I love Bronson, his HS film was really good. And getting him out of a good college program was really solid. He also had a really solid fall camp. I think he’s in our two deeps easily next year.
So Bronson is a JAG. Got it. I asked because I don't know shit about Jimmy's and Joe's and freely admit as much. Hence my super awesome handle and why I pay my 10.95 here and read the well stalked out opinions of Yourself and Coker.
Don't tell @BallzDeep that. He thinks he is guaranteed for the NFL
Because he is. I was right about Ryan Bowman and I'm going to be right about Bronson as well.
I'm no professional TBSer, or even an amateur one, but the "stacking classes" concept makes a lot of sense to me, and if the upcoming instate classes are as good as Cokehead insists they are, stacking those on top of this class and the previous class begins to give me a nice little sweatpants boner.
OL: B 2017: Bainivalu, Kirkland, Norgaard 2018: Ale, Curne, Mele
DL: C 2017: 2018: Bynum, Liu, Taimani, Tupuola-Fetui
EDGE: D 2017: Tryon 2018:
LB: B- 2017: Ngata 2018: Kaho, Sirmon, Tafisi
DB: C 2017: McKinney, Molden, Taylor 2018: Hampton
THE REST OF THE WAY: You can see pretty easily that life will improve a lot with maybe one more DT, an EDGE guy and a couple more DBs. Maybe an OL. If we get quality there, we are going to be in the B and up category pretty much everywhere.
NEXT YEAR: So, this pretty clearly points to what we are going to need next year...
Running back and Edge dudes are going to be especially key next year.
The nice thing is that we are in on three top-level RBs right now (Jones, Davis, Charbonnet) and likely to land at least one. If we replace Boner with Longo, I will be very confident.
At Edge we have always sucked and we will always suck until Coach K stops trying to talk fishing with Kayvon Thibideaux.
OL: B 2017: Bainivalu, Kirkland, Norgaard 2018: Ale, Curne, Mele
DL: C 2017: 2018: Bynum, Liu, Taimani, Tupuola-Fetui
EDGE: D 2017: Tryon 2018:
LB: B- 2017: Ngata 2018: Kaho, Sirmon, Tafisi
DB: C 2017: McKinney, Molden, Taylor 2018: Hampton
THE REST OF THE WAY: You can see pretty easily that life will improve a lot with maybe one more DT, an EDGE guy and a couple more DBs. Maybe an OL. If we get quality there, we are going to be in the B and up category pretty much everywhere.
NEXT YEAR: So, this pretty clearly points to what we are going to need next year...
Running back and Edge dudes are going to be especially key next year.
The nice thing is that we are in on three top-level RBs right now (Jones, Davis, Charbonnet) and likely to land at least one. If we replace Boner with Longo, I will be very confident.
At Edge we have always sucked and we will always suck until Coach K stops trying to talk fishing with Kayvon Thibideaux.
By and large, in a mature program, you want probably close to 70-75% of your starters to be players that will be in the program and starting as RS Sophs at the earliest. That leaves what remains in the 25-30% range filled by players that come into the program and within their first 2 years in the program (Frosh, RS Frosh, and true Soph) that are starting because they are genetic freaks that you can't keep off the field.
Looking at our class:
QB: Because we've sucked at recruiting leading into this year's class, we'll either be starting a RS Frosh or true Soph (either Sirmon or Yankoff) UNLESS we can get Eason into the program. The ideal scenario in my mind would be for Eason to transfer in, win the job and start for 1-2 years before being a 1st round draft pick. By that point Sirmon/Yankoff will then become a RS Soph or Junior by the time they win the job. That's ideal comparatively to what we've just had with Browning starting as a true freshman.
RB: Salvon is an absolute stud and will be starting for the next 2 years. Where Trey Lowe fits into the entire picture going forward will be interesting. We need to recruit at least 1, if not 2, guys that are Salvon's caliber in next year's class so that they can come in and play a role as freshman and then be ready to start carrying the load after Salvon likely goes to the NFL after his junior year.
WR: This is an ideal view of how positional recruiting should go. It wouldn't shock me if we find WR recruiting challenging next year and I fully expect Lubick to earn his money. That being said, there's a lot of opportunity in the WR group right now and those with talent will win out.
