DE Q for TSIO crew or any of you fags, reall

Rubberfist

Does the fact that the Dawgs don't have DEs hurt us? in the recruiting of guys whose frames suggest hand-on-the-ground DEs ala Jalen Phillips?

Could our? scheme potentially hurt us? with Sav'ell Smalls?

FireCohen

Dude all the fucking kids love the ideas in playing in space rushing the passer shit. Much more versatile that a DE. Should be an easier sell

dnc

WeakarmCobra said:

Dude all the fucking kids love the ideas in playing in space rushing the passer shit. Much more versatile that a DE. Should be an easier sell

This is the DDY stance, not sure we've seen the hypothesis tested enough to take it as gospel yet.

Edwin_Bambino

Everyone wants to be a Buck!

FireCohen

dnc said:

WeakarmCobra said:

Dude all the fucking kids love the ideas in playing in space rushing the passer shit. Much more versatile that a DE. Should be an easier sell

This is the DDY stance, not sure we've seen the hypothesis tested enough to take it as gospel yet.

It is better than telling them they need to take on a 300+ OL and maintain the fucking edge

Tequilla

It's an interesting theory

dnc

WeakarmCobra said:

dnc said:

WeakarmCobra said:

Dude all the fucking kids love the ideas in playing in space rushing the passer shit. Much more versatile that a DE. Should be an easier sell

This is the DDY stance, not sure we've seen the hypothesis tested enough to take it as gospel yet.

It is better than telling them they need to take on a 300+ OL and maintain the fucking edge

I think it's a good hypothesis, I just don't think we've seen enough to say it like it's a fact.

FireCohen

if a kid really wants to play with his hand down he needs to play DT, most kid like shiny shit. DE is not really that sexy of fucking job. With the buck bull shit you can sell it easier. Then again, i am fucking doof, wtf do i know?

Dennis_DeYoung

My point is not that it "works" necessarily (though I think it does if you read player interviews), just that that's what we do. We tell everyone they are playing BUCK or Chico basically.

I think in recruiting it's sort of an ante. Everyone tells kids they will be used all over the field. We tell kids that, too.

The *twist here is that I think—at least on offense—we do want kids to be hard to type. I think it's clearly to our advantage if everyone can conceivably play two positions. It makes it harder for D to adjust to your personnel.

I think Salvon might break us in that way. I think Trey Lowe is another Salvon in that way. A kid who will primarily be a RB, but also be able to go into the slot if we need him there.

Tequilla

Following on DDY's point ...

It's in part why our ability to recruit high end TEs that are well rounded is so important for us. When we can go 2 TEs it creates so many issues. We have a solid 7 in the run game that forces teams to commit 8 to stop it and leaving our WRs operating 1 on 1. But what we haven't seen in this offense yet is that TE that really doubles as a strong pass catcher.

That formation can allow us to pound a defense in the running game OR split everybody wide and force guys to cover in space that aren't particularly good at it.

It's why it is so important to be multiple

GrundleStiltzkin

BallzDeep said:

We do have DE's. They just play standing up and occasionally drop into coverage. Everybody's playing with stand-up DE's now. It's the new trend in the NFL and college football. USC runs the same defense except they play more base similar to our defense back in 2014. Their "Buck" is called "Predator" and it's the same position. Hasn't hurt them in recruiting. Oregon is running the same defense under Jim Leavitt and so will Cal under Wilcox. When UW recruits high school DE's to play Buck or Sam it's a compliment because it means they think they are athletic enough to drop and play in space.

I know your being sarcastic but Nansen plays the Predator position for USC.

Tequilla

GrundleStiltzkin said:

BallzDeep said:

We do have DE's. They just play standing up and occasionally drop into coverage. Everybody's playing with stand-up DE's now. It's the new trend in the NFL and college football. USC runs the same defense except they play more base similar to our defense back in 2014. Their "Buck" is called "Predator" and it's the same position. Hasn't hurt them in recruiting. Oregon is running the same defense under Jim Leavitt and so will Cal under Wilcox. When UW recruits high school DE's to play Buck or Sam it's a compliment because it means they think they are athletic enough to drop and play in space.

I know your being sarcastic but Nansen OJ plays played the Predator position for USC.

Fixed that for you

dnc

Tequilla said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

BallzDeep said:

We do have DE's. They just play standing up and occasionally drop into coverage. Everybody's playing with stand-up DE's now. It's the new trend in the NFL and college football. USC runs the same defense except they play more base similar to our defense back in 2014. Their "Buck" is called "Predator" and it's the same position. Hasn't hurt them in recruiting. Oregon is running the same defense under Jim Leavitt and so will Cal under Wilcox. When UW recruits high school DE's to play Buck or Sam it's a compliment because it means they think they are athletic enough to drop and play in space.

I know your being sarcastic but Nansen OJ plays played the Predator position for USC.

Fixed that for you

abundance

AlCzervik

BallzDeep said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

BallzDeep said:

We do have DE's. They just play standing up and occasionally drop into coverage. Everybody's playing with stand-up DE's now. It's the new trend in the NFL and college football. USC runs the same defense except they play more base similar to our defense back in 2014. Their "Buck" is called "Predator" and it's the same position. Hasn't hurt them in recruiting. Oregon is running the same defense under Jim Leavitt and so will Cal under Wilcox. When UW recruits high school DE's to play Buck or Sam it's a compliment because it means they think they are athletic enough to drop and play in space.

I know your being sarcastic but Nansen plays the Predator position for USC.

He's a different kind of predator. Nansen is a teen boy predator and likely an adolescent boy predator whereas Porter Gustin plays Predator in USC's defense.