NFL ratings slide continues
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"It's the wrong time to protest"
Newsflash. Had they chosen the "right time to protest." It would get 0 coverage and no one would give a fuck -
You know, maybe some middle ground could be found where the NFL starts donating seriously to PTSD causes (obvious tie in to brain health and they could use the good pub), or traumatic brain injuries from the battlefield (also obvious tie in)...something where the league and the players could demonstrate that hey, our flag shit has absolutely nothing to do with vets and we are going to go overboard to support them.dhdawg said:
pointing out how much money they make is just total bullshit.oregonblitzkrieg said:There is a ton of disgust (a lot more than people think) with multi-millionaire athletes disrespecting the sacrifices that millions of dead soldiers made so they can play football instead of wearing a dirty pair of striped pajamas, hoping those "arbeit macht frei" signs really mean what they say. It's disrespectful plain and simple, and people don't dig that. If you want to protest, find another way, this isn't working, and you'll be lumped into the same bucket of scum as antifa in most peoples' minds.
Prediction: owners will start wising up, and the first ones to do it will be rewarded with new fans, or fans that switch loyalty from teams that continue to tolerate this rebellion. Slamming the agenda of the out of orbit left will pay dividends. The election of Trump clearly demonstrates that.
how dare members of a historically oppressed minority utilize one of the few industries they actually have institutional power to give a voice to those who don't that power. How dare they. Kaepernick may have sacrificed his own career for it, selfish prick.
you can honor the troops and their sacrifices in a number of different ways. just because you've decided that's how they should do it doesn't mean it's the only one.
I would still disagree with their stance on this, but I get it, I am not the "normal" American anymore in the sense that I did go to war, and so I have a different viewpoint than many perhaps. It fucking bothers me when people don't respect the national anthem and the flag. I used to land in Qatar occasionally and see the flag draped coffins getting unloaded from C-130's to be prepped for the flight back home for burial. Very hard to support millionaire athletes protesting after seeing those who have paid the ultimate price being sent home with that flag.
Anyway, I don't know shit, but I do know most of middle america is not down with this protest, and they are the customers. The NFL has already aggressively sided with the players, so perhaps some major demonstration of support for the troops would help the optics on this with a large segment of their customers. -
But...but...but slavery!1!!1dhdawg said:
pointing out how much money they make is just total bullshit.oregonblitzkrieg said:There is a ton of disgust (a lot more than people think) with multi-millionaire athletes disrespecting the sacrifices that millions of dead soldiers made so they can play football instead of wearing a dirty pair of striped pajamas, hoping those "arbeit macht frei" signs really mean what they say. It's disrespectful plain and simple, and people don't dig that. If you want to protest, find another way, this isn't working, and you'll be lumped into the same bucket of scum as antifa in most peoples' minds.
Prediction: owners will start wising up, and the first ones to do it will be rewarded with new fans, or fans that switch loyalty from teams that continue to tolerate this rebellion. Slamming the agenda of the out of orbit left will pay dividends. The election of Trump clearly demonstrates that.
how dare members of a historically oppressed minority utilize one of the few industries they actually have institutional power to give a voice to those who don't that power. How dare they. Kaepernick may have sacrificed his own career for it, selfish prick.
you can honor the troops and their sacrifices in a number of different ways. just because you've decided that's how they should do it doesn't mean it's the only one.
It's the 21st century dumbass, not the era before the civil war, the wild west or even the 1960s. If anything minorities are celebrated and given special privileges. -
Agree, but people forget that the NFL thanks you for your service during November.Swaye said:
You know, maybe some middle ground could be found where the NFL starts donating seriously to PTSD causes (obvious tie in to brain health and they could use the good pub), or traumatic brain injuries from the battlefield (also obvious tie in)...something where the league and the players could demonstrate that hey, our flag shit has absolutely nothing to do with vets and we are going to go overboard to support them.dhdawg said:
pointing out how much money they make is just total bullshit.oregonblitzkrieg said:There is a ton of disgust (a lot more than people think) with multi-millionaire athletes disrespecting the sacrifices that millions of dead soldiers made so they can play football instead of wearing a dirty pair of striped pajamas, hoping those "arbeit macht frei" signs really mean what they say. It's disrespectful plain and simple, and people don't dig that. If you want to protest, find another way, this isn't working, and you'll be lumped into the same bucket of scum as antifa in most peoples' minds.
