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CuntWaffle
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You drafted a shit talking soft fuckstick in the first round last year. You deserve this for drafting a player out of Texas A&M you stupid fucks.
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What an asshole.
I'm fucking sick of the BS from Carroll, Schneider, and Cable - not sure any other fan base and media would tolerate this constant bullshit "positivity but I'm really just completely lying to you because I can" Another 10-6, maybe divisional title, and bounced in ththe divisional round will be special for the doogs/12s
I don't even see that much criticism on this board and I thought this board was filled with the most cynical, "win or GTFO" fucks out there...
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Talk radio (before full Snyder takeover) and media fully laid the lumber to the team at all times when they were losing - even to Gibbs upon his non-trimpuhant return as coach for part deux. Washingtons fan base, like many on that coast doesn't hesitate from criticism even when they are being held hostage by east coast Jed York - or Jed is west coast Snyder. It's a fan base that isn't dumb, but it's trapped by a terrible owner. My perception from that time period, I guess...
Conversely, a semi-recent poll on Field Gulls indicated that roughly 50% of respondents thought Tom Cable was going an adequate or better job. There's no media or talk radio manipulation in Seattle - just fucking complacent media stooges like Condooga who parrot tithe company line and a dumbass fan base addicted to carrolls stupid "positivity"/lying. 12s are hypnotized by their single super bowl win in other words.
What do you think @whlinder ?
I've lived in DC Metro my whole life except when I went to college at UW. I grew up cheering for the Skins; my first game in person was in 1989 Cowboys @ Skins, Aikman and Johnson's first season where the Cowboys went 1-15, getting the 1 in RFK. Fuck the Cowboys.
1991 was so much fucking fun, went to two games at RFK that year.
Back then the media I would say was fair; in the Washington Post it was Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon, with Tony as the cheerleader and Wilbon as cold water, but Wilbon was mostly fair in his assessments (back then- in the mid 2000s he became a gigantic douche). Kornheiser's 1991 Bandwagon series is still amazing to read.
The fans were insanely positive back then- never a doubt we'd win it all in 91. Gibbs was a saint.
After Gibbs retired the first time it sucked but soon enough we had Norv Turner and Heath Shuler to come play savior! And the fans were still all excited. Even in the 90s the fans every year thought it would be a good year. Got the new stadium, it started selling out as the team got better again. There was a 7 year drought between playoff appearances and I don't recall the media or the fans getting to "this is unacceptable!" levels of discourse. All failures were explained and accepted. They weren't ignored but they sure were accepted.
The Snyder era is where it really got bad. Wilbon & Kornheiser cut back on their Post writing to be ESPN personalities and Snyder declared war on coverage of his team that wasn't positive. He started his own media networks and of course that was all fluff. Every year was another piece of meat to throw at the fans to believe "this is the year!". New coach. New QBs. New WRs. Some hotshot rookie. Gibbs is back! Now we're hiring Jim Zorn! He's going to be great! Mike Shanahan! RG3!
Through this era, which is now 15 years running, the media criticism of the team is still there but in my view is no where close to being as critical as it should. I mean Jerry fucking Brewer is the sports columnist now at the Washington Post! Sports talk with certain hosts is critical, but it matches to the fan base which is that every year the marketing focus of some new player or coach is going to make the team awesome and we'll finally be back!
The positivity every fucking year by our* fans is something that I think is different from Philly/NY/Boston/Pittsburgh (though in Boston it may have changed now since they've had good reason to expect SBs every year). Jets fans are much more cynical. Eagles fans hate everything. Skins fans are all happy to wear their throwback jerseys of Green/Monk/Williams/Taylor/Jurgensen/Cooley and lose some more. This will be the year it's different!
This is one of the top-5 most valuable franchises, situated in a great city where players love to live, plenty of revenue, and it has not won 11 games in a regular season since 1991. The longest drought in the league. Cleveland won 11 in 1994! Over a quarter century of accepting complete shit. So I would expect the media to be harsher on such performance and I definitely think the fans are too accepting. I had cut the team back and then a couple of coaches on Shanahan's staff moved in to my hood and I got to know them a bit, so the Skins sucked me back in to caring, but post Shanny I've been done. Losers Lose and after 20 years of Snyder being in charge all of the results say he's a loser and the whole franchise reflects that. There is no other logical conclusion based on the evidence available, but media/fans all say how much he cares and tries. Bullshit. Results are what matter. Ain't done shit in a generation.
I do think the disengagement by old time fans is becoming obvious (you don't rip out 20K seats without losing some fans) but it hasn't reached the HH stage of open revolt and attacking the complacent & accepting fans. ExtremeSkins.com = Dawgman.com. Maybe there is a site out there being critical but they've killed my fandom and until Snyder is removed it won't even matter.
On the Seahawks side, both the Hawks being good and having as many fans as there are fairly recent occurrences. It may bode better for the Hawks that the current owner has actually been to the mountaintop and that all these new fans only know winning. That might force some change as the cracks start to show. Cause once those cracks are accepted as OK you're looking at a lost generation.
But...maybe the gap in positivity isn't as great across fan bases as I thought, and we should all go fuck ourselves for following the NFL in the first place
Just feels un half brain like to give PCJS a constant free pass just because the team used to suck. Peterman just won the Pac-10 and made the playoff, and he still gets tons of grief on here for recruiting misses, Malloe, etc. - and I assume he will still get that even if he wins multiple natties. That's the difference I'm trying to figure out.
Pete lost control.
Seattle will now follow San Francisco in a slow tidy-bowl- man swirl down the drain.
For the Seahawks, it's an absolute refusal to go get quality lineman. But Carroll is still a top 5 coach in the league. Maybe you run Schneider but it would be foolish to run Pete.
And as far as the Coach Pete comparison, that doesn't apply IMO.