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If we're looking for a government solution to the problem, we should be looking at our return on investment. If sacrificing 13 billion a year to put extra security in schools prevents 12 deaths a year, then we are spending 1.08 billion dollars per life saved. That's a lot of money to prevent one death.
The 13 billion a year estimate comes from this:
http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/theres-one-way-to-stop-school-shootings-without-taking-away-anyones-guns -
A couple thousand dollars for training per teacher for a 5 day course that would make them proficient and safe. A minor allowance for practice throughout the year. Cheap insurance.
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But stopping the shooter at 7 dead would've been a lot better than letting him kill 17. That's why schools need well-trained, authorized persons who carry, or have quick access to, their own firearms.2001400ex said:
Even if every teacher was armed. That kid was going to shoot up the school regardless.Sledog said:
Your ideas are already in place in many places. They have never worked and never will. We have more than 20,000 gun laws and they have not worked. There are more than 300 million guns in the US and the number of magazines is far more than that and completely unknown. You can not magically get rid of them. Only the law abiding will comply. You know all this but still prattle on I will continue to disagree.TurdBuffer said:I agree bans are stupid and won't work. But just like restrictions that prevent full-autos on our streets, we can similarly reduce deadliness of ARs by limiting availability of hi-capacity magazines AND deputizing teachers and admins to shoot back to limit damage and save lives.
Sleddy's going hysterical like a lot of guys do, fearful we're gonna take away his squirrel plunker, when we're not. Like I said, I practically brawled with my thick-skulled marine neighbor over this when he was on "Full NRA Auto-Response" and kept misquoting my words back to me, arguing against shit I never said. I finally put my hand on his shoulder and asked him "Are you deaf? Dumb? Or Both? I'm thinking Both!" He was less-than appreciative of that.
I'm glad you like the idea of armed responders among school staff. The story is there were two school resource police officers assigned to the school but the superintendent requested they not carry guns on campus. That was from an interview and I've been unable to locate it in print.
As a society we protect things with guns; presidents, movie stars, court houses, stores, banks, armored cars and even Husky games. Odd we want our schools not to be and they will continue to be targets until we change that. These people don't want a fight they want a slaughter. Defenseless victims are what they seek out and our schools are the biggest target.
Good opinion piece below.
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=445
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DDY's in the Tug? Must be a slow TBS day, with few recruits to salivate over.Dennis_DeYoung said:I wonder why so many people go completely Sled over the 2nd amendment and the same constitutional protector heroes don’t seem to care much about the 4th amendment.
Pretty big mystery!
Judging by this thread it may be because no one seems to have read past the first 2 amendments to the constitution.
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99% of teachers will never be able to be trained to point a gun at another human being and shoot it. You can take them to a range and train then. Aiming at another human is completely different.TurdBuffer said:
But stopping the shooter at 7 dead would've been a lot better than letting him kill 17. That's why schools need well-trained, authorized persons who carry, or have quick access to, their own firearms.2001400ex said:
Even if every teacher was armed. That kid was going to shoot up the school regardless.Sledog said:
Your ideas are already in place in many places. They have never worked and never will. We have more than 20,000 gun laws and they have not worked. There are more than 300 million guns in the US and the number of magazines is far more than that and completely unknown. You can not magically get rid of them. Only the law abiding will comply. You know all this but still prattle on I will continue to disagree.TurdBuffer said:I agree bans are stupid and won't work. But just like restrictions that prevent full-autos on our streets, we can similarly reduce deadliness of ARs by limiting availability of hi-capacity magazines AND deputizing teachers and admins to shoot back to limit damage and save lives.
Sleddy's going hysterical like a lot of guys do, fearful we're gonna take away his squirrel plunker, when we're not. Like I said, I practically brawled with my thick-skulled marine neighbor over this when he was on "Full NRA Auto-Response" and kept misquoting my words back to me, arguing against shit I never said. I finally put my hand on his shoulder and asked him "Are you deaf? Dumb? Or Both? I'm thinking Both!" He was less-than appreciative of that.
I'm glad you like the idea of armed responders among school staff. The story is there were two school resource police officers assigned to the school but the superintendent requested they not carry guns on campus. That was from an interview and I've been unable to locate it in print.
As a society we protect things with guns; presidents, movie stars, court houses, stores, banks, armored cars and even Husky games. Odd we want our schools not to be and they will continue to be targets until we change that. These people don't want a fight they want a slaughter. Defenseless victims are what they seek out and our schools are the biggest target.
Good opinion piece below.
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=445
HTH -
2001400ex said:
99% of teachers are useless human beings that belong in the back of a soup line.TurdBuffer said:
But stopping the shooter at 7 dead would've been a lot better than letting him kill 17. That's why schools need well-trained, authorized persons who carry, or have quick access to, their own firearms.2001400ex said:
Even if every teacher was armed. That kid was going to shoot up the school regardless.Sledog said:
Your ideas are already in place in many places. They have never worked and never will. We have more than 20,000 gun laws and they have not worked. There are more than 300 million guns in the US and the number of magazines is far more than that and completely unknown. You can not magically get rid of them. Only the law abiding will comply. You know all this but still prattle on I will continue to disagree.TurdBuffer said:I agree bans are stupid and won't work. But just like restrictions that prevent full-autos on our streets, we can similarly reduce deadliness of ARs by limiting availability of hi-capacity magazines AND deputizing teachers and admins to shoot back to limit damage and save lives.
Sleddy's going hysterical like a lot of guys do, fearful we're gonna take away his squirrel plunker, when we're not. Like I said, I practically brawled with my thick-skulled marine neighbor over this when he was on "Full NRA Auto-Response" and kept misquoting my words back to me, arguing against shit I never said. I finally put my hand on his shoulder and asked him "Are you deaf? Dumb? Or Both? I'm thinking Both!" He was less-than appreciative of that.
I'm glad you like the idea of armed responders among school staff. The story is there were two school resource police officers assigned to the school but the superintendent requested they not carry guns on campus. That was from an interview and I've been unable to locate it in print.
As a society we protect things with guns; presidents, movie stars, court houses, stores, banks, armored cars and even Husky games. Odd we want our schools not to be and they will continue to be targets until we change that. These people don't want a fight they want a slaughter. Defenseless victims are what they seek out and our schools are the biggest target.
Good opinion piece below.
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=445
HTH -
They don’t have to be teachers. Many schools have armed security or police in them now. If you want to protect kids from getting shot in schools, you need to have armed security in every one of them. That’s the world we live in now and would be a much more realistic and effective solution than a weapon buyback.2001400ex said:
99% of teachers will never be able to be trained to point a gun at another human being and shoot it. You can take them to a range and train then. Aiming at another human is completely different.TurdBuffer said:
But stopping the shooter at 7 dead would've been a lot better than letting him kill 17. That's why schools need well-trained, authorized persons who carry, or have quick access to, their own firearms.2001400ex said:
Even if every teacher was armed. That kid was going to shoot up the school regardless.Sledog said:
Your ideas are already in place in many places. They have never worked and never will. We have more than 20,000 gun laws and they have not worked. There are more than 300 million guns in the US and the number of magazines is far more than that and completely unknown. You can not magically get rid of them. Only the law abiding will comply. You know all this but still prattle on I will continue to disagree.TurdBuffer said:I agree bans are stupid and won't work. But just like restrictions that prevent full-autos on our streets, we can similarly reduce deadliness of ARs by limiting availability of hi-capacity magazines AND deputizing teachers and admins to shoot back to limit damage and save lives.
Sleddy's going hysterical like a lot of guys do, fearful we're gonna take away his squirrel plunker, when we're not. Like I said, I practically brawled with my thick-skulled marine neighbor over this when he was on "Full NRA Auto-Response" and kept misquoting my words back to me, arguing against shit I never said. I finally put my hand on his shoulder and asked him "Are you deaf? Dumb? Or Both? I'm thinking Both!" He was less-than appreciative of that.
I'm glad you like the idea of armed responders among school staff. The story is there were two school resource police officers assigned to the school but the superintendent requested they not carry guns on campus. That was from an interview and I've been unable to locate it in print.
As a society we protect things with guns; presidents, movie stars, court houses, stores, banks, armored cars and even Husky games. Odd we want our schools not to be and they will continue to be targets until we change that. These people don't want a fight they want a slaughter. Defenseless victims are what they seek out and our schools are the biggest target.
Good opinion piece below.
