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Hate Monopolies? Then You Should be Pissed About the Abolition of Net Neutrality

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    ToddTurnerLIVESToddTurnerLIVES Member Posts: 438
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    AZDuck said:

    Could have sworn I just read a great poast from ToddTurnerLives about how net neutrality works using electrical companies as an example and it went poof...

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    I did write one and accidentally deleted it. I'll write it up again here in a second. I'm working my 9-5 so I need to find time to sneak it in.
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    oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    NEsnake12 said:

    Or: The chinfrastructure companies want to maximize their chinvestments. Naturally. The content companies want to distribute for the lowest possible cost. Naturally.
    I fail to see heroes and villains in all this.

    False equivalency because the chinfrastructure companies and content companies exist in 2 completely different competitive markets.

    ISP's, especially high-speed cable ones, are (and need to be treated like) utilities. Many markets are limited to a single high-speed ISP because of extreme barriers to entry for any competition... whether they're either too remote to be economically feasible to set up in infrastructure in or (in downtown Seattle's case with Comcast) there are historical landmark laws protecting the only existing infrastructure.

    Content companies exist in a much more open market where the only real barriers to entry are the web hosts and search engines they have to work to get their content to pop up on searches.

    So I'm of the opinion that it's not fair to let an ISP that has near monopolistic power in many markets to be allowed to do whatever they please to maximize their investments BECAUSE there's no competition to block them from abusing consumers and content providers without net neutrality.
    NESnake always dialed in on this subject.
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    ToddTurnerLIVESToddTurnerLIVES Member Posts: 438
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    The most hellscape, nightmarish scenario that I can think of is if Kim Grinolds cuts a deal with Comcast to be the sole provider of University of Washington football news on the Comcast network. Comcast could essentially block you from accessing hardcorehusky.com!!!!!!
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    HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,953
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    The problem is the Internets is lots of thing including information...much different than electricity or phone service. You don't want anyone in charge of filtering that, but if you had a choice of the lesser of 2 evils would you chose the govt or private industry to have control of that? Up to this point it's been private industry and they haven't been able to control shite...I'm missing the evil event that happened that said this structure was wrong and we need govt to take over.

    When one of the main people pushing it says it will allow the FCC and its political appointees to shape “media policy, social policy, oversight of the political process, [and] issues of free speech.” that should scare lots of people.
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    dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,220
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    I don't trust Comcast any more than I trust the government.

    But this looks like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist to me.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,806
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    NEsnake12 said:

    Or: The chinfrastructure companies want to maximize their chinvestments. Naturally. The content companies want to distribute for the lowest possible cost. Naturally.
    I fail to see heroes and villains in all this.

    False equivalency because the chinfrastructure companies and content companies exist in 2 completely different competitive markets.

    ISP's, especially high-speed cable ones, are (and need to be treated like) utilities. Many markets are limited to a single high-speed ISP because of extreme barriers to entry for any competition... whether they're either too remote to be economically feasible to set up in infrastructure in or (in downtown Seattle's case with Comcast) there are historical landmark laws protecting the only existing infrastructure.

    Content companies exist in a much more open market where the only real barriers to entry are the web hosts and search engines they have to work to get their content to pop up on searches.

    So I'm of the opinion that it's not fair to let an ISP that has near monopolistic power in many markets to be allowed to do whatever they please to maximize their investments BECAUSE there's no competition to block them from abusing consumers and content providers without net neutrality.
    So if I like my porn, I can keep it ?
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    AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
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    NEsnake12 said:

    Or: The chinfrastructure companies want to maximize their chinvestments. Naturally. The content companies want to distribute for the lowest possible cost. Naturally.
    I fail to see heroes and villains in all this.

    False equivalency because the chinfrastructure companies and content companies exist in 2 completely different competitive markets.

    ISP's, especially high-speed cable ones, are (and need to be treated like) utilities. Many markets are limited to a single high-speed ISP because of extreme barriers to entry for any competition... whether they're either too remote to be economically feasible to set up in infrastructure in or (in downtown Seattle's case with Comcast) there are historical landmark laws protecting the only existing infrastructure.

    Content companies exist in a much more open market where the only real barriers to entry are the web hosts and search engines they have to work to get their content to pop up on searches.

    So I'm of the opinion that it's not fair to let an ISP that has near monopolistic power in many markets to be allowed to do whatever they please to maximize their investments BECAUSE there's no competition to block them from abusing consumers and content providers without net neutrality.
    So if I like my porn, I can keep it ?
    Axe Ajit Pai.
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    Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
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    AZDuck said:

    NEsnake12 said:

    Or: The chinfrastructure companies want to maximize their chinvestments. Naturally. The content companies want to distribute for the lowest possible cost. Naturally.
    I fail to see heroes and villains in all this.

    False equivalency because the chinfrastructure companies and content companies exist in 2 completely different competitive markets.

    ISP's, especially high-speed cable ones, are (and need to be treated like) utilities. Many markets are limited to a single high-speed ISP because of extreme barriers to entry for any competition... whether they're either too remote to be economically feasible to set up in infrastructure in or (in downtown Seattle's case with Comcast) there are historical landmark laws protecting the only existing infrastructure.

