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Great idea. Get politics out of the intelligence business
doogie
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I knew Trump would find a work around that will restore confidence the intelligence he’s been getting.
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/
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Engrish please.doogie said:I knew Trump would find a work around that will restore confidence the intelligence he’s been getting.
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/ -
You too dumb to understand, again?
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I'll translate: Trump white house weighing plans for private spies to counter Obama plants.
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Let me think about it.
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It's almost like you didn't read the article. Just the headline.Sledog said:I'll translate: Trump white house weighing plans for private spies to counter Obama plants.
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Pretty clear why you want Obama spies to remain, fucking things up but, the President needs accurate actionable intelligence. If Government workers can't function appropriately and/or effectively, they must be replaced by an intelligence organization who will.ThomasFremont said:Let me think about it.
No.
Besides, think of all the Pensions and Health care costs we'll be saving! -
From that article. You support this? Smells of dictatorship to me.doogie said:
Pretty clear why you want Obama spies to remain, fucking things up but, the President needs accurate actionable intelligence. If Government workers can't function appropriately and/or effectively, they must be replaced by an intelligence organization who will.ThomasFremont said:Let me think about it.
No.
Besides, think of all the Pensions and Health care costs we'll be saving!
“Pompeo can’t trust the CIA bureaucracy, so we need to create this thing that reports just directly to him,” said a former senior U.S. intelligence official with firsthand knowledge of the proposals, in describing White House discussions. “It is a direct-action arm, totally off the books,” this person said, meaning the intelligence collected would not be shared with the rest of the CIA or the larger intelligence community. “The whole point is this is supposed to report to the president and Pompeo directly.” -
I don't see any downside to politicizing the nation's national security infrastructure.
Know who else had a problem with his spy agency?
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And Godwin is in!
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Unfortunately Trump and Trumpism are adoptinng tactics and rationales straight from the Fascist playbook:
Umberto Eco sez-
"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
"Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). See also Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will. -
Sure they are. Sure they are
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Eco >>> Race
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Reagan is a Nazi
Bush is a Nazi
Bush is a Nazi
Trump is a Nazi
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Ironically enough, I'm reading The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. (Hitler is on the cusp of heading into Austria) I find far more similarities with how the left does business than anything Trump is doing. Frankly it's not even close.AZDuck said:Unfortunately Trump and Trumpism are adoptinng tactics and rationales straight from the Fascist playbook:
I know that doesn't fit your narrative, but it's true. -
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You're right, it doesn't. But I'd be interested to read your thoughts and analysispawz said:
Ironically enough, I'm reading The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. (Hitler is on the cusp of heading into Austria) I find far more similarities with how the left does business than anything Trump is doing.AZDuck said:Unfortunately Trump and Trumpism are adoptinng tactics and rationales straight from the Fascist playbook:
I know that doesn't fit your narrative, but it's true. -
I thought about doing a book report for the Bored, but that takes a lot of fucking time.AZDuck said:
You're right, it doesn't. But I'd be interested to read your thoughts and analysispawz said:
Ironically enough, I'm reading The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. (Hitler is on the cusp of heading into Austria) I find far more similarities with how the left does business than anything Trump is doing.AZDuck said:Unfortunately Trump and Trumpism are adoptinng tactics and rationales straight from the Fascist playbook:
I know that doesn't fit your narrative, but it's true.
We'll see. Maybe. -
thesis and bullet points?pawz said:
I thought about doing a book report for the Bored, but that takes a lot of fucking time.AZDuck said:
You're right, it doesn't. But I'd be interested to read your thoughts and analysispawz said:
Ironically enough, I'm reading The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich. (Hitler is on the cusp of heading into Austria) I find far more similarities with how the left does business than anything Trump is doing.AZDuck said:Unfortunately Trump and Trumpism are adoptinng tactics and rationales straight from the Fascist playbook:
I know that doesn't fit your narrative, but it's true.
We'll see. Maybe. -
AZDuck said:
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Eco again:RaceBannon said:
"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death."The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death." -
I'm the last person anxious to die
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The prior administration has planted committed supporters in important posts that were instructed to spy, sabotage and disrupt the incoming administrations agenda. Just look at the Mueller team....
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link?Sledog said:The prior administration has planted committed supporters in important posts that were instructed to spy, sabotage and disrupt the incoming administrations agenda. Just look at the Mueller team....
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I always chuckle at troomps. Who think Obama is a communist. But support Trump setting up his own spy organization with accountability only to him.
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Hondo I see you've still never read Obozo's own books. But then when you're a commie too you wouldn't want to out your boy.
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I wanna know about these deep state senior civil service moles that were planted with the idea of popping up when/if Donald Trump was elected President.
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I want to know why people feel POTUS doesn't need uncompromised, tImely accurate intelligence.
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He gets that already, from the same professionals who gave it to Obummer, Bush2, Clinton, Bush1, Reagan, etc. etc. etc. back to the days of the OSS.
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is this a bot?
