends.
Petersen and staff definitely need to do more work on "overcoming objections" in their pitch to fast strategy types and may very well need to tailor their message in a way that is more easily received by those of that background.
But they don't need to change the message nor the philosophy behind it.
And some guys just aren't going to fit with what Petersen expects in a player. Treshaun is likely a pretty good example of that kind of kid. -
Now that sarks influence is finally gone all signs point to a long slow downward spiral.whuggy said:
Winning games always has been and always will be the best recruiting pitch. Fast strategy or slow strategy, human nature will always attract people to a winning situation. Petersen won't have to change much if he keeps putting up double digit win seasons. All signs point to him doing just that.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I pretty much just see it as Pete needs to loosen up a bit and have a bit more fun especially during the recruiting process. "It's college football recruiting. It's not that serious." Protestant stoic work ethic is good and all but take a few pages from Carroll or Phil Jackson and let players be who they are and have some fun while working their asses off. I've seen some evidence of this with Pete's Hawaiian shirt and some of the more recent tweets. He'll get there it just may take some time for him to do so, much like many other things we have bitched about.AIRWOLF said:
Agree and disagree with this.FremontTroll said:
Kids are malleable and feed off the culture they are a part of. The problem is not CP's culture once they get here- that culture is strong enough at this point with all the winning to get near universal buy in.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
The issue is selling to the kids that are more egotistical and focused on the nfl. (Maybe, just maybe, because they are the only person who ever cared about themselves and the nfl was always their only way out.)
We do ourselves a disservice by ruling out half the 4/5* west coast talent right off the bat. Yes, it might be more difficult to close on a Treshaun but overall if we want our recruiting to reach the next level we need a bigger talent pool to draw from. Going after slow strategy and poly kids in Georgia probably isn't going to pay huge dividends.
Petersen and staff definitely need to do more work on "overcoming objections" in their pitch to fast strategy types and may very well need to tailor their message in a way that is more easily received by those of that background.
But they don't need to change the message nor the philosophy behind it.
And some guys just aren't going to fit with what Petersen expects in a player. Treshaun is likely a pretty good example of that kind of kid. -
Kim's alt-handle.... EXPOSED!!!11!Pitchfork51 said:
Now that sarks influence is finally gone all signs point to a long slow downward spiral.whuggy said:
Winning games always has been and always will be the best recruiting pitch. Fast strategy or slow strategy, human nature will always attract people to a winning situation. Petersen won't have to change much if he keeps putting up double digit win seasons. All signs point to him doing just that.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I pretty much just see it as Pete needs to loosen up a bit and have a bit more fun especially during the recruiting process. "It's college football recruiting. It's not that serious." Protestant stoic work ethic is good and all but take a few pages from Carroll or Phil Jackson and let players be who they are and have some fun while working their asses off. I've seen some evidence of this with Pete's Hawaiian shirt and some of the more recent tweets. He'll get there it just may take some time for him to do so, much like many other things we have bitched about.AIRWOLF said:
Agree and disagree with this.FremontTroll said:
Kids are malleable and feed off the culture they are a part of. The problem is not CP's culture once they get here- that culture is strong enough at this point with all the winning to get near universal buy in.pat_hm said:
If you consider Budda Baker and Kevin King fast strategy then we’re talking apples and oranges here. My definition is completely different than yours then. Of course I love those guys. But Bellevue and Bishop O’Dowd are light years different than some of the high schools /areas down in Southern California. Those are palaces compared to Hawthorne, Compton and Long Beach. I remember seeing a picture of Budda in Hawaii with the Bowman’s when he was in HS; the kids I’ve worked with haven’t even been to Santa Monica before and they live in LA...CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I like Budda Bakers also!pat_hm said:
Have any of you actually had conversations with said kids? I have. Oregon knows what they want to hear and they eat it up. You mean I can smoke weed and play Xbox in the locker room and wear cool uniforms and get Jordan’s SIGN ME UP! That’s why I mean. Petersen isn’t going to play that game so why waste the time? Do I think he could lighten up a bit and have more fun with it? Yes. Absolutely. I think we started to see that a bit this past class. I just believe It’s a lost cause wasting resources on “talent” that thinks so short term. Coach Pete agrees with me. And clearly programs like Oregon and USC either 1) don’t tell them the entire truth or 2) are banking on their god given talent and will deal with the other issues in the future. The risk is massive underachievement and attrition.Gladstone said:
Agreed. Well said.pat_hm said:I also think it’s easy to look at 247 and see these guys and get upset weren’t not offering but we don’t know the real story. Petersen does his homework. There’s a reason. The recruiting has improved every season and with that the # of guys entering the league will only increase. We’re talking 10 next year.
Doogism.pat_hm said:
If that’s not enough to convince some kid to attend UW over USC/Oregon then they’re not worth the time to begin with.
I’m sorry but I like the Will Dissly’s in the program. They create the culture and expection. Treshawns don’t.
Why can’t we have both?
It’s not hard to spot a cancer. Go watch Tresahwns commitment video and tell why you think he would have been a positive influence on this team. Go read the quotes by Deommore Lenoir this offseason. There are reasons we don’t bring certain personalities into this culture. See why James Osborne has said about ego’s. This is why I’m eluding to. The guys who’s only goal is to get to the NFL in three years and get paid. Cancers.
The issue is selling to the kids that are more egotistical and focused on the nfl. (Maybe, just maybe, because they are the only person who ever cared about themselves and the nfl was always their only way out.)
We do ourselves a disservice by ruling out half the 4/5* west coast talent right off the bat. Yes, it might be more difficult to close on a Treshaun but overall if we want our recruiting to reach the next level we need a bigger talent pool to draw from. Going after slow strategy and poly kids in Georgia probably isn't going to pay huge dividends.
Petersen and staff definitely need to do more work on "overcoming objections" in their pitch to fast strategy types and may very well need to tailor their message in a way that is more easily received by those of that background.
But they don't need to change the message nor the philosophy behind it.
And some guys just aren't going to fit with what Petersen expects in a player. Treshaun is likely a pretty good example of that kind of kid.
