It's a shame we are all poor losers. We could be the Hardcore Husky Hunters. Not sure if $7.11 scrapped together from all of us would woo Togiai or not.
Our coach was a god in Idaho for 10 years. We were recruiting a (half) Poly kid with a Poly dude that has known him for years. We currently have one of the best DLs in the country. We are the best team close to Tommy. We have a kid on our roster from Highland.
And Bruce Wayne comes by and all we hear is rhythmic slapping sounds in the club bathroom.
If this recruitment was on the level I would tend to agree ... we know it likely wasn’t ...
I don’t see us playing that game ...
So the question is can we recruit at a high enough level without that to be able to compete?
Winning a national title will always be a stretch goal ... it’s not impossible but we will likely never be the favorite to do so
Only way you win a national title is with repetitive top ten or better recruiting classes. Call them Tier 1 schools. UW is Tier 2. There is one exception to this rule that gives you a slight hope to win or challenge for a title. Having a game changing QB. Marcus Mariota and Deshaun Watson proved this exception holds true as at the time both those programs would have had past years of Tier 2 level recruiting. Can't see UW moving into the top tier of recruiting unless Petersen philosophically switches to staff with better recruiting chops so best shot to pose a serious challenge has to come from Yankoff or Sirmon being elite. Hope rules.
UW has always been at best at the Top end of Tier 2 ...
You can win conference titles at that level on a relatively decent basis given that the only elite P12 school is USC (UCLA has the ability to be elite but rarely is) ...
But you are right, to compete at a national level we will always need to develop guys and then hope that the timing lines up for us to have that elite QB or whatnot that can push us over the top
Our coach was a god in Idaho for 10 years. We were recruiting a (half) Poly kid with a Poly dude that has known him for years. We currently have one of the best DLs in the country. We are the best team close to Tommy. We have a kid on our roster from Highland.
And Bruce Wayne comes by and all we hear is rhythmic slapping sounds in the club bathroom.
If this recruitment was on the level I would tend to agree ... we know it likely wasn’t ...
I don’t see us playing that game ...
So the question is can we recruit at a high enough level without that to be able to compete?
Winning a national title will always be a stretch goal ... it’s not impossible but we will likely never be the favorite to do so
Only way you win a national title is with repetitive top ten or better recruiting classes. Call them Tier 1 schools. UW is Tier 2. There is one exception to this rule that gives you a slight hope to win or challenge for a title. Having a game changing QB. Marcus Mariota and Deshaun Watson proved this exception holds true as at the time both those programs would have had past years of Tier 2 level recruiting. Can't see UW moving into the top tier of recruiting unless Petersen philosophically switches to staff with better recruiting chops so best shot to pose a serious challenge has to come from Yankoff or Sirmon being elite. Hope rules.
UW has always been at best at the Top end of Tier 2 ...
You can win conference titles at that level on a relatively decent basis given that the only elite P12 school is USC (UCLA has the ability to be elite but rarely is) ...
But you are right, to compete at a national level we will always need to develop guys and then hope that the timing lines up for us to have that elite QB or whatnot that can push us over the top
Agree. Still think Pete leans towards "coaches" rather than "recruiters" on staff. He's gotta realize he's bumping up against a glass ceiling unless he starts winning some of these major recruiting battles. As much as I like Petersen and think him a terrific coach I hesitate to say he will change from what has worked for him forever. At the very least, the 10th staff member has to be someone with a dynamite recruiting rep and also he needs to clear up the Jimmy Lake "will he be here?" situation.
Let me get this straight, all we have left for hope is one or more of Kaho, Tremblay, and Gordon? What a shitty finish! To be honest, I’ve seen no indications we get any of these three. Is Gordon even visiting this weekend?
Also, I am tired of rooting for the funny, interesting guy. Why can’t UW find a way to be the short, average-looking dude who rakes it in because he just doesn’t give a fuck about trying to impress anyone?
Also, I am tired of rooting for the funny, interesting guy. Why can’t UW find a way to be the short, average-looking dude who rakes it in because he just doesn’t give a fuck about trying to impress anyone?
Also, I am tired of rooting for the funny, interesting guy. Why can’t UW find a way to be the short, average-looking dude who rakes it in because he just doesn’t give a fuck about trying to impress anyone?