Prediction: owners will start wising up, and the first ones to do it will be rewarded with new fans, or fans that switch loyalty from teams that continue to tolerate this rebellion. Slamming the agenda of the out of orbit left will pay dividends. The election of Trump clearly demonstrates that.
how dare members of a historically oppressed minority utilize one of the few industries they actually have institutional power to give a voice to those who don't that power. How dare they. Kaepernick may have sacrificed his own career for it, selfish prick.
you can honor the troops and their sacrifices in a number of different ways. just because you've decided that's how they should do it doesn't mean it's the only one.
I would still disagree with their stance on this, but I get it, I am not the "normal" American anymore in the sense that I did go to war, and so I have a different viewpoint than many perhaps. It fucking bothers me when people don't respect the national anthem and the flag. I used to land in Qatar occasionally and see the flag draped coffins getting unloaded from C-130's to be prepped for the flight back home for burial. Very hard to support millionaire athletes protesting after seeing those who have paid the ultimate price being sent home with that flag.
Anyway, I don't know shit, but I do know most of middle america is not down with this protest, and they are the customers. The NFL has already aggressively sided with the players, so perhaps some major demonstration of support for the troops would help the optics on this with a large segment of their customers. -
1. Affirmative action needs to die in a fire. You can't have true equality as long as you have AA.oregonblitzkrieg said:
But...but...but slavery!1!!1dhdawg said:
pointing out how much money they make is just total bullshit.oregonblitzkrieg said:There is a ton of disgust (a lot more than people think) with multi-millionaire athletes disrespecting the sacrifices that millions of dead soldiers made so they can play football instead of wearing a dirty pair of striped pajamas, hoping those "arbeit macht frei" signs really mean what they say. It's disrespectful plain and simple, and people don't dig that. If you want to protest, find another way, this isn't working, and you'll be lumped into the same bucket of scum as antifa in most peoples' minds.
Prediction: owners will start wising up, and the first ones to do it will be rewarded with new fans, or fans that switch loyalty from teams that continue to tolerate this rebellion. Slamming the agenda of the out of orbit left will pay dividends. The election of Trump clearly demonstrates that.
how dare members of a historically oppressed minority utilize one of the few industries they actually have institutional power to give a voice to those who don't that power. How dare they. Kaepernick may have sacrificed his own career for it, selfish prick.
you can honor the troops and their sacrifices in a number of different ways. just because you've decided that's how they should do it doesn't mean it's the only one.
It's the 21st century dumbass, not the era before the civil war, the wild west or even the 1960s. If anything minorities are celebrated and given special privileges.
2. I didn't realize police brutality was a special privilege. Nor did I realize getting your vote suppressed in the Deep South was a special privilege. -
Nobody with a functioning brain and citizenship is kept from voting in this country.
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Troomps hate factsdoogie said:Nobody with a functioning brain and citizenship is kept from voting in this country.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/the-real-voting-problem-in-the-2016-election-214386 -
I didn't read your bullshit link.
Name one person standing up telling the world they're being oppressed and can't vote. That will be the motherfucker proud to be too stupid to sign their own name. -
Police brutality and voting irregularities, ok its getting more specific, but kneeling at a football game doesnt clear anything up, it just pisses off fans, thats all its accomplishing.
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US District judges say it happens.doogie said:I didn't read your bullshit link.
Name one person standing up telling the world they're being oppressed and can't vote. That will be the motherfucker proud to be too stupid to sign their own name.
They know more about it than you and I do. -
You are probably right about the effectiveness of the protests.oregonblitzkrieg said:Police brutality and voting irregularities, ok its getting more specific, but kneeling at a football game doesnt clear anything up, it just pisses off fans, thats all its accomplishing.
White people melt easily.
Got a better suggestion? -
In actual news about the topic, ratings went up this week:
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ever seen a plane crash on the freeway?
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Ruh rohTierbsHsotBoobs said:In actual news about the topic, ratings went up this week:
http://deadline.com/2017/09/redskins-sunday-night-football-ratings-nfl-protests-star-trek-discovery-donald-trump-nbc-1202176141/ -
Just because it ain't happening to you doesn't mean it ain't happening.doogie said:Nobody with a functioning brain and citizenship is kept from voting in this country.
Furthermore courts in multiple states have found district maps to be specifically drawn up to limit the black vote. -
Last night's game was crap.doogie said:
Ruh rohTierbsHsotBoobs said:In actual news about the topic, ratings went up this week:
http://deadline.com/2017/09/redskins-sunday-night-football-ratings-nfl-protests-star-trek-discovery-donald-trump-nbc-1202176141/ -
CNN'ers tuned into NFL Pre-game for fireworks. Didn't get it, turned off.
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Lather, rinse, repeatoregonblitzkrieg said:Police brutality and voting irregularities, ok its getting more specific, but kneeling at a football game doesnt clear anything up, it just pisses off fans, thats all its accomplishing.
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Yeah, as an individual, change the reverse racist attitude first. Change yourself then try to change the viewpoints of others, because no one will take your seriously until you do. In the bigger picture, it's a really complex issue. Black cops in black neighborhoods, white cops in white neighborhoods, Latino cops in Latino neighborhoods is a start. Mixed neighborhoods, mixed cops. This is probably already happening, but anyway. And get a new leader. A less divisive one. Kaeperdick is a fag who admires Che Guevara. Guevara was a communist murderer who thought it was ok to invade neighboring countries to install oppressive regimes. No one is going to take a guy like that seriously.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You are probably right about the effectiveness of the protests.oregonblitzkrieg said:Police brutality and voting irregularities, ok its getting more specific, but kneeling at a football game doesnt clear anything up, it just pisses off fans, thats all its accomplishing.
White people melt easily.
Got a better suggestion? -
Are they? For TV they are a demographic, and for certain franchises probably the majority of the customer base.Swaye said:
You know, maybe some middle ground could be found where the NFL starts donating seriously to PTSD causes (obvious tie in to brain health and they could use the good pub), or traumatic brain injuries from the battlefield (also obvious tie in)...something where the league and the players could demonstrate that hey, our flag shit has absolutely nothing to do with vets and we are going to go overboard to support them.dhdawg said:
pointing out how much money they make is just total bullshit.oregonblitzkrieg said:There is a ton of disgust (a lot more than people think) with multi-millionaire athletes disrespecting the sacrifices that millions of dead soldiers made so they can play football instead of wearing a dirty pair of striped pajamas, hoping those "arbeit macht frei" signs really mean what they say. It's disrespectful plain and simple, and people don't dig that. If you want to protest, find another way, this isn't working, and you'll be lumped into the same bucket of scum as antifa in most peoples' minds.
Prediction: owners will start wising up, and the first ones to do it will be rewarded with new fans, or fans that switch loyalty from teams that continue to tolerate this rebellion. Slamming the agenda of the out of orbit left will pay dividends. The election of Trump clearly demonstrates that.
how dare members of a historically oppressed minority utilize one of the few industries they actually have institutional power to give a voice to those who don't that power. How dare they. Kaepernick may have sacrificed his own career for it, selfish prick.
you can honor the troops and their sacrifices in a number of different ways. just because you've decided that's how they should do it doesn't mean it's the only one.
I would still disagree with their stance on this, but I get it, I am not the "normal" American anymore in the sense that I did go to war, and so I have a different viewpoint than many perhaps. It fucking bothers me when people don't respect the national anthem and the flag. I used to land in Qatar occasionally and see the flag draped coffins getting unloaded from C-130's to be prepped for the flight back home for burial. Very hard to support millionaire athletes protesting after seeing those who have paid the ultimate price being sent home with that flag.
Anyway, I don't know shit, but I do know most of middle america is not down with this protest, and they are the customers. The NFL has already aggressively sided with the players, so perhaps some major demonstration of support for the troops would help the optics on this with a large segment of their customers.
For other franchises, not the case. The fans in the stadium at the Skins game last night were incredibly diverse. Middle America was there, but they were a certainly a minority of the customers. -
My 2 cents on this:
Think of the NFL like Chris Brown or United Airlines. He beats the shit out of women and had probably the worst PR from that of any musician in recent memory... but that didn't end up hurting his record sales at all because at the end of the day, he was still putting out music that his fans liked. United had the dragging the guy of the plane PR disaster and barely took a pinch from that in the long run even though everyone was saying they'd boycott United.
It's the same shit with the NFL. At the end of the day it's still football, and the amount of people who'd legitimately stop watching it entirely just because of protests isn't enough to hurt it at all.
So I don't think the protests have anything to do with NFL ratings being slightly down. I think it has everything to do with the product becoming overly corporatized and less exciting than it once was. I think ratings spiked in the last few years because of the surging popularity of fantasy football (which brought in more casual fans as viewers), but it feels like fantasy hit it's plateau as a marketing tool. Also, college football has much more passion and excitement than the NFL, and it's showing now more than ever. -
This guy gets it.NEsnake12 said:My 2 cents on this:
Think of the NFL like Chris Brown or United Airlines. He beats the shit out of women and had probably the worst PR from that of any musician in recent memory... but that didn't end up hurting his record sales at all because at the end of the day, he was still putting out music that his fans liked. United had the dragging the guy of the plane PR disaster and barely took a pinch from that in the long run even though everyone was saying they'd boycott United.
It's the same shit with the NFL. At the end of the day it's still football, and the amount of people who'd legitimately stop watching it entirely just because of protests isn't enough to hurt it at all.
So I don't think the protests have anything to do with NFL ratings being slightly down. I think it has everything to do with the product becoming overly corporatized and less exciting than it once was. I think ratings spiked in the last few years because of the surging popularity of fantasy football (which brought in more casual fans as viewers), but it feels like fantasy hit it's plateau as a marketing tool. Also, college football has much more passion and excitement than the NFL, and it's showing now more than ever. -
Also this just happened...
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The protesting may have started because of racism in police departments issues, but now it's just turned into a silly PC protest against Trump. Maybe they should hire Hillary or Bernie to lead it. Can't wait to see them and Obama take a knee. It's going to happen. Also, poles show these protests are the primary reason more viewers have been tuning out.
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If these clowns started donating say, half of their obscene salaries to the people they claim to be protesting for, they would gain some serious credibility. But they won't. Padding their own bottom line will always be the bottom line with them (and with people in general). If owners started fining them every game they continue to do this, the protesting would wind down quickly. Gotta get the latest Lamborghini or ferarri motherfucker. Nothing else matters.
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He called them sons of bitches.oregonblitzkrieg said:The protesting may have started because of racism in police departments issues, but now it's just turned into a silly PC protest against Trump. Maybe they should hire Hillary or Bernie to lead it. Can't wait to see them and Obama take a knee. It's going to happen. Also, poles show these protests are the primary reason more viewers have been tuning out.
You call people out, you should expect a response. -
No, he did not yet, you keep repeating this false narrative. Why?
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He called NFL players sons of bitches.doogie said:No, he did not yet, you keep repeating this false narrative. Why?
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NYBETierbsHsotBoobs said:
Political Appointee US District judges say it happens.doogie said:I didn't read your bullshit link.
Name one person standing up telling the world they're being oppressed and can't vote. That will be the motherfucker proud to be too stupid to sign their own name.
They know more about it than you and I do. -
TierbsHsotBoobs said:
He called NFL players sons of bitches.doogie said:No, he did not yet, you keep repeating this false narrative. Why?
