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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I didn't read the article, but I'm guessing that they have a budget shortfall so this is their clever plan to hide behind the "reduce congestion and greenhouse gasses" stuff and rake in the money.

    Would be nice if Port orchard did the same. Traffic was awful there 25 years ago and isn't any better now. They should put a toll on the new Tremont road work.
  • NEsnake12NEsnake12 Member Posts: 3,792
    Dude61 said:

    Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.

    Beatutiful.

    All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.

    So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace.
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,482 Founders Club
    NEsnake12 said:

    Dude61 said:

    Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.

    Beatutiful.

    All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.

    So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace.
    It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    NEsnake12 said:

    Dude61 said:

    Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.

    Beatutiful.

    All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.

    So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace.
    It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.
    That and they built a convention center over the freeway, essentially making it where you can't expand and right there it's basically 2 Lanes each way.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club
    The head of Washington State Transportation in the 60's when the 5 was completed was a regular at our house at the parent's bridge club. The state wanted to put the 5 through Yelm and avoid the bottle neck with a spur to Tacoma and Seattle. Downtown merchants put an end to it. The two lanes downtown was by design to encourage people to drive through town and spend money

    We were transitioning from the 99 that went through every town to these new freeway things and every town freaked out about it
  • DeepSeaZDeepSeaZ Member Posts: 3,901
    2001400ex said:

    NEsnake12 said:

    Dude61 said:

    Design a city to create congestion, then tax the congestion you created.

    Beatutiful.

    All of Seattle’s traffic problems trace back to shitty highway design in the 60’s. All the I-5 entrances are poorly designed funnels, and so many of them lead to entering the highway on the left when you need to merge 4-5 lanes to the right within a half mile to exit. Nothing that can be changed about that now.

    So their “solutions” are revenue driving taxes and mass transit systems that are being built at a snails pace.
    It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I remember reading some of the accounts of I-5 being built through downtown Seattle. Restaurants, businesses and homes that had been there for decades were razed to make way for the cement asphalt mixers. @RaceBannon might be able to describe what that time was like since he lived through it.
    That and they built a convention center over the freeway, essentially making it where you can't expand and right there it's basically 2 Lanes each way.
    Turns out it’s a great urban camping site for those who don’t have the ability to camp elsewhere.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    The head of Washington State Transportation in the 60's when the 5 was completed was a regular at our house at the parent's bridge club. The state wanted to put the 5 through Yelm and avoid the bottle neck with a spur to Tacoma and Seattle. Downtown merchants put an end to it. The two lanes downtown was by design to encourage people to drive through town and spend money

    We were transitioning from the 99 that went through every town to these new freeway things and every town freaked out about it

    Same thing more recently up in Sequim. All the pro business nutcases said the bypass would kill the downtown. But reality is, downtown is better than ever and there's been a shit ton of jobs added from new businesses and expansion of existing business there.

    Too many people think about route 66 and forget it went through shitholes like Oklahoma and the middle of nowhere in New Mexico and Arizona.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,412
    2001400ex said:

    The head of Washington State Transportation in the 60's when the 5 was completed was a regular at our house at the parent's bridge club. The state wanted to put the 5 through Yelm and avoid the bottle neck with a spur to Tacoma and Seattle. Downtown merchants put an end to it. The two lanes downtown was by design to encourage people to drive through town and spend money

    We were transitioning from the 99 that went through every town to these new freeway things and every town freaked out about it

    Same thing more recently up in Sequim. All the pro business nutcases said the bypass would kill the downtown. But reality is, downtown is better than ever and there's been a shit ton of jobs added from new businesses and expansion of existing business there.

    Too many people think about route 66 and forget it went through shitholes like Oklahoma and the middle of nowhere in New Mexico and Arizona.
    It's funny that it was never the modern freeway that these brick and mortals should have been worried about. They should have been worried about the technological freeway that spawned Amazon.
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,889 Founders Club
    Should have built the RH Thompson Freeway
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,889 Founders Club
    I've never understood this. When I was a kid (late 80s/early 90s), the population hovered around 500,000. Now with Amazon tech dorks, other tech dorks, and medical research companies, it's around 660,000 and that's conservative. Other than a train to the airport and now UW, there's no new infrastructure that actually helps. Everyone will bike (weather is shit or at best questionable9-10 months per year) or take a metro bus like magic. No, they won't. Now they're taking away I 90 lanes for trains. Genius.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949
    edited April 2018
    Trains are okay because non-poor people will take them.

    Buses became a symbol of the ghetto folk for too long to change.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885

    I've never understood this. When I was a kid (late 80s/early 90s), the population hovered around 500,000. Now with Amazon tech dorks, other tech dorks, and medical research companies, it's around 660,000 and that's conservative. Other than a train to the airport and now UW, there's no new infrastructure that actually helps. Everyone will bike (weather is shit or at best questionable9-10 months per year) or take a metro bus like magic. No, they won't. Now they're taking away I 90 lanes for trains. Genius.

    But How is Seattle a shit City to live in?
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    salemcoog said:

    I've never understood this. When I was a kid (late 80s/early 90s), the population hovered around 500,000. Now with Amazon tech dorks, other tech dorks, and medical research companies, it's around 660,000 and that's conservative. Other than a train to the airport and now UW, there's no new infrastructure that actually helps. Everyone will bike (weather is shit or at best questionable9-10 months per year) or take a metro bus like magic. No, they won't. Now they're taking away I 90 lanes for trains. Genius.

    But How is Seattle a shit City to live in?
    No one wants to live in Seattle. It’s too crowded and expensive.

    #CoogEcon
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    salemcoog said:

    I've never understood this. When I was a kid (late 80s/early 90s), the population hovered around 500,000. Now with Amazon tech dorks, other tech dorks, and medical research companies, it's around 660,000 and that's conservative. Other than a train to the airport and now UW, there's no new infrastructure that actually helps. Everyone will bike (weather is shit or at best questionable9-10 months per year) or take a metro bus like magic. No, they won't. Now they're taking away I 90 lanes for trains. Genius.

    But How is Seattle a shit City to live in?
    Mooooooooove!
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,482 Founders Club

    Trains are okay because non-poor people will take them.

    Buses became a symbol of the ghetto folk for too long to change.

    What about a Starbucks fleet of busses earmarked for the high tech industry
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,842 Standard Supporter
    Liberal planning is like putting the condom on when your done banging.
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