TE: Bryant followed by Culp is downright amazing. What sets us apart from so many programs is our ability to go multiple with our TEs by being able to run the ball down your throat while also being able to spread you out and throw. Being able to run 2 WRs and 2 TEs going forward is a difference maker for us.
OL: Bain, Curne, and Mele will be very solid starters for us going forward. I tend to think that Kirkland has a chance to be a pretty good guard. Norgaard is a project but he's got another 2 years to get where he needs to get to to play Center. Ale is a project. We can and should aspire to up the ante with recruiting here as there aren't any war daddy types there like a Fozzy. That being said, if we can get 2 guys in each class that we feel fairly confident will be All PAC caliber starters for us that's probably the goal. Assuming we're able to do that I think we're in a pretty good spot on a go-forward basis as I'm not sure anybody in our program at the moment (outside of McGary and Adams) would qualify as a potential early entry candidate.
DL Last year's DL recruiting was an abject disaster. This year's has 2 moderately strong options in Bynum and Taimani. Bronson I do think will be a player for us. As Pepsi mentioned, he was very noticeable in the practices that I went to and I expect that he'll be in the rotation next year. This year was as much about quantity as it was about quality (obviously abundance was ideal). We'll need to continue to up our game here next year as we really need a few war daddy's as right now looking through our depth after Jaylen and Levi and I'd say we have a lot of JAGs at the moment and the future outlook would suggest we may be playing a few guys before they are ready in the near future.
LB I actually like our depth heading into next year (BBK, Beavers, Wellington, and Eifler) and adding a strong class this year led by Kaho (who I fully expect will play in the depth and special teams this year before starting as a true Soph). I would imagine that at least one of the guys in this year's class will likely play somewhere on the outside but not BUCKs. I really like where this position is at right now as there's potential for a guy like Kaho to work his way into the rotation because from a talent standpoint he's elite but there are guys in front of him that will require him to earn the position.
BUCK: Another to-date abject failure. Tyron looks the part but he's still probably 2 years away at best. There's no war daddy on the roster anywhere in the future. That's a big problem when you figure that our DL quality/depth is going to take a hit after this offseason. A MASSIVE target area for the Class of 2019. We desperately need an elite pass rusher to recognize that he can come in and play early to increase the quality at the position. Otherwise, very possible that we'll be playing some JAG at some point and quite possibly someone before they are either ready to play or at a level (starting) that they aren't qualified for.
DB: We'll see where this one winds up this year. We're getting pretty good quality here but not entirely sure that the quantity is where we need it to be going forward given our desire to play 5 at a time. There will be a massive hole in the secondary after next season when we will lose Miller, McIntosh, very possibly Rapp, and quite possibly Murphy. If all that happens we're going to be in a massive depth hole where there's a very good chance that we'll be playing a guy before he's ready.
Otton is the next great white TE for us. Will maul people when he is blocking and be a good safety valve for the QB.
I’m not sure if he will be big/strong enough. I would lean towards yes because most kid’s with his football lineage are obsessed.
That said, Kizer has already dabbled as a WTE. Bryant was already out 2nd best WR, and Culp could be 6’6” 255 with both WTE and BTE skills.
I think Otton is going to be one of those kids we see next year and go WTF from how much mass he has gained similar to Bowman. He has a frame to put on some really good weight and be strong as fuck.
Good shit DDY. Stacking the '17 and '18 classes looks like a good step in the right direction to loading the roster with the elite talent needed for title runs in a couple years.
But when looking at the '16 and '17 OL and DL classes stacked together its an utter cluster fuck failure of epic proportions. Due to Nick Harris playing as a true frosh that means Twattenburg is the only OL in the '16 graduating class and Levi O. is the only DL in that class as well. Combine that with the '17 Malloe shitshow DL recruiting of ZERO recruits and only taking 3 OL with 2 being potential JAG's (Kirkland & Norgaard) we could be in real trouble in two or three years. The shit line recruiting equals out to only having 5 fucking OL/DL who are upperclassman in '20. That's assuming zero attrition which is very generous. It really worries me that we're going to have to rely heavily on sophomores and freshman for OL and DL play. How the fuck did CP and staff let this happen?
