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This is correct. From a raw numbers stand point, hand guns kill far more then rifles. But then not all gun violence is created equal either. Some gangster in Chicago shoots and kills another gangster, or some guy offs his wife with a pistol, doesn't have the same impact on society as someone going into a school with an AK or AR and executing scores of innocent children.Hippopeteamus said:
Not really comparable. An AR that cost between 600-900 is a semi-automatic rifle, not an automatic. A pre-1986 full Auto M-16 is going to cost like +20,000 $ (oddly enough, during the assault weapon ban, it was legal federally to buy a select fire M-16 but not an AR-15). Rifle homicides are also a tiny fraction of gun homicides, most are committed with pistols. I'm not really sure you can say that the prevalence of semi-auto long guns is the cause of more gun violence (maybe it is, but why would that be the case. Wouldn't somebody just use a pistol or a bolt action rifle?).YellowSnow said:
So a Thompson Sub Machine cost about $200 in 1920 which in 2018 USD is about $2,600. What's an AR run these days? $600 - $900 sound about right? Nobody but gangsters or the military could afford them back then so they never became widespread amongst the civilian population.Sledog said:Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
Edit: This isn't to say that laws couldn't or shouldn't be enacted, but it would seem reasonable if they were more directed. You could require registration of detachable magazine semi-auto rifles or semi-auto detachable magazine guns. -
half?TurdBuffer said:Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live. Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
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That's not a gun problem you have a law enforcement problem.creepycoug said:
Interestingly, we can work on the multiple causes of an issue at once and still enjoy the taste of chewing gum.TurdBuffer said:
Look, Cuog: You and I both know it's the "well regulated militia" that provides the avenue of redress for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but the fucking libs keep making it about the guns & ammo, instead of the sanity of the fucking people who shoot them.creepycoug said:
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
So, why doesn't anyone listen to me and appropriate my brilliance? Because the fucking authoritarian, big government libs don't understand shit about guns or gun culture, and they hate the 2nd amendment with a passion.
There's a mental health problem in the US, and it seems to be growing if Seattle's growing homeless population is any indicator at all.
There's a gun problem in the US any time you can show me a diagnosed Autistic 19 year old kid with a documented past of issues can walk in off the street and walk out with an assault rifle (or any fire arm for that matter).
I don't want the guv to take your guns. I want the process to obtain one, even a pea shooter, to become a lot more rigorous than it is. There should be a fulsome licensing process AT LEAST as rigorous as getting one's driver's license. While the process is pending, regulators can look into a person's profile and decide if there are any reasons for concern.
Last I heard, I'm not allowed to possess plutonium. The only way I know how to be dangerous with it is to expose people to it, but still, I can't and shouldn't have it. I've accepted this limitation in my life. -
TB,TurdBuffer said:
Look, Cuog: You and I both know it's the "well regulated militia" that provides the avenue of redress for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but the fucking libs keep making it about the guns & ammo, instead of the sanity of the fucking people who shoot them.creepycoug said:
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
So, why doesn't anyone listen to me and appropriate my brilliance? Because the fucking authoritarian, big government libs don't understand shit about guns or gun culture, and they hate the 2nd amendment with a passion.
It's got nothing to do with the "well regulated militia". Check out the Supreme's.
http://www.businessinsider.com/justice-scalia-opinion-in-heller-2016-2 -
Israel says fuck off and shoot the bastards!
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21714 -
The Throbber is only black between his hips and thighs.TurdBuffer said:
You had me but you're losing me Sledog. You're making a Gary Bauer argument about changing hearts and minds, and that's a fucking loser all the way.Sledog said:
You better read what the founders had to say as it seems your history teachers sucked ass.2001400ex said:
Wut? That's right, contrary to what I watch on the history channel, they did have fully automatic weapons in the 1700s when the Constitution was written. And tanks and attack helicopters.Sledog said:Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
Why is this a new, last 20 years or so, problem Hondo? Just an FYI the AR15 has been around for over 50 years.
The implement isn't the problem. As I have pointed out you're not screaming to outlaw large trucks. Evil and crazy exist and the only way to stop evil crazy people when they do either of these, or a number of other acts, is to shoot them. HTH
We can easily restrict the availability of high-cap magazines, bump stocks, and shit like that won't necessarily prevent shootings of this type, but can reduce the impact and deadliness we are seeing far too often. And none of it will stop you and I from hunting, shooting, protecting ourselves, or even restrict us from anything necessary, except blowing a watermelon to smithereens for fun. (Which will piss throbber off, I'm pretty sure).
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Never a Scalia fan. But I am a fan of this.Sledog said:
TB,TurdBuffer said:
Look, Cuog: You and I both know it's the "well regulated militia" that provides the avenue of redress for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but the fucking libs keep making it about the guns & ammo, instead of the sanity of the fucking people who shoot them.creepycoug said:
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
So, why doesn't anyone listen to me and appropriate my brilliance? Because the fucking authoritarian, big government libs don't understand shit about guns or gun culture, and they hate the 2nd amendment with a passion.
It's got nothing to do with the "well regulated militia". Check out the Supreme's.
http://www.businessinsider.com/justice-scalia-opinion-in-heller-2016-2
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The Throbber lives by Mathew 7:5.
So fuck me, then fuck you.
While you're at it, just fuck everyone.
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Blood's on the hands of the NRA and their bought lapdog politicians. No way to spin this, though I'm sure many here will try.
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Ridiculous. So the builders of the trucks used to run people over were responsible? Anyone stabbed is the fault of the knife maker? Pry bars are therefore responsible for burglaries and spoons and forks for obesity? Why is it that the person committing a crime is always responsible unless there's a shooting and then it's the implements fault. Stupid liberal logic.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:Blood's on the hands of the NRA and their bought lapdog politicians. No way to spin this, though I'm sure many here will try.
FBI blew this completely. This was in addition to the online tip about being a professional school shooter.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/16/fbi-mishandled-tip-about-florida-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz-former-agent-reacts
