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Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
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I didn't read the article, but I'm guessing that they have a budget shortfall so this is their clever plan to hide behind the "reduce congestion and greenhouse gasses" stuff and rake in the money.
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Would be nice if Port orchard did the same. Traffic was awful there 25 years ago and isn't any better now. They should put a toll on the new Tremont road work.DerekJohnson said:I didn't read the article, but I'm guessing that they have a budget shortfall so this is their clever plan to hide behind the "reduce congestion and greenhouse gasses" stuff and rake in the money.
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All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
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It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
And after destroying so much to build it, they still fucked it up. That, in a nutshell, is how government works.DerekJohnson said:
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
Fuck all governments. They are the worst of necessary evils.Swaye said:
And after destroying so much to build it, they still fucked it up. That, in a nutshell, is how government works.DerekJohnson said:
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
That and they built a convention center over the freeway, essentially making it where you can't expand and right there it's basically 2 Lanes each way.DerekJohnson said:
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace. -
The head of Washington State Transportation in the 60's when the 5 was completed was a regular at our house at the parent's bridge club. The state wanted to put the 5 through Yelm and avoid the bottle neck with a spur to Tacoma and Seattle. Downtown merchants put an end to it. The two lanes downtown was by design to encourage people to drive through town and spend money
We were transitioning from the 99 that went through every town to these new freeway things and every town freaked out about it -
Turns out it’s a great urban camping site for those who don’t have the ability to camp elsewhere.2001400ex said:
That and they built a convention center over the freeway, essentially making it where you can't expand and right there it's basically 2 Lanes each way.DerekJohnson said:
It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.NEsnake12 said:
All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.Dude61 said:Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.
Beatutiful.
So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace.