    Content companies exist in a much more open market where the only real barriers to entry are the web hosts and search engines they have to work to get their content to pop up on searches.

    So I'm of the opinion that it's not fair to let an ISP that has near monopolistic power in many markets to be allowed to do whatever they please to maximize their investments BECAUSE there's no competition to block them from abusing consumers and content providers without net neutrality.
    So if I like my porn, I can keep it ?
    Axe Ajit Pai.
    Is this part of the Mooslim takeover?
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    GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,481
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    NEsnake12 said:

    Or: The chinfrastructure companies want to maximize their chinvestments. Naturally. The content companies want to distribute for the lowest possible cost. Naturally.
    I fail to see heroes and villains in all this.

    False equivalency because the chinfrastructure companies and content companies exist in 2 completely different competitive markets.

    ISP's, especially high-speed cable ones, are (and need to be treated like) utilities. Many markets are limited to a single high-speed ISP because of extreme barriers to entry for any competition... whether they're either too remote to be economically feasible to set up in infrastructure in or (in downtown Seattle's case with Comcast) there are historical landmark laws protecting the only existing infrastructure.

    Content companies exist in a much more open market where the only real barriers to entry are the web hosts and search engines they have to work to get their content to pop up on searches.

    So I'm of the opinion that it's not fair to let an ISP that has near monopolistic power in many markets to be allowed to do whatever they please to maximize their investments BECAUSE there's no competition to block them from abusing consumers and content providers without net neutrality.
    Don't think I made an equivalency betwixt the two. In very simple terms, those are two of many business aims concerned parties are pursuing through governmental action.

    There seems to be a big guy vs little guys narrative in this debate. Big big money came in on both sides. No one gives a shit about sweatpants blogs. Netflix cares very much about its licensing deals.

    The last mile comparison between isp and utilities kinda works and kinda doesn't. We haven't seen anyway to get electricity into a house other than a wire and probably won't. Sorry Nikola, good try good effort. There are two, maybe 4, connectivities for residiential broadband. I wonder what more regulation would do to investments in fixed point wireless, which is a big deal for underserved areas.

    Then there's the focus on what might be taken away. Ignored are what could be added. For instance, QoS on voip, or site-to-site vpn.

    Most this shit, I don't really care about. But I guess why I don't want FCC involvement is because of FCC involvement.
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    Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
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    Ok, a serious question.

    We have Google and AT&T fiber internet here. It's fucking retarded how fast it is. Like the entire Viet Cong army could be at your house streaming 4k porn at your house with no lag.

    I just don't see how you could tell between a preferred and non-preferred web content. It's like 1080p and 4k. I can kind of see a difference, but it's not enough to matter. If Netflix gets all 1,000mbps and HH only gets 500mbps no one will notice.
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    phineasphineas Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,724
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    This is all a mute point when the meteor hits
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    UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,108
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    NEsnake12 said:

    Or: The chinfrastructure companies want to maximize their chinvestments. Naturally. The content companies want to distribute for the lowest possible cost. Naturally.
    I fail to see heroes and villains in all this.

    False equivalency because the chinfrastructure companies and content companies exist in 2 completely different competitive markets.

    ISP's, especially high-speed cable ones, are (and need to be treated like) utilities. Many markets are limited to a single high-speed ISP because of extreme barriers to entry for any competition... whether they're either too remote to be economically feasible to set up in infrastructure in or (in downtown Seattle's case with Comcast) there are historical landmark laws protecting the only existing infrastructure.

    Content companies exist in a much more open market where the only real barriers to entry are the web hosts and search engines they have to work to get their content to pop up on searches.

    So I'm of the opinion that it's not fair to let an ISP that has near monopolistic power in many markets to be allowed to do whatever they please to maximize their investments BECAUSE there's no competition to block them from abusing consumers and content providers without net neutrality.
    Don't think I made an equivalency betwixt the two. In very simple terms, those are two of many business aims concerned parties are pursuing through governmental action.

    There seems to be a big guy vs little guys narrative in this debate. Big big money came in on both sides. No one gives a shit about sweatpants blogs. Netflix cares very much about its licensing deals.

    The last mile comparison between isp and utilities kinda works and kinda doesn't. We haven't seen anyway to get electricity into a house other than a wire and probably won't. Sorry Nikola, good try good effort. There are two, maybe 4, connectivities for residiential broadband. I wonder what more regulation would do to investments in fixed point wireless, which is a big deal for underserved areas.

    Then there's the focus on what might be taken away. Ignored are what could be added. For instance, QoS on voip, or site-to-site vpn.

    Most this shit, I don't really care about. But I guess why I don't want FCC involvement is because of FCC involvement.
    Funny thing about Netflix is they no longer care, at least they aren't doing much this time around. They are big enough to pay whatever extortion Comcast wants, and they are willing to do it because it stifles most of their competition.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Net Neutrality

    Climate Change

    Just not discussed enough here

    Or understood.
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    dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,220
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    phineas said:

    This is all a mute point when the meteor hits

    What in the fuck is taking that thing so long?
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    CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,493
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    People will have to start masturbating the old fashioned way... having sex.
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