So, right now we are in an odd state as a program. We are doing 'pretty well' this recruiting class, but we are clearly a tier down from teams that get consistently good players like Bama, etc.
However, I've never thought we would need to compete with Bama, tOSU, USC, etc. in recruiting to be an elite program. We just have to get in that next tier. We can afford to take Mosiah Liu -IF- we get a guy like Togiai too. If we do that we ensure high levels of competition over multiple classes and—at that point—if Liu ultimately starts for us, it won't be because he's the tallest midget, it will be because he beat out dudes that are super talented.
If we can get to where half of our classes are 4-star guys, we will be in incredible shape. Why is that important? It's not necessarily because I believe 4-star guys are always more talented than 3-star guys. It's about the averages overall. So, if you are averaging getting 4-star guys, it means that generally the three star guys you are getting are probably guys who are in the same basic talent tier as your 4-star guys.
Maybe even put more simply, I want a class of HALF DDY2s and DDY3s. Is it possible? Actually, yes.
So right now we have:
QB: Sirm DDY3, Yankoff DDY2 RB: Lowe DDY3, Newton DDY2 (Lowe is playing 'Chico' which basically means Salvon, which basically means RB) WR: Auzzy DDY3, Spiker DDY3 TE: Dev DDY2 (very close to a 3) OL: Ale DDY2, Curne DDY2, Mele DDY3 (Curne is also close to being a 3). DL: Bynum DDY2, Liu DDY2, Taimani DDY2, ZTP DDY2 LB: Sirm2 DDY2, Tafisi DDY2 DB: Hampton DDY3 (counting him for expediency)
So, in the next 8 days we will find out about 5 guys who are basically all DDY3s (in order of importance). The key is, we are in the TOP TWO for each of them.
If, we somehow manage to land all these guys, we will be in rarified air. This will be a class that we put a spike in the ground on and say 'that's when our program changed'. But to do that, we are going to have to turn into a team that fucks.
As it stands, the only guy I think we have a DECENT chance with is Kaho. Everyone else I would put our chances at 20% or less for. This is why our branding as a university and program matters. How we get talked about on TV. I mean, fucking tOSU got destroyed last year 31-0 in the playoff. The narrative was we got killed and didn't belong and USC was ultimately better. This is when that shit matters.
Right now, we are like a dude who gets attention in the bar, because we are funny and interesting, but the reality is - when Bruce Wayne circles back on our chick at 1:30ish, we are fucked. The only way to avoid that is make sure your chick goes home early, is in the bathroom when he comes by or she is already pregnant. Because if those conditions aren't meant, the hot, rich dude will be banging your bitch.
When people make these snap, late-game decisions, that 'HE'S HOT' matters. It's more visceral.
Right now for each of these guys we are up against a hot, rich dude.
Togiai is tOSU Gordon is Notre Dame Kaho is Bama Irvin is Notre Dame and/or USC Tremblay is USC
I expect us to go 0/5 on these guys because of the Bruce Wayne rule. We've never closed well (except after 1990) and I don't expect that to change. At the end of the night, hormones rage and emotions run high. Bitches want sexy at the last minute when they have to make a snap decision. We aren't sexy.
At some point, we can be - and we need to be to close. Until then we are going to get fucked over at the last minute and feel disappointed every year.
So, be prepared to pull out some porn on D20 because we are most likely going home alone. It's nice to get let into the same club as Bruce Wayne, but we are about to get a lesson in what being in the big pond looks like. It's the same lesson we always learn and try to forget: we are a 7 with a good personality... but our branding as a program is a mess and we need that shit to fuck.
So, enjoy our class for what it is. We will regroup and try on Jeremiah Martin and some other DBs during the second period and that should be fun and interesting.
If we, somehow, manage to pull 3 of these guys... you will know shit is REALLY changing.
So, right now we are in an odd state as a program. We are doing 'pretty well' this recruiting class, but we are clearly a tier down from teams that get consistently good players like Bama, etc.
However, I've never thought we would need to compete with Bama, tOSU, USC, etc. in recruiting to be an elite program. We just have to get in that next tier. We can afford to take Mosiah Liu -IF- we get a guy like Togiai too. If we do that we ensure high levels of competition over multiple classes and—at that point—if Liu ultimately starts for us, it won't be because he's the tallest midget, it will be because he beat out dudes that are super talented.
If we can get to where half of our classes are 4-star guys, we will be in incredible shape. Why is that important? It's not necessarily because I believe 4-star guys are always more talented than 3-star guys. It's about the averages overall. So, if you are averaging getting 4-star guys, it means that generally the three star guys you are getting are probably guys who are in the same basic talent tier as your 4-star guys.
Maybe even put more simply, I want a class of HALF DDY2s and DDY3s. Is it possible? Actually, yes.
So right now we have:
QB: Sirm DDY3, Yankoff DDY2 RB: Lowe DDY3, Newton DDY2 (Lowe is playing 'Chico' which basically means Salvon, which basically means RB) WR: Auzzy DDY3, Spiker DDY3 TE: Dev DDY2 (very close to a 3) OL: Ale DDY2, Curne DDY2, Mele DDY3 (Curne is also close to being a 3). DL: Bynum DDY2, Liu DDY2, Taimani DDY2, ZTP DDY2 LB: Sirm2 DDY2, Tafisi DDY2 DB: Hampton DDY3 (counting him for expediency)
So, in the next 8 days we will find out about 5 guys who are basically all DDY3s (in order of importance). The key is, we are in the TOP TWO for each of them.
If, we somehow manage to land all these guys, we will be in rarified air. This will be a class that we put a spike in the ground on and say 'that's when our program changed'. But to do that, we are going to have to turn into a team that fucks.
As it stands, the only guy I think we have a DECENT chance with is Kaho. Everyone else I would put our chances at 20% or less for. This is why our branding as a university and program matters. How we get talked about on TV. I mean, fucking tOSU got destroyed last year 31-0 in the playoff. The narrative was we got killed and didn't belong and USC was ultimately better. This is when that shit matters.
Right now, we are like a dude who gets attention in the bar, because we are funny and interesting, but the reality is - when Bruce Wayne circles back on our chick at 1:30ish, we are fucked. The only way to avoid that is make sure your chick goes home early, is in the bathroom when he comes by or she is already pregnant. Because if those conditions aren't meant, the hot, rich dude will be banging your bitch.
When people make these snap, late-game decisions, that 'HE'S HOT' matters. It's more visceral.
Right now for each of these guys we are up against a hot, rich dude.
Togiai is tOSU Gordon is Notre Dame Kaho is Bama Irvin is Notre Dame and/or USC Tremblay is USC
I expect us to go 0/5 on these guys because of the Bruce Wayne rule. We've never closed well (except after 1990) and I don't expect that to change. At the end of the night, hormones rage and emotions run high. Bitches want sexy at the last minute when they have to make a snap decision. We aren't sexy.
At some point, we can be - and we need to be to close. Until then we are going to get fucked over at the last minute and feel disappointed every year.
So, be prepared to pull out some porn on D20 because we are most likely going home alone. It's nice to get let into the same club as Bruce Wayne, but we are about to get a lesson in what being in the big pond looks like. It's the same lesson we always learn and try to forget: we are a 7 with a good personality... but our branding as a program is a mess and we need that shit to fuck.
So, enjoy our class for what it is. We will regroup and try on Jeremiah Martin and some other DBs during the second period and that should be fun and interesting.
If we, somehow, manage to pull 3 of these guys... you will know shit is REALLY changing.
3 for 5 = we fucking, bitches!
#Furious
Doesn't matter. The Rainier Beach coach might not like us.
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You can win conference titles at that level on a relatively decent basis given that the only elite P12 school is USC (UCLA has the ability to be elite but rarely is) ...
But you are right, to compete at a national level we will always need to develop guys and then hope that the timing lines up for us to have that elite QB or whatnot that can push us over the top
"recruiters" on staff. He's gotta realize he's bumping up
against a glass ceiling unless he starts winning some of these
major recruiting battles. As much as I like Petersen and think
him a terrific coach I hesitate to say he will change from what has
worked for him forever. At the very least, the 10th staff member
has to be someone with a dynamite recruiting rep and also he needs
to clear up the Jimmy Lake "will he be here?" situation.
and i am supposed to laugh
but i am dead inside lol
fuck recruiting
If I ever see Furious Five and Yankoff 2 star in the same thread again:
Don't push me....
#Furious