Would a 1970 Beatles album have been their greatest work? Aka higher level Fab 4 discussion
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Yep. I’m with you on most of this... but John basically said “Fuck writing melodies” once Paul was gone.YellowSnow said:
No love for "Mother"? Mother you had me, but I never had you, is as Fast Strategy as it gets. Lennon's first 2 solo efforts - i.e., Plastic Ono and Imagine - we're both classic and ground breaking in their own way. George's first album had closer to 7 or 8 really good songs. Paul had good songs all the way through Band on the Run including all that you mentioned. Hell, I can even get into Venus and Mars / Rock Show when I'm in the mood.Dennis_DeYoung said:Wings is one of the best bands ever.
The thing is, John was like the banana in a banana split. You take him out of that shit, you've just got a banana... but it sets off the ice cream and ice cream by itself is better than ice cream with something a little bitter or natural; so Paul was always a little too goofy and shit, but the Wings albums are pretty fucking money.
Still, let's never forget that Lennon did fucking 'Whatever gets you through the night'. Let's not act like he was some fucking amazing artist in the 70s. He was a madman when he lived in LA and used to hang out at my favorite LA bar, the Rainbow with Mickey Dolenz, Alice Cooper, Harry Nilsson, Ringo Starr, Keith Moon and Bob Brown.
My favorite Lennon song following the Beatles (well, I suppose he was still technically in the Beatles) is 'Hold on John'.
But his albums past imagine are dry as fuck. Ringo never did anything worthwhile and George had like 3 good songs (Wah Wah, What is Life, Awaiting on You All, maybe a couple more).
Wings has endless fucking amazing songs. Sure, some are corny - but Jet is fucking amazing, Let Me Roll It, the aforementioned Every Night, Some People Never Know, Tomorrow... Another Day.
Fucking Lennon went to shit, man. He had Imagine and Jealous Guy and that's pretty much it. Oh Yoko is okay if you're in the mood.
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One of my pet peeves with music is when I hear somebody criticize somebody for putting out something “poppy” (translated commercial and popular) vs something pushing limits and/or speaking to societal issues. There’s room for both and one isn’t necessarily better than the other.
It’s like watching a movie and seeing a nominated movies being some indy production that addresses a social issue or whatever yet makes little at the box office and can be a chore to watch. In contrast you have movies from someone like Adam Sandler that will rarely be accused of being thought provoking yet make you smile/laugh, are easy watches, and tend to make a lot of money.
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I'll preface this comment by noting that the Beatles are not my favorite band of all time - the Rolling Stones are GOAT - but one of the things that sets the Beatles apart really from almost any other artists in history (doesn't matter we're talking painting, music, etc.) is that they were simultaneously the BEST and the MOST POPULAR at their craft. Elvis, for instance, was the most popular of his era, but hard to say if he was the best.Tequilla said:One of my pet peeves with music is when I hear somebody criticize somebody for putting out something “poppy” (translated commercial and popular) vs something pushing limits and/or speaking to societal issues. There’s room for both and one isn’t necessarily better than the other.
It’s like watching a movie and seeing a nominated movies being some indy production that addresses a social issue or whatever yet makes little at the box office and can be a chore to watch. In contrast you have movies from someone like Adam Sandler that will rarely be accused of being thought provoking yet make you smile/laugh, are easy watches, and tend to make a lot of money.
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That’s really the unicorn combo right?YellowSnow said:
I'll preface this comment by noting that the Beatles are not my favorite band of all time - the Rolling Stones are GOAT - but one of the things that sets the Beatles apart really from almost any other artists in history (doesn't matter we're talking painting, music, etc.) is that they were simultaneously the BEST and the MOST POPULAR at their craft. Elvis, for instance, was the most popular of his era, but hard to say if he was the best.Tequilla said:One of my pet peeves with music is when I hear somebody criticize somebody for putting out something “poppy” (translated commercial and popular) vs something pushing limits and/or speaking to societal issues. There’s room for both and one isn’t necessarily better than the other.
It’s like watching a movie and seeing a nominated movies being some indy production that addresses a social issue or whatever yet makes little at the box office and can be a chore to watch. In contrast you have movies from someone like Adam Sandler that will rarely be accused of being thought provoking yet make you smile/laugh, are easy watches, and tend to make a lot of money.
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How many times has that happened in history where the best band/artist was the most popular? Maybe just The Beatles and peak Jacko ... and in both instances that “top of the mountain” status only really maintains for a short period of time -
Watching the Wheels is a better song than any song Paul did post Beatles.
John and Paul's best shit all came from the Beatles, though. Paul was more of a technical writer/composer, and John was more of a groove writer/composer.
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Couldn't agree more.Fenderbender123 said:Watching the Wheels is a better song than any song Paul did post Beatles.
John and Paul's best shit all came from the Beatles, though. Paul was more of a technical writer/composer, and John was more of a groove writer/composer. -
Watching the wheels is better than anything Paul did after 1973. Up till Band on the Run, he had some great tracks on his early solo albums.Fenderbender123 said:Watching the Wheels is a better song than any song Paul did post Beatles.
John and Paul's best shit all came from the Beatles, though. Paul was more of a technical writer/composer, and John was more of a groove writer/composer. -
They were good, but I wouldn't put them in one of the best bands ever category.Dennis_DeYoung said:Wings is one of the best bands ever.
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I missed this show when they rolled through town in 1976, but had a copy of Wings over America on eight track. It did manage to get played enough for both tapes to be eaten (the demise of many eight track tapes).
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Or if youre Wes AndersonDennis_DeYoung said:Oh Yoko is okay if you're in the mood.
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That fucko Wes has been plagiarizing my shitty soundtrack ideas for year. The Who's "A Quick One While He's Away" was heavy in my rotation well before Rushmore.WilburHooksHands said:
