Republican health care reform
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i was maucking AZduck.pawz said:
I'm not saying a government beaurocracy will solve the problems, so don't twist.salemcoog said:
But But... Letting the Government control the whole thing with Single Payer is gonna Lower costs!!!!pawz said:
Cuz Cuz Switzerland!!!!!
But obligating the providers to compete for the business will inherently drive down costs. ECON 101 for dummies. -
On the surface it looks good. But with that plan we would end up with even shittier healthcare providers than we have now. You peeples single payer government run health insurance works in Socialist countries like Switzerland!!! because their providers don't make much more than their ditch diggers. That shit won't fly here.Woof said:
You're not wrong. There is a huge information disparity which drives much of the market inefficiency. Has anyone ever asked prices before they go to the doctor? Insurance companies negotiate different rates, so in network and out of network can be 2-3X different in reimbusements. The other part of it is all the bureