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Fire_Marshall_Bill

Good blog type article

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/gary-payton-supersonics-oakland/

Doogles

That was legit, good find.

Tequilla

A lot of young kids in the league would be well served to heed the advice of a guy like GP ... he's seen everything

DerekJohnson

i thought this was going to be about der golve

DerekJohnson

just finished it. A great, great read.

Also, can't help but think what could have been had we not signed McIlvane and Kemp got pissed and left. There was a title there to be won.

dnc

My favorite basketball player of all time.

doogie

Great read.

and to think, Howard Schultz just gave it all away.

theknowledge

DerekJohnson said:

just finished it. A great, great read.

Also, can't help but think what could have been had we not signed McIlvane and Kemp got pissed and left. There was a title there to be won.

That team won 60 games with a bi-polar Vin Baker. Keep Kemp happy and yeah, we have a shot in there somewhere. Things got so toxic at the end of that run. It was sad to see it end the way it did.

Fire_Marshall_Bill

Doogles said:

That was legit, good find.

Credit to my annoying, SJW friend for this one

Fire_Marshall_Bill

People forget that Payton kind of sucked in '90-'91 and '91-'92

I've never been more upset at a sports result than when the Nuggets upset them in May of 1994. That includes Super Bowl 49 (or whatever the Seahawk/Patriot one was) and Super Bowl 40. In hindsight, they probably weren't quite there yet, but the window was wide open with Jordan playing baseball.

Tequilla

DerekJohnson said:

just finished it. A great, great read.

Also, can't help but think what could have been had we not signed McIlvane and Kemp got pissed and left. There was a title there to be won.

A dirty secret throughout the Sonics history was how dysfunctional they were off the court even dating back to the original title team with the decision to not pay Gus Williams (leading to a year-long holdout) and trading Dennis Johnson for an aging (by then NBA Standards) Paul Westphal.

I'm not sure that paying McIlvane would have kept Kemp's nose clean (from what Gary was describing in the article pretty sure that that was already in place). And while I understand it from Kemp's POV, the reality is that league rules and whatnot were what they were and there wasn't anything that could be done in the short-term from a contract perspective.