I guess what I'm saying is if we don't bring in some quality JC lineman help (unlikely with this staff) or elite high 4-star or 5-star OL/DL in the next two classes then we fucked. We can bring in all the stud WR, RB, CB, etc. players we want but if we don't have the hosses at the LOS we'll get pushed around like we did against Bama and USC all over again. Like I said I still can't believe CP allowed us to have a fucking crater sized hole in the OL and DL when we're trying to make runs at the CFP.
I’m going to make a drunken, bold Pumpy prediction that Otton moves to D. Throw him in the mix at Buck/Sam.
He probably won’t tho because he’s likely a more willing blocker than Bryant and he will certainly be a better one than Culp will initially be.
Since I hedged my bet, I’ll be right either way.
Just what we need. Another white guy trying to rush the QB. Should we move our slowest offensive line recruit MJ Ale to DT as well?
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I’m going to make a drunken, bold Pumpy prediction that Otton moves to D. Throw him in the mix at Buck/Sam.
He probably won’t tho because he’s likely a more willing blocker than Bryant and he will certainly be a better one than Culp will initially be.
Since I hedged my bet, I’ll be right either way.
Just what we need. Another white guy trying to rush the QB. Should we move our slowest offensive line recruit MJ Ale to DT as well?
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I’m not going to bash UW to make a point. Or elevate ND.
But a lot of this is just plain nonsense.
As for ND “shitting the bed” & what not....
Play a schedule. Seriously. With ND’s schedule UW is 6-6. Travel the country, play teams in California one week, then Florida the next. ND played 7 teams this year that were ranked at some point in the CFP committee top 25. ND played 5 teams in the top 15, 3 in top 10. Ten bowl teams. Multiple conference champions. Beat 3 top 15 teams by at least 3 scores. Washington played 2 ranked teams this year (zero top 10) & lost 2 games. If ND played 2-3 games a year, spread out, all in the same region, they win 11-12 of them. ND played 3 top 15 teams in 5 weeks, two different times this season.
Next, DB coaching. I understand UW loves coach Lake, but not too many people outside of the PAC12 knows who he even is? Most people know him because he is considered a negative recruiter. As far as Peterson. I’ve talked to numerous people who said he was never a serious consideration for big time jobs because he can’t handle the pressure. He is the poster child for big fish in small pond. As for UW’s future. I talked to Gene Smith (who is a major voice in the CFP committee room) & he said they won’t be fooled by PAC12 scheduling moving forward. Playing no one, & still losing games, will not get you near the playoff. They were split on UW last time, but now they are unanimous in their thinking.
I didn’t even mention ND’s history. Just now. And right now UW gets to play in a bowl game against a team that lost to a top 15 team ND blew out on the road. And UW didn’t play for a conference title in a conference ND beat the Champion by 35 points.
I wish ND played a schedule like UW so they could win 11 games every year & make the CFP with limited effort. But that is not ND’s style. Because to be legendary you have to put it all on the line. Nobody can question ND’s legacy & who they play & beat.
They have a schedule coming up that has Michigan USC Stanford VT Florida St
Followed the next year with Georgia USC Stanford VT Michigan
And those next two years don’t even mention teams like BC, Navy, Pitt, Louisville, WF, Northwestern, Syracuse, Virginia, UNC...
To be legendary you have to take chances. It’s called Man in the Arena. T. Roosevelt, 1910
ND is like the United States. Everywhere you go outside the country people tell you how the US sucks & nobody cares about them. Yet the US is the only country they care about to tell you their opinion. Because the US doesn’t suck & everybody else is just butt-hurt.
I already predicted Gordon to UW. I predicted Irvin to USC. I think they both will end up that way. Another prediction I have, & it’s the vast majority prediction, is that Chip Kelly & UCLA will soon own the PAC12. He will get all the recruits, win all the conference titles, & run it like USC did under Carroll. Peterson is now considered the third at best coach in the conference (behind Chip & Shaw).
Last, as far as academics, saying ND is not top notch is silly. Outside of Ivy & Stanford, they are next. The proof is in the pudding.
Sorry for having to lay it all out, but some on here are so out of touch with reality it is insane. So I tried to put facts without belittling UW.
P.S. Stop tweeting recruits. That’s not cool & Kyler said he didn’t appreciate it...
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Looking at our class:
QB: Because we've sucked at recruiting leading into this year's class, we'll either be starting a RS Frosh or true Soph (either Sirmon or Yankoff) UNLESS we can get Eason into the program. The ideal scenario in my mind would be for Eason to transfer in, win the job and start for 1-2 years before being a 1st round draft pick. By that point Sirmon/Yankoff will then become a RS Soph or Junior by the time they win the job. That's ideal comparatively to what we've just had with Browning starting as a true freshman.
RB: Salvon is an absolute stud and will be starting for the next 2 years. Where Trey Lowe fits into the entire picture going forward will be interesting. We need to recruit at least 1, if not 2, guys that are Salvon's caliber in next year's class so that they can come in and play a role as freshman and then be ready to start carrying the load after Salvon likely goes to the NFL after his junior year.
WR: This is an ideal view of how positional recruiting should go. It wouldn't shock me if we find WR recruiting challenging next year and I fully expect Lubick to earn his money. That being said, there's a lot of opportunity in the WR group right now and those with talent will win out.
TE: Bryant followed by Culp is downright amazing. What sets us apart from so many programs is our ability to go multiple with our TEs by being able to run the ball down your throat while also being able to spread you out and throw. Being able to run 2 WRs and 2 TEs going forward is a difference maker for us.
OL: Bain, Curne, and Mele will be very solid starters for us going forward. I tend to think that Kirkland has a chance to be a pretty good guard. Norgaard is a project but he's got another 2 years to get where he needs to get to to play Center. Ale is a project. We can and should aspire to up the ante with recruiting here as there aren't any war daddy types there like a Fozzy. That being said, if we can get 2 guys in each class that we feel fairly confident will be All PAC caliber starters for us that's probably the goal. Assuming we're able to do that I think we're in a pretty good spot on a go-forward basis as I'm not sure anybody in our program at the moment (outside of McGary and Adams) would qualify as a potential early entry candidate.
DL Last year's DL recruiting was an abject disaster. This year's has 2 moderately strong options in Bynum and Taimani. Bronson I do think will be a player for us. As Pepsi mentioned, he was very noticeable in the practices that I went to and I expect that he'll be in the rotation next year. This year was as much about quantity as it was about quality (obviously abundance was ideal). We'll need to continue to up our game here next year as we really need a few war daddy's as right now looking through our depth after Jaylen and Levi and I'd say we have a lot of JAGs at the moment and the future outlook would suggest we may be playing a few guys before they are ready in the near future.
LB I actually like our depth heading into next year (BBK, Beavers, Wellington, and Eifler) and adding a strong class this year led by Kaho (who I fully expect will play in the depth and special teams this year before starting as a true Soph). I would imagine that at least one of the guys in this year's class will likely play somewhere on the outside but not BUCKs. I really like where this position is at right now as there's potential for a guy like Kaho to work his way into the rotation because from a talent standpoint he's elite but there are guys in front of him that will require him to earn the position.
BUCK: Another to-date abject failure. Tyron looks the part but he's still probably 2 years away at best. There's no war daddy on the roster anywhere in the future. That's a big problem when you figure that our DL quality/depth is going to take a hit after this offseason. A MASSIVE target area for the Class of 2019. We desperately need an elite pass rusher to recognize that he can come in and play early to increase the quality at the position. Otherwise, very possible that we'll be playing some JAG at some point and quite possibly someone before they are either ready to play or at a level (starting) that they aren't qualified for.
DB: We'll see where this one winds up this year. We're getting pretty good quality here but not entirely sure that the quantity is where we need it to be going forward given our desire to play 5 at a time. There will be a massive hole in the secondary after next season when we will lose Miller, McIntosh, very possibly Rapp, and quite possibly Murphy. If all that happens we're going to be in a massive depth hole where there's a very good chance that we'll be playing a guy before he's ready.
Bryant is a stud. Culp has massive potential. He’s going to be a force with the ball in his hands.
I like Otton too. He just needs to get big in the weight room because he will be a smart, physical player.
That said, Kizer has already dabbled as a WTE. Bryant was already out 2nd best WR, and Culp could be 6’6” 255 with both WTE and BTE skills.
He probably won’t tho because he’s likely a more willing blocker than Bryant and he will certainly be a better one than Culp will initially be.
Since I hedged my bet, I’ll be right either way.
But when looking at the '16 and '17 OL and DL classes stacked together its an utter cluster fuck failure of epic proportions. Due to Nick Harris playing as a true frosh that means Twattenburg is the only OL in the '16 graduating class and Levi O. is the only DL in that class as well. Combine that with the '17 Malloe shitshow DL recruiting of ZERO recruits and only taking 3 OL with 2 being potential JAG's (Kirkland & Norgaard) we could be in real trouble in two or three years. The shit line recruiting equals out to only having 5 fucking OL/DL who are upperclassman in '20. That's assuming zero attrition which is very generous. It really worries me that we're going to have to rely heavily on sophomores and freshman for OL and DL play. How the fuck did CP and staff let this happen?
I guess what I'm saying is if we don't bring in some quality JC lineman help (unlikely with this staff) or elite high 4-star or 5-star OL/DL in the next two classes then we fucked. We can bring in all the stud WR, RB, CB, etc. players we want but if we don't have the hosses at the LOS we'll get pushed around like we did against Bama and USC all over again. Like I said I still can't believe CP allowed us to have a fucking crater sized hole in the OL and DL when we're trying to make runs at the CFP.
I’m not going to bash UW to make a point. Or elevate ND.
But a lot of this is just plain nonsense.
As for ND “shitting the bed” & what not....
Play a schedule. Seriously. With ND’s schedule UW is 6-6. Travel the country, play teams in California one week, then Florida the next. ND played 7 teams this year that were ranked at some point in the CFP committee top 25. ND played 5 teams in the top 15, 3 in top 10. Ten bowl teams. Multiple conference champions. Beat 3 top 15 teams by at least 3 scores.
Washington played 2 ranked teams this year (zero top 10) & lost 2 games.
If ND played 2-3 games a year, spread out, all in the same region, they win 11-12 of them. ND played 3 top 15 teams in 5 weeks, two different times this season.
Next, DB coaching. I understand UW loves coach Lake, but not too many people outside of the PAC12 knows who he even is? Most people know him because he is considered a negative recruiter.
As far as Peterson. I’ve talked to numerous people who said he was never a serious consideration for big time jobs because he can’t handle the pressure. He is the poster child for big fish in small pond.
As for UW’s future. I talked to Gene Smith (who is a major voice in the CFP committee room) & he said they won’t be fooled by PAC12 scheduling moving forward. Playing no one, & still losing games, will not get you near the playoff. They were split on UW last time, but now they are unanimous in their thinking.
I didn’t even mention ND’s history. Just now. And right now UW gets to play in a bowl game against a team that lost to a top 15 team ND blew out on the road. And UW didn’t play for a conference title in a conference ND beat the Champion by 35 points.
I wish ND played a schedule like UW so they could win 11 games every year & make the CFP with limited effort. But that is not ND’s style. Because to be legendary you have to put it all on the line. Nobody can question ND’s legacy & who they play & beat.
They have a schedule coming up that has Michigan
USC
Stanford
VT
Florida St
Followed the next year with
Georgia
USC
Stanford
VT
Michigan
And those next two years don’t even mention teams like BC, Navy, Pitt, Louisville, WF, Northwestern, Syracuse, Virginia, UNC...
To be legendary you have to take chances.
It’s called Man in the Arena.
T. Roosevelt, 1910
ND is like the United States. Everywhere you go outside the country people tell you how the US sucks & nobody cares about them. Yet the US is the only country they care about to tell you their opinion. Because the US doesn’t suck & everybody else is just butt-hurt.
I already predicted Gordon to UW. I predicted Irvin to USC. I think they both will end up that way.
Another prediction I have, & it’s the vast majority prediction, is that Chip Kelly & UCLA will soon own the PAC12. He will get all the recruits, win all the conference titles, & run it like USC did under Carroll. Peterson is now considered the third at best coach in the conference (behind Chip & Shaw).
Last, as far as academics, saying ND is not top notch is silly. Outside of Ivy & Stanford, they are next. The proof is in the pudding.
Sorry for having to lay it all out, but some on here are so out of touch with reality it is insane. So I tried to put facts without belittling UW.
P.S. Stop tweeting recruits. That’s not cool & Kyler said he didn’t appreciate it...