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Buckle up boys. We're going to war!
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Wag the Dog.
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With Russia? Happy?insinceredawg said:Buckle up boys. We're going to war!
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More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said: -
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said: -
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said: -
Them's fightin' words boy.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said: -
I tend to steer clear of tustling with the loggin' camp rednecks around here.creepycoug said:
Them's fightin' words boy.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said:
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Lack of a 2nd gets you a death penalty in a gulag. Certainly the case in the past. Probably not so much now but the red menace is still pretty strong there.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said: -
False. 500 years of tyrants, serfdom, and absolute monarchy get you the form of governance which you describe. Our liberties (as former Englishmen) are derived from the ideas held by a certain segment of the English population in the 1600's that absolute monarchy was bullshit and parliament should be the supreme power. The elites in Russia for centuries were a bunch of sycophant pussies who were to dumb to contemplate another form of governance. Superior political ideas and the culture of the Enlightenment (e.g., John Locke, Adam Smith, etc) are why we became free and the Russians did not. Protestant tradition also had a great deal to do with this as contrasted with the more hierarchical Roman Catholic and Orthodox states.Sledog said:
Lack of a 2nd gets you a death penalty in a gulag. Certainly the case in the past. Probably not so much now but the red menace is still pretty strong there.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said: -
You are effectively trying to explain quantum physics to a retard. Stop.YellowSnow said:
False. 500 years of tyrants, serfdom, and absolute monarchy get you the form of governance which you describe. Our liberties (as former Englishmen) are derived from the ideas held by a certain segment of the English population in the 1600's that absolute monarchy was bullshit and parliament should be the supreme power. The elites in Russia for centuries were a bunch of sycophant pussies who were to dumb to contemplate another form of governance. Superior political ideas and the culture of the Enlightenment (e.g., John Locke, Adam Smith, etc) are why we became free and the Russians did not. Protestant tradition also had a great deal to do with this as contrasted with the more hierarchical Roman Catholic and Orthodox states.Sledog said:
Lack of a 2nd gets you a death penalty in a gulag. Certainly the case in the past. Probably not so much now but the red menace is still pretty strong there.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said: -
lolYellowSnow said:
False. 500 years of tyrants, serfdom, and absolute monarchy get you the form of governance which you describe. Our liberties (as former Englishmen) are derived from the ideas held by a certain segment of the English population in the 1600's that absolute monarchy was bullshit and parliament should be the supreme power. The elites in Russia for centuries were a bunch of sycophant pussies who were to dumb to contemplate another form of governance. Superior political ideas and the culture of the Enlightenment (e.g., John Locke, Adam Smith, etc) are why we became free and the Russians did not. Protestant tradition also had a great deal to do with this as contrasted with the more hierarchical Roman Catholic and Orthodox states.Sledog said:
Lack of a 2nd gets you a death penalty in a gulag. Certainly the case in the past. Probably not so much now but the red menace is still pretty strong there.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said:
You typed out all that shit for Sledog?
Some of those words have more than two syllables.
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It's not quantum physics. This is basic 11th grade US history type stuff.creepycoug said:
You are effectively trying to explain quantum physics to a retard. Stop.YellowSnow said:
False. 500 years of tyrants, serfdom, and absolute monarchy get you the form of governance which you describe. Our liberties (as former Englishmen) are derived from the ideas held by a certain segment of the English population in the 1600's that absolute monarchy was bullshit and parliament should be the supreme power. The elites in Russia for centuries were a bunch of sycophant pussies who were to dumb to contemplate another form of governance. Superior political ideas and the culture of the Enlightenment (e.g., John Locke, Adam Smith, etc) are why we became free and the Russians did not. Protestant tradition also had a great deal to do with this as contrasted with the more hierarchical Roman Catholic and Orthodox states.Sledog said:
Lack of a 2nd gets you a death penalty in a gulag. Certainly the case in the past. Probably not so much now but the red menace is still pretty strong there.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said:
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But still, know your audience.YellowSnow said:
It's not quantum physics. This is basic 11th grade US history type stuff.creepycoug said:
You are effectively trying to explain quantum physics to a retard. Stop.YellowSnow said:
False. 500 years of tyrants, serfdom, and absolute monarchy get you the form of governance which you describe. Our liberties (as former Englishmen) are derived from the ideas held by a certain segment of the English population in the 1600's that absolute monarchy was bullshit and parliament should be the supreme power. The elites in Russia for centuries were a bunch of sycophant pussies who were to dumb to contemplate another form of governance. Superior political ideas and the culture of the Enlightenment (e.g., John Locke, Adam Smith, etc) are why we became free and the Russians did not. Protestant tradition also had a great deal to do with this as contrasted with the more hierarchical Roman Catholic and Orthodox states.Sledog said:
Lack of a 2nd gets you a death penalty in a gulag. Certainly the case in the past. Probably not so much now but the red menace is still pretty strong there.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said: -
I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong. -
Not. For. Him.YellowSnow said:
It's not quantum physics. This is basic 11th grade US history type stuff.creepycoug said:
You are effectively trying to explain quantum physics to a retard. Stop.YellowSnow said:
False. 500 years of tyrants, serfdom, and absolute monarchy get you the form of governance which you describe. Our liberties (as former Englishmen) are derived from the ideas held by a certain segment of the English population in the 1600's that absolute monarchy was bullshit and parliament should be the supreme power. The elites in Russia for centuries were a bunch of sycophant pussies who were to dumb to contemplate another form of governance. Superior political ideas and the culture of the Enlightenment (e.g., John Locke, Adam Smith, etc) are why we became free and the Russians did not. Protestant tradition also had a great deal to do with this as contrasted with the more hierarchical Roman Catholic and Orthodox states.Sledog said:
Lack of a 2nd gets you a death penalty in a gulag. Certainly the case in the past. Probably not so much now but the red menace is still pretty strong there.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said:
HTH -
I rest my case.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
#retardsdontgetphysics -
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks. -
I admire your spunk, but Jeebus.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
#lostcause
#retardscantlern
#physics4retards -
Also, before I get flagged by @PurpleThrobber there's this...YellowSnow said:
It's not quantum physics. This is basic 11th grade US history type stuff.creepycoug said:
You are effectively trying to explain quantum physics to a retard. Stop.YellowSnow said:
False. 500 years of tyrants, serfdom, and absolute monarchy get you the form of governance which you describe. Our liberties (as former Englishmen) are derived from the ideas held by a certain segment of the English population in the 1600's that absolute monarchy was bullshit and parliament should be the supreme power. The elites in Russia for centuries were a bunch of sycophant pussies who were to dumb to contemplate another form of governance. Superior political ideas and the culture of the Enlightenment (e.g., John Locke, Adam Smith, etc) are why we became free and the Russians did not. Protestant tradition also had a great deal to do with this as contrasted with the more hierarchical Roman Catholic and Orthodox states.Sledog said:
Lack of a 2nd gets you a death penalty in a gulag. Certainly the case in the past. Probably not so much now but the red menace is still pretty strong there.YellowSnow said:
Look, I don't pretend for a moment that I'm a brighter guy than Ambassador Bolton - I'm just a shitty pretend sales guy with a BA from a shitty Public Ivy and he has a BA and JD from Yale - but I still laffed my ass off watching this video. I mean for fuck's sake, who in their right mind thinks that Russia's woes which stem from no tradition of liberal democracy have anything to do with their lack of a 2nd Amendment?creepycoug said:
I see what you did there.YellowSnow said:
More guns in Russian families will surely secure their liberties in the face of Putinism.Gwad said:
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We could twist this logic the other way and say thankfully they didn't ban those weapons.YellowSnow said:Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment.
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Our country was founded by Christians who happened to be English and who didn't appreciate a monarchy they had no voice in. We're free because they had the will as well as the means to overthrow that distant government. They possessed arms since they were carving the settlements from the wilderness "The Bill of Rights 1689 allowed Protestant citizens of England to "have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law". Catholics seem a bit left out. They wrote the constitution and said the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable and that it preexisted the constitution as a basic God given right of a free man and did not place limitations on that right.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
The founders actually thought we'd have a revolution every 5 to 20 years.
No communist or socialist governments allow the possession of arms by the masses as they don't wish to be shot. And you are correct the Bolsheviks etc. were the wrong people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/268dmc/how_were_sidearms_swords_knives_etc_regulated_in/
Places like Japan commoners were never allowed swords.
I tried to keep it short and sweet.
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#Lawsclerksdon'tpractice.creepycoug said:
I admire your spunk, but Jeebus.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
#lostcause
#retardscantlern
#physics4retards -
Where are your quotes on founders and God given right? Biblical quotes would be cool too.Sledog said:
Our country was founded by Christians who happened to be English and who didn't appreciate a monarchy they had no voice in. We're free because they had the will as well as the means to overthrow that distant government. They possessed arms since they were carving the settlements from the wilderness "The Bill of Rights 1689 allowed Protestant citizens of England to "have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law". Catholics seem a bit left out. They wrote the constitution and said the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable and that it preexisted the constitution as a basic God given right of a free man and did not place limitations on that right.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
The founders actually thought we'd have a revolution every 5 to 20 years.
No communist or socialist governments allow the possession of arms by the masses as they don't wish to be shot. And you are correct the Bolsheviks etc. were the wrong people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/268dmc/how_were_sidearms_swords_knives_etc_regulated_in/
Places like Japan commoners were never allowed swords.
I tried to keep it short and sweet. -
The philosophy of natural rights was championed by such Founding2001400ex said:
Where are your quotes on founders and God given right? Biblical quotes would be cool too.Sledog said:
Our country was founded by Christians who happened to be English and who didn't appreciate a monarchy they had no voice in. We're free because they had the will as well as the means to overthrow that distant government. They possessed arms since they were carving the settlements from the wilderness "The Bill of Rights 1689 allowed Protestant citizens of England to "have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law". Catholics seem a bit left out. They wrote the constitution and said the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable and that it preexisted the constitution as a basic God given right of a free man and did not place limitations on that right.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
The founders actually thought we'd have a revolution every 5 to 20 years.
No communist or socialist governments allow the possession of arms by the masses as they don't wish to be shot. And you are correct the Bolsheviks etc. were the wrong people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/268dmc/how_were_sidearms_swords_knives_etc_regulated_in/
Places like Japan commoners were never allowed swords.
I tried to keep it short and sweet.
Fathers as Richard Bland, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson,
Richard Henry Lee, James Madison, George Mason, Robert Carter
Nicholas, Peyton Randolph, George Washington, and George Wythe.
The Virginia Founding Fathers were in substantial agreement
that the ultimate source of our natural rights was our Creator. Men
"are endowed by their Creator" with inherent and inalienable rights,
said Thomas Jefferson in the memorable language of the Declaration
of Independence.14 Earlier Jefferson had written in his Summary View
that "the God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time."' 5 We
have natural rights of the intellect, he indicated, "because Almighty
God hath created the mind free . .. "16 Speaking of the natural
right of expatriation, Jefferson said in the Summary View: "The
evidence of this natural right, like that of our right to life, liberty, the
use of our faculties, the pursuit of happiness, is not left to the feeble
and sophistical investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense
of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or
legislators, but under the King of kings."' 7 In his Notes on Virginia,
Jefferson wrote: "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure
when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds
of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?"18 Speaking there
of our natural rights, he concluded: "We are answerable for them to
our God."' 9 It was in the Summary View in which Jefferson asserted
that Parliament had no power to encroach "upon those rights which
God and the laws have given equally and independently to all." -
Sledog said:
Our country was founded by Christians who happened to be English and who didn't appreciate a monarchy they had no voice in. Remember, they didn't have a beef with the far away distant monarchy for the first 156 years from 1607- 1763. It was only after the French and Indian War (hi @swaye - who sides with the French BTW) when Parliament realized having an empire was expensive and they needed more tax revenue that the rupture started with the mothershipWe're free because they had the will (i.e., Democratic ideals)as well as the means to overthrow that distant government. Again, the guns don't mean shit unless in the hands of the right people, which was my original point- i.e., Ruskies suck and guns won't free them from tyranny.They possessed arms since they were carving the settlements from the wilderness "The Bill of Rights 1689 allowed Protestant citizens of England to "have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law". Catholics seem a bit left out. They wrote the constitution and said the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable and that it preexisted the constitution as a basic God given right of a free man and did not place limitations on that right.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
The founders actually thought we'd have a revolution every 5 to 20 years.
No communist or socialist governments allow the possession of arms by the masses as they don't wish to be shot. And you are correct the Bolsheviks etc. were the wrong people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/268dmc/how_were_sidearms_swords_knives_etc_regulated_in/
Places like Japan commoners were never allowed swords.
I tried to keep it short and sweet. -
One of my faves:2001400ex said:
Where are your quotes on founders and God given right? Biblical quotes would be cool too.Sledog said:
Our country was founded by Christians who happened to be English and who didn't appreciate a monarchy they had no voice in. We're free because they had the will as well as the means to overthrow that distant government. They possessed arms since they were carving the settlements from the wilderness "The Bill of Rights 1689 allowed Protestant citizens of England to "have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law". Catholics seem a bit left out. They wrote the constitution and said the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable and that it preexisted the constitution as a basic God given right of a free man and did not place limitations on that right.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
The founders actually thought we'd have a revolution every 5 to 20 years.
No communist or socialist governments allow the possession of arms by the masses as they don't wish to be shot. And you are correct the Bolsheviks etc. were the wrong people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/268dmc/how_were_sidearms_swords_knives_etc_regulated_in/
Places like Japan commoners were never allowed swords.
I tried to keep it short and sweet.
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You are missing the words "right to bear arms" anywhere around there. Dumbfuck.Sledog said:
The philosophy of natural rights was championed by such Founding2001400ex said:
Where are your quotes on founders and God given right? Biblical quotes would be cool too.Sledog said:
Our country was founded by Christians who happened to be English and who didn't appreciate a monarchy they had no voice in. We're free because they had the will as well as the means to overthrow that distant government. They possessed arms since they were carving the settlements from the wilderness "The Bill of Rights 1689 allowed Protestant citizens of England to "have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law". Catholics seem a bit left out. They wrote the constitution and said the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable and that it preexisted the constitution as a basic God given right of a free man and did not place limitations on that right.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
The founders actually thought we'd have a revolution every 5 to 20 years.
No communist or socialist governments allow the possession of arms by the masses as they don't wish to be shot. And you are correct the Bolsheviks etc. were the wrong people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/268dmc/how_were_sidearms_swords_knives_etc_regulated_in/
Places like Japan commoners were never allowed swords.
I tried to keep it short and sweet.
Fathers as Richard Bland, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson,
Richard Henry Lee, James Madison, George Mason, Robert Carter
Nicholas, Peyton Randolph, George Washington, and George Wythe.
The Virginia Founding Fathers were in substantial agreement
that the ultimate source of our natural rights was our Creator. Men
"are endowed by their Creator" with inherent and inalienable rights,
said Thomas Jefferson in the memorable language of the Declaration
of Independence.14 Earlier Jefferson had written in his Summary View
that "the God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time."' 5 We
have natural rights of the intellect, he indicated, "because Almighty
God hath created the mind free . .. "16 Speaking of the natural
right of expatriation, Jefferson said in the Summary View: "The
evidence of this natural right, like that of our right to life, liberty, the
use of our faculties, the pursuit of happiness, is not left to the feeble
and sophistical investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense
of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or
legislators, but under the King of kings."' 7 In his Notes on Virginia,
Jefferson wrote: "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure
when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds
of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?"18 Speaking there
of our natural rights, he concluded: "We are answerable for them to
our God."' 9 It was in the Summary View in which Jefferson asserted
that Parliament had no power to encroach "upon those rights which
God and the laws have given equally and independently to all." -
No government can rule an armed populace. Ask King George. I'm sure if the Russian population possessed arms like Americans they could have overthrown them. Yes, they also have to have the will. People don't like being killed for other peoples beliefs. Read up on the Warsaw ghetto in WWII the German troops were none to happy to go there when they began to resist with a few captured weapons. The Germans finally had to launch a large scale operation to clear them out.YellowSnow said:Sledog said:
Our country was founded by Christians who happened to be English and who didn't appreciate a monarchy they had no voice in. Remember, they didn't have a beef with the far away distant monarchy for the first 156 years from 1607- 1763. It was only after the French and Indian War (hi @swaye - who sides with the French BTW) when Parliament realized having an empire was expensive and they needed more tax revenue that the rupture started with the mothershipWe're free because they had the will (i.e., Democratic ideals)as well as the means to overthrow that distant government. Again, the guns don't mean shit unless in the hands of the right people, which was my original point- i.e., Ruskies suck and guns won't free them from tyranny.They possessed arms since they were carving the settlements from the wilderness "The Bill of Rights 1689 allowed Protestant citizens of England to "have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law". Catholics seem a bit left out. They wrote the constitution and said the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable and that it preexisted the constitution as a basic God given right of a free man and did not place limitations on that right.YellowSnow said:
In England in the mid - 1600's there was no "right to bear arms" (that didn't come until 1689 with the English Bill of Rights). In Russia in the 1600's there was no right bear arms either. Yet, in both countries there were plenty of swords, pikes and matchlocks floating about. Somehow the English managed to overthrow their monarch BEFORE having their 2nd Amendment. The Russians and their elites of the time couldn't even began to contemplate something like overthrowing the Czars because they sucked.Sledog said:I'll simplify for those lacking. Totalitarian governments of all types exist because they do not allow the populace to possess arms. Our revolution was kicked off by the British marching on Concord and Lexington to sieze the colonists powder and arms stores.
Millions of dead people can't be wrong.
We are free country because we are a nation founded by Englishmen. Ideas matter more than the guns which are just a tool. The guns aren't worth shit unless paired with the right ideas and culture. If you'd like an example of what armed paramilitary groups with shitty ideas look like, see the NSDAP and Bolsheviks.
The founders actually thought we'd have a revolution every 5 to 20 years.
No communist or socialist governments allow the possession of arms by the masses as they don't wish to be shot. And you are correct the Bolsheviks etc. were the wrong people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/268dmc/how_were_sidearms_swords_knives_etc_regulated_in/
Places like Japan commoners were never allowed swords.
I tried to keep it short and sweet.
I get your poont.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPM-FXHj5gA
