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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.



    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
    Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.


    So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.

    Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.

    They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter
    Mosster47 said:

    There is no solution that fits today, but there is a real simple way to shape the future.

    You make a permanent Brady Bill. No long rifle magazine larger than 5 rounds, rimfires 10 rounds, and handguns 10 rounds. You do a one time government buy back for magazines larger than that. Of course that won't get rid of more than 25% of the current ones in circulation but it's a start.

    Second you have to obtain a license to buy a firearm and you have to get it renewed every 5 to 7 years like a drivers license. If a doctor thinks you are too dangerous to society to own a gun you lose your gun buying privileges until they thing you are good again, just like driving. Your guns aren't ever taken away. You just can't buy any if you lose your license.

    Stable, law abiding citizens can still own a zillion guns and use them as tools like they are intended.

    Easy peasy. Won't ever fucking happen.

    Which of these would have stopped the shooting? None of them.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,695 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.



    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
    Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.


    So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.

    Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.

    They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
    Not all technological advancements are equal in their lethality.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2018

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.



    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
    Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.


    So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.

    Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.

    They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
    Not all technological advancements are equal in their lethality.
    It's not technology it's morality that's the problem.

    No one calling for a ban on large trucks today though. Deadly hunks of unbelievable power.

    Gasoline too. A couple Molotov cocktail couple kill hundreds.

    If we ban everything humans can kill with we'll all be in wheelchairs and limbless.
  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    This is your ideal society?
    Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
    Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
    That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.


    In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
    I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.

    But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
    They are for defense against a tyrannical government. The right to arms and self defense is an inalienable right that existed prior to the constitution and is considered God given. You can't revoke it. Ever.
    Jesus why didn't you just say that earlier? I posted like 6 times for no fucking reason.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,278
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.



    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
    Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.


    So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.

    Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.

    They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
    The strict constructionists hate you now.

    PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.

    When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2018

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.



    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
    Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.


    So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.

    Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.

    They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
    The strict constructionists hate you now.

    PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.

    When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.

    That's what it is for. Since you don't think it's useful everyone should lose their rights. Got it.

    Odd the Japanese didn't think it silly in WWII.

    "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

    Admiral Yamamoto.

    FYI rapid fire kick ass guns existed a long time ago. Here is one from the early 1700's long before the revolution. They knew what deadly was . HTH

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun