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  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    This is your ideal society?
    Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
    Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
    That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.


    In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
    I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.

    But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
    So you support a ban of assault weapons from local police forces? including federal agencies like Bureau of Land Management?

    If so, I'm willing to trade.

    If not, I'm going to cling to the 2nd Amendment with every fiber of my being.
    Paramilitary use includes SWAT so technically that part of the police force would be fine. I don't think regular patrolmen need assault weapons, but I could be talked in to high capacity mags for their service weapons along with the pump shotty that most have in the back of the squad car. That should be plenty to suppress a shooter until SWAT gets there. I don't know why the BLM would need AR's, but if there was a case I would listen.

    The irony about police is that from a 2nd amendment, protecting yourself from tyranny standpoint, the militarization of local police forces is something citizens should be 100x more worried about than the federal government.
    I like this post

    I think somewhere in this thread someone answered my question and said the kid got the gun legally.

    I'm in favor of changing that law today

    I don't think everything is a slippery slope. I think insane people probably should not have guns

    #Courage

    AR 15 or AK 47 type weapons should be very hard to obtain after vigorous vetting

    To out law a gun we need to be specific. To just say "assault rifle" won't stand the test. List the guns you want to ban all together and go from there.

    Guns are like most issues these days. They work better for fundraising than they do for getting a resolution.

    Everybody does it

    We're fucked

    Go DAWGS
    I don't like WASHINGTON DC in this one.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Execute the fucker. Trash that takes 17 lives does not deserve to live. Subject the piece of shit to 17 unique, excrutiating torture methods before finishing him off.
  • Alexis
    Alexis Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,433 Founders Club
    I read that the school has 3000 students. Add to that, what, 100 teachers or so, and some more staff members. That is basically the size of a small town like Algona. (Southend bitches!) Why the fuck would anyone think that a small towns worth of people, all of whom are at the most fucked up age imaginable, would be able to police themselves? Especially adding in the fact that the grown ups in this equation have absolutely no ability or authorization to discipline the kids anymore.

    Why the fuck aren't there 3 cops employed at this school, or at least 2 and 2 security guards. And if cost is an issue, then fire one of the 3 vice principals, or teach him to be a security guard.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter

    Schools just need a Supreme Court Certified Firearms Expert. Problem solved.

    Superior Court. I don't think Ruth likes me.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    dflea said:

    salemcoog said:

    dflea said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    There were warnings from the shooter himself. FBI was notified. They were probably too busy running wire taps to do anything.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/15/nikolas-cruz-school-shooter-comment-reported-to-fbi-months-ago-vlogger-says.html

    What no one ever mentions is that almost all of the school shooters were on antidepressants. Listen to the warning speech during the next commercial for one. The problem is a mental health issue more than anything else. All the students knew this kid was a nut job. The school knew it as well. Now we know the FBI was warned about him and yet he carried out his plans.

    The Israeli's in the 70's suffered numerous terrorist attacks at schools, school buses, field trips etc. They solved the problem. They armed some of the teachers. Terrorists didn't like their nice soft targets shooting back.

    The mass shooting stats up above are misleading as everyone has a different definition of mass shooting, school shooting etc. Anti gun groups even count anything near a school.

    I checked my guns this morning. They were all still where i left them. Hadn't killed anyone or left the premises. They are only as good, evil or crazy as the person using them.


    And for the Franny.

    Stop trying to shed light on the real problem here, which is mental health.


    It really detracts from Boobs and fleas simplistic blame it on Trump,Republicans and the mere existence of firearms.
    You worthless fucking cunt. I simply said Trump was a fuckhead for easing restrictions on mentally ill people getting guns. Nothing more.

    The rest of your cunty fucking post is just you being the retarded cunt you are.

    It would be great if someone shot your dumb fucking ass instead of a bunch of kids.

    Go fuck yourself.
    Somebody learned a new word.


    Doesn't matter...



    You're still a closeted fag.
    It's not new. I've been calling you a cunt for years.

    That's because you are one.
    Did your boyfriend rig a shock collar to deliver 10,000 volts every time you type faggot?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.



    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.

    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    I never realized, until this very moment, that Boobs was a girl.
    Obviously he's never sent you a PM!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.



    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    Assuming we can define that those guns are already illegal. That's why those kids burned in Waco

    Making a product illegal only makes it more valuable

    Never owned a gun. If that works do it but it won't

    Do we know if this nut had a legal gun?
    No other major Western nation has this school shooting epidemic.

    I wonder why.
    Dodge and weave

    Talking points are more important than a solution
    The solution is to do what they did.

    HTH
    Please explain
    Do what Australia did

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-35048251
    Move to fucking Australia!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,583 Standard Supporter

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    This is your ideal society?
    Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
    Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
    That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.


    In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
    I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.

    But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
    They are for defense against a tyrannical government. The right to arms and self defense is an inalienable right that existed prior to the constitution and is considered God given. You can't revoke it. Ever.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,695 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.

    Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.

    No one has done this expecting to get away.
    I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
    No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
    The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
    Everyone's?

    How?
    Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.



    This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
    To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
    Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.