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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,226 Founders Club
    Mohamed Ali won over a generation of Americans giving thanks to Allah

    Really, it was nothing special
  • TheHBTheHB Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,454 Swaye's Wigwam

    When I was pulling my way to victory in front of a screaming crowd of dozens along the Montlake Cut, I used to think all glory to Thor for giving me super human Viking strength. On we sweep with threshing oar!


    If it is Odin’s will that I die and spend eternity in Valhalla with Lagertha, I’m OK with that.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,627 Founders Club
    TheHB said:

    When I was pulling my way to victory in front of a screaming crowd of dozens along the Montlake Cut, I used to think all glory to Thor for giving me super human Viking strength. On we sweep with threshing oar!


    If it is Odin’s will that I die and spend eternity in Valhalla with Lagertha, I’m OK with that.
    Sometimes I wonder why our Viking ancestors forsook their pagon gods. Now those were some TUFF deities.
  • AlexisAlexis Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,229 Swaye's Wigwam
    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,627 Founders Club
    Alexis said:

    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
    According to Nietzsche, he ded.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,813

    Alexis said:

    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
    According to Nietzsche, he ded.
    Nietzsche ded.

    God wins.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,226 Founders Club
    BearsWiin said:

    dnc said:

    Alexis said:

    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
    According to Nietzsche, he ded.
    Nietzsche ded.

    God wins.
    Only took two pages for God wins law to be invoked

    And Race, Honey, you were there, you know damn well that Ali never started off a post-fight interview by giving glory to Allah. He was too busy telling everybody that he was The Greatest.
    Disagree. He gave praise to the Honorable Elijah Mohammed and the Nation of Islam which was about the scariest thing going for white America in the 60's. Worse than sand Muslims by far.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,226 Founders Club

    Alexis said:

    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
    According to Nietzsche, he ded.
    The Lutheran Church we? attended when I was a kid actually had a sermon one week on the Time magazine article asking if God was dead. The Pastor didn't seem too sure himself. Lutherans don't exactly burn with passion about much of anything. God dead? Ok whatever.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,226 Founders Club
    More story time

    I had a weekly gym class at the YMCA in the early 60's. Just a kid. When Ali knocked out Liston and proclaimed himself the greatest, the ape like although white, gym teacher gave us all a lecture on sportsmanship and how you don't go around saying you are the greatest and shit.

    I sat their in stunned disbelief at the young age of 7 that someone could be that fucking stupid. Everyone I knew was going around saying I am the greatest!

    Welcome to the new era.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,035

    More story time

    I had a weekly gym class at the YMCA in the early 60's. Just a kid. When Ali knocked out Liston and proclaimed himself the greatest, the ape like although white, gym teacher gave us all a lecture on sportsmanship and how you don't go around saying you are the greatest and shit.

    I sat their in stunned disbelief at the young age of 777 that someone could be that fucking stupid. Everyone I knew was going around saying I am the greatest!

    Welcome to the new era.

  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,627 Founders Club

    Alexis said:

    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
    According to Nietzsche, he ded.
    The Lutheran Church we? attended when I was a kid actually had a sermon one week on the Time magazine article asking if God was dead. The Pastor didn't seem too sure himself. Lutherans don't exactly burn with passion about much of anything. God dead? Ok whatever.
    I didn't say it; Nietzsche made that claim. He (god) is very much alive I'd say.

    But as the great Richard Dawkin's would say, we're all atheists about most of the gods humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.


  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,813

    Alexis said:

    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
    According to Nietzsche, he ded.
    The Lutheran Church we? attended when I was a kid actually had a sermon one week on the Time magazine article asking if God was dead. The Pastor didn't seem too sure himself. Lutherans don't exactly burn with @Passion about much of anything. God dead? Ok whatever.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,035
    edited February 2018

    Alexis said:

    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
    According to Nietzsche, he ded.
    The Lutheran Church we? attended when I was a kid actually had a sermon one week on the Time magazine article asking if God was dead. The Pastor didn't seem too sure himself. Lutherans don't exactly burn with passion about much of anything. God dead? Ok whatever.
    I didn't say it; Nietzsche made that claim. He (god) is very much alive I'd say.

    But as the great Richard Dawkin's would say, we're all atheists about most of the gods humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.


    I was at a Catholic wedding for my wife's cousin several years ago, sitting at the reception with my MIL, who as some born-again was bitching about having to sit through two hours of Latin chanting. We got to talking about religion, obviously, and at some poont she told me that I was being entirely closed-minded because I refused to open my heart to Christ. So I asked her why, if I decided to take leave of my intellectual integrity and cast my lot with some non-evidentiary system of belief covering celestial creation and social order, I should pick her particular non-evidentiary system and not some other one, like Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintos, Bactrian fire-worshippers of Ahura Mahzda, Zeus and Hera, Amon-Ra and Isis, Thor and Odin, etc.? She laughed, leaned in as if to tell me something in confidence, and replied. "Because they're crazy."
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,992 Standard Supporter

    Mohamed Ali won over a generation of Americans giving thanks to Allah

    Really, it was nothing special

    Grandpa is Romanticizing again!

    Ali won people over by staying true to constitutional principles of Free Exercise and Freedom of Religion, both of which were very white of him.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,992 Standard Supporter

    More story time

    I had a weekly gym class at the YMCA in the early 60's. Just a kid. When Ali knocked out Liston and proclaimed himself the greatest, the ape like although white, gym teacher gave us all a lecture on sportsmanship and how you don't go around saying you are the greatest and shit.

    I sat their in stunned disbelief at the young age of 7 that someone could be that fucking stupid. Everyone I knew was going around saying I am the greatest!

    Welcome to the new era.

    Your gym teacher was probably a WW2 vet, or maybe a Mexican Expedition vet, but either way, he'd fought against a strong man in Villa or Hitler, each who thought himself was the greatest. Humility lessons weren't their thing.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,627 Founders Club
    BearsWiin said:

    Alexis said:

    BearsWiin said:

    If God really does exist, He/She already knows what's in your heart; you don't need to proclaim it. Proclaiming it is a human thing, a testimonial to other humans, not to God. You're wearing your religion on your sleeve and showing your fellow humans how pious you are.

    The fuck does God need humans to glorify him anyway? He/She's fucking God. Do we give a shit if the ants in the yard glorify us? Humans have given human characteristics to their Imaginary Friend, as if God needs a pat on the back like humans do from time to time. He/She sounds needy. Why create such a needy God? Weird.

    Be interesting to have a Muslim give glory to Allah, a Jew to YHWH, or some South-Asian brownie to Vishnu in some postgame interview at some poont, and see the uproar. Most people give this Glory to God BS a pass because it's to their particular object of superstition. When it's somebody else's, we see how silly it sounds.

    I heard from someone that God was nothing special.
    According to Nietzsche, he ded.
    The Lutheran Church we? attended when I was a kid actually had a sermon one week on the Time magazine article asking if God was dead. The Pastor didn't seem too sure himself. Lutherans don't exactly burn with passion about much of anything. God dead? Ok whatever.
    I didn't say it; Nietzsche made that claim. He (god) is very much alive I'd say.

    But as the great Richard Dawkin's would say, we're all atheists about most of the gods humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.


    I was at a Catholic wedding for my wife's cousin several years ago, sitting at the reception with my MIL, who as some born-again was bitching about having to sit through two hours of Latin chanting. We got to talking about religion, obviously, and at some poont she told me that I was being entirely closed-minded because I refused to open my heart to Christ. So I asked her why, if I decided to take leave of my intellectual integrity and cast my lot with some non-evidentiary system of belief covering celestial creation and social order, I should pick her particular non-evidentiary system and not some other one, like Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintos, Bactrian fire-worshippers of Ahura Mahzda, Zeus and Hera, Amon-Ra and Isis, Thor and Odin, etc.? She laughed, leaned in as if to tell me something in confidence, and replied. "Because they're crazy."
    Sounds like a strong argument.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,035

    TheHB said:

    When I was pulling my way to victory in front of a screaming crowd of dozens along the Montlake Cut, I used to think all glory to Thor for giving me super human Viking strength. On we sweep with threshing oar!


    If it is Odin’s will that I die and spend eternity in Valhalla with Lagertha, I’m OK with that.
    Sometimes I wonder why our Viking ancestors forsook their pagon gods. Now those were some TUFF deities.
    Not to mention the Fenris Wolf. Another example of how humans make their gods in their own images, and not the other way around. The Norse had a big killer wolf god, the Egyptians had a killer crocodile god, the Hindus have a cobra god and an elephant god, the Aztecs had Quetzalcoatl, their feathered serpent god. They made (many of) their gods in the images of powerful creatures in their environments, ones that had power over other animals (hell, even the fish-killing ibis god in ancient Egypt) and many of which were dangerous to humans. I'd be more impressed with the "God reveals Himself to us in many different ways" argument if the Norse had a crocodile god and the Egyptians had a snow wolf god, awesome creatures not from their local experience.
  • TheHBTheHB Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,454 Swaye's Wigwam
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