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=445
HTH
Gen X ers have done a horrible job at raising their Kids. They let them do whatever the fuck they want whenever they want. Ask a HS teacher you know about how many kids nowadays have no respect nor coping skills for conflict. So many parents expect teachers to raise their kids and when the teachers push back to the parents. The parents lash out at the teachers and the school. Further supporting their douchebag kids abhorrent behavior.
Liberal gun Faerys will never come about. But school districts that give a fuck about the Kids in their schools will protect them. The ones that don’t, won’t. Such as Parkland. -
Do you frequently find yourself yelling at people to get off your lawn?salemcoog said:
They don’t have to be teachers. Many schools have armed security or police in them now. If you want to protect kids from getting shot in schools, you need to have armed security in every one of them. That’s the world we live in now and would be a much more realistic and effective solution than a weapon buyback.2001400ex said:
99% of teachers will never be able to be trained to point a gun at another human being and shoot it. You can take them to a range and train then. Aiming at another human is completely different.TurdBuffer said:
But stopping the shooter at 7 dead would've been a lot better than letting him kill 17. That's why schools need well-trained, authorized persons who carry, or have quick access to, their own firearms.2001400ex said:
Even if every teacher was armed. That kid was going to shoot up the school regardless.Sledog said:
Your ideas are already in place in many places. They have never worked and never will. We have more than 20,000 gun laws and they have not worked. There are more than 300 million guns in the US and the number of magazines is far more than that and completely unknown. You can not magically get rid of them. Only the law abiding will comply. You know all this but still prattle on I will continue to disagree.TurdBuffer said:I agree bans are stupid and won't work. But just like restrictions that prevent full-autos on our streets, we can similarly reduce deadliness of ARs by limiting availability of hi-capacity magazines AND deputizing teachers and admins to shoot back to limit damage and save lives.
Sleddy's going hysterical like a lot of guys do, fearful we're gonna take away his squirrel plunker, when we're not. Like I said, I practically brawled with my thick-skulled marine neighbor over this when he was on "Full NRA Auto-Response" and kept misquoting my words back to me, arguing against shit I never said. I finally put my hand on his shoulder and asked him "Are you deaf? Dumb? Or Both? I'm thinking Both!" He was less-than appreciative of that.
I'm glad you like the idea of armed responders among school staff. The story is there were two school resource police officers assigned to the school but the superintendent requested they not carry guns on campus. That was from an interview and I've been unable to locate it in print.
As a society we protect things with guns; presidents, movie stars, court houses, stores, banks, armored cars and even Husky games. Odd we want our schools not to be and they will continue to be targets until we change that. These people don't want a fight they want a slaughter. Defenseless victims are what they seek out and our schools are the biggest target.
Good opinion piece below.
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=445
HTH
Gen X ers have done a horrible job at raising their Kids. They let them do whatever the fuck they want whenever they want. Ask a HS teacher you know about how many kids nowadays have no respect nor coping skills for conflict. So many parents expect teachers to raise their kids and when the teachers push back to the parents. The parents lash out at the teachers and the school. Further supporting their douchebag kids abhorrent behavior.
Liberal gun Faerys will never come about. But school districts that give a fuck about the Kids in their schools will protect them. The ones that don’t, won’t. Such as Parkland. -
AUTHOR: Socrates (469–399 B.C.)salemcoog said:
They don’t have to be teachers. Many schools have armed security or police in them now. If you want to protect kids from getting shot in schools, you need to have armed security in every one of them. That’s the world we live in now and would be a much more realistic and effective solution than a weapon buyback.2001400ex said:
99% of teachers will never be able to be trained to point a gun at another human being and shoot it. You can take them to a range and train then. Aiming at another human is completely different.TurdBuffer said:
But stopping the shooter at 7 dead would've been a lot better than letting him kill 17. That's why schools need well-trained, authorized persons who carry, or have quick access to, their own firearms.2001400ex said:
Even if every teacher was armed. That kid was going to shoot up the school regardless.Sledog said:
Your ideas are already in place in many places. They have never worked and never will. We have more than 20,000 gun laws and they have not worked. There are more than 300 million guns in the US and the number of magazines is far more than that and completely unknown. You can not magically get rid of them. Only the law abiding will comply. You know all this but still prattle on I will continue to disagree.TurdBuffer said:I agree bans are stupid and won't work. But just like restrictions that prevent full-autos on our streets, we can similarly reduce deadliness of ARs by limiting availability of hi-capacity magazines AND deputizing teachers and admins to shoot back to limit damage and save lives.
Sleddy's going hysterical like a lot of guys do, fearful we're gonna take away his squirrel plunker, when we're not. Like I said, I practically brawled with my thick-skulled marine neighbor over this when he was on "Full NRA Auto-Response" and kept misquoting my words back to me, arguing against shit I never said. I finally put my hand on his shoulder and asked him "Are you deaf? Dumb? Or Both? I'm thinking Both!" He was less-than appreciative of that.
I'm glad you like the idea of armed responders among school staff. The story is there were two school resource police officers assigned to the school but the superintendent requested they not carry guns on campus. That was from an interview and I've been unable to locate it in print.
As a society we protect things with guns; presidents, movie stars, court houses, stores, banks, armored cars and even Husky games. Odd we want our schools not to be and they will continue to be targets until we change that. These people don't want a fight they want a slaughter. Defenseless victims are what they seek out and our schools are the biggest target.
Good opinion piece below.
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=445
HTH
Gen X ers have done a horrible job at raising their Kids. They let them do whatever the fuck they want whenever they want. Ask a HS teacher you know about how many kids nowadays have no respect nor coping skills for conflict. So many parents expect teachers to raise their kids and when the teachers push back to the parents. The parents lash out at the teachers and the school. Further supporting their douchebag kids abhorrent behavior.
Liberal gun Faerys will never come about. But school districts that give a fuck about the Kids in their schools will protect them. The ones that don’t, won’t. Such as Parkland.
QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
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As a philosophy major, let me translate this passage for you: the pretty young boys don't bend over when I tell them to anymore.BearsWiin said:
AUTHOR: Socrates (469–399 B.C.)salemcoog said:
They don’t have to be teachers. Many schools have armed security or police in them now. If you want to protect kids from getting shot in schools, you need to have armed security in every one of them. That’s the world we live in now and would be a much more realistic and effective solution than a weapon buyback.2001400ex said:
99% of teachers will never be able to be trained to point a gun at another human being and shoot it. You can take them to a range and train then. Aiming at another human is completely different.TurdBuffer said:
But stopping the shooter at 7 dead would've been a lot better than letting him kill 17. That's why schools need well-trained, authorized persons who carry, or have quick access to, their own firearms.2001400ex said:
Even if every teacher was armed. That kid was going to shoot up the school regardless.Sledog said:
Your ideas are already in place in many places. They have never worked and never will. We have more than 20,000 gun laws and they have not worked. There are more than 300 million guns in the US and the number of magazines is far more than that and completely unknown. You can not magically get rid of them. Only the law abiding will comply. You know all this but still prattle on I will continue to disagree.TurdBuffer said:I agree bans are stupid and won't work. But just like restrictions that prevent full-autos on our streets, we can similarly reduce deadliness of ARs by limiting availability of hi-capacity magazines AND deputizing teachers and admins to shoot back to limit damage and save lives.
Sleddy's going hysterical like a lot of guys do, fearful we're gonna take away his squirrel plunker, when we're not. Like I said, I practically brawled with my thick-skulled marine neighbor over this when he was on "Full NRA Auto-Response" and kept misquoting my words back to me, arguing against shit I never said. I finally put my hand on his shoulder and asked him "Are you deaf? Dumb? Or Both? I'm thinking Both!" He was less-than appreciative of that.
I'm glad you like the idea of armed responders among school staff. The story is there were two school resource police officers assigned to the school but the superintendent requested they not carry guns on campus. That was from an interview and I've been unable to locate it in print.
As a society we protect things with guns; presidents, movie stars, court houses, stores, banks, armored cars and even Husky games. Odd we want our schools not to be and they will continue to be targets until we change that. These people don't want a fight they want a slaughter. Defenseless victims are what they seek out and our schools are the biggest target.
Good opinion piece below.
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=445
HTH
Gen X ers have done a horrible job at raising their Kids. They let them do whatever the fuck they want whenever they want. Ask a HS teacher you know about how many kids nowadays have no respect nor coping skills for conflict. So many parents expect teachers to raise their kids and when the teachers push back to the parents. The parents lash out at the teachers and the school. Further supporting their douchebag kids abhorrent behavior.
Liberal gun Faerys will never come about. But school districts that give a fuck about the Kids in their schools will protect them. The ones that don’t, won’t. Such as Parkland.
QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
