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  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    salemcoog said:

    Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.

    Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.

    AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.

    So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?

    Well said.

    As to the the general populous taking on the military it wouldn't even be a contest and it's set up that way. Every military installation inside of the continental US is stockpiled to last seven days without resupply. There is a firearm for every citizen in the country. Most military bases have a tiny small arm supply.

    We are designed to unite far away or unite in regions to take on others. If there was a true revolution the military would put up a fight for a few days, but that's it.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,697 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.

    Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.

    AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.

    So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?

    To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.

    The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
    Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?
    List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:

    - New Zealand
    - Canada
    - Australia
    - Norway
    - France
    - Great Britain
    - Switzerland

    No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns.

  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited November 2017



    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.

    Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.

    AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.

    So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?

    To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.

    The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
    Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?
    List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:

    - New Zealand
    - Canada
    - Australia
    - Norway
    - France
    - Great Britain
    - Switzerland

    No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns.

    Fake motherfucking news. I don't know about the other countries on that list, but Canada does not have strong democratic institutions or traditions. Maybe in the past. Not anymore. The left there criminilizes free speech, fines comedians for telling the wrong type of jokes, and just passed a 'blasphemy law' protecting Islam from criticism. https://gatestoneinstitute.org/10015/canada-blasphemy-laws
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,697 Founders Club



    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.

    Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.

    AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.

    So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?

    To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.

    The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
    Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?
    List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:

    - New Zealand
    - Canada
    - Australia
    - Norway
    - France
    - Great Britain
    - Switzerland

    No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns.

    Fake motherfucking news. I don't know about the other countries on that list, but Canada does not have strong democratic institutions or traditions. Maybe in the past. Not anymore. The left there criminilizes free speech, fines comedians for telling the wrong type of jokes, and just passed a 'blasphemy law' protecting Islam from criticism. https://gatestoneinstitute.org/10015/canada-blasphemy-laws
    And you're alright in my book too, OBK, but you're grossly overstating the Islamo-fuck threat to the West. Yes, they are a pain in fucking ass in France, Germany, UK, etc, but they aren't going to take over those countries and turn them into some sort of Caliphate. The French were willing to lose a 1,000,000 KIA in WWI to not get overrun by the Germans; 150,000 in a few months in WWII; another 50,000 trying to keep Algerian and Indochina. Yes, they may be pussies, but when there is an existential threat they will fucking fight.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457



    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.

    Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.

    AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.

    So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?

    To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.

    The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
    Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?
    List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:

    - New Zealand
    - Canada
    - Australia
    - Norway
    - France
    - Great Britain
    - Switzerland

    No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns.

    Fake motherfucking news. I don't know about the other countries on that list, but Canada does not have strong democratic institutions or traditions. Maybe in the past. Not anymore. The left there criminilizes free speech, fines comedians for telling the wrong type of jokes, and just passed a 'blasphemy law' protecting Islam from criticism. https://gatestoneinstitute.org/10015/canada-blasphemy-laws
    But you like it when your president tells private businesses to fire people who exercise free speech.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    2001400ex said:



    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.

    Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.

    AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.

    So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?

    To your point about shooting guns in the woods, why not allow people to have access to an AR-15 at some private, well regulated shooting range, where the weapon must be locked up after use and not allowed off the premises? I mean for fuck's sake, what possible scenario/s exists where an individual needs more than a handgun or 12 gauge pump to protect their home from intruders? It's so remote that you have higher odds of being struck by lightning.

    The who prevention of tyranny argument is the most FS of them all. The issue of militias vs the federales was settled on the battlefield between 1861- 65 and the feds won. And that was in an era of extremely crude weapons technology where the feds didn't have much better firepower other than a few Henry Rifles and some Gatling Guns.
    Tyranny requires an unarmed populace. The military has to be a willing accomplice for tyranny by force and that's not likely here at the moment. tyranny of government is though as we can see with the election rigging and tyranny of the left. I di notsee you calling for banning truck rental, gasolibne purchases or other previously used means of killing people. Why is that?
    List of countries here with extremely low rates of gun ownership/deaths in comparison with the US:

    - New Zealand
    - Canada
    - Australia
    - Norway
    - France
    - Great Britain
    - Switzerland

    No tyranny or recent history thereof in any of these places. Strong democratic intuitions and traditions are the guarantor of our liberty, not fucking guns.

    Fake motherfucking news. I don't know about the other countries on that list, but Canada does not have strong democratic institutions or traditions. Maybe in the past. Not anymore. The left there criminilizes free speech, fines comedians for telling the wrong type of jokes, and just passed a 'blasphemy law' protecting Islam from criticism. https://gatestoneinstitute.org/10015/canada-blasphemy-laws
    But you like it when your president tells private businesses to fire people who exercise free speech.
    Trump suggesting NFL owners should fire the kneelers is not the same as fining a comedian for telling a joke. But I don't expect you to understand that.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    If the NRA doesn't take the lead on keeping guns out of the hands of assholes like the one in Texas, it's going to be done for them. As a gun owner with a brain, I can read the fucking Tea Leaves. Fix it before it's fixed by Libs, for all of us.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254

    Dude61 said:

    salemcoog said:

    Eventually taking measures to protect dozens of Americans from being massacred should trump taking away the fun of unloading 30 rounds in 3 seconds at a target in the woods. You’d think that Congress would have gotten it after the mother of all turkey shoots happened in Vegas. The sad thing is that they still trot out the same tired statement when it happened again Sunday. I guess if it doesn’t happen to your family friends or coworkers than it didn’t happen at all.

    Citizens being armed with assault rifles will never stop tyranny in this day and age. If our government wanted to crack down on us, they could do it anytime.

    AR 15s have two functions in life. To unload a bunch of rounds with some buddies in the woods. Or to mow down innocent Americans out living their life.

    So considering that, who in their right mind can still support further legal purchase of these weapons?

    It was a private citizen armed with an AR-15 that stopped the shooter in Texas. Government failed to do its job on multiple levels in allowing the shooting to happen in the first place.
    The shooter had already cleared the church, including walking up and down the aisles. nothing was stopped.
    How do you know he wasn't off to find more people to shoot? He was taken out before he could shoot more people.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,593 Standard Supporter

    If the NRA doesn't take the lead on keeping guns out of the hands of assholes like the one in Texas, it's going to be done for them. As a gun owner with a brain, I can read the fucking Tea Leaves. Fix it before it's fixed by Libs, for all of us.

    The U.S. government failed in this case but somehow a private organization could have stopped it?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,593 Standard Supporter
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. Liberty is an armed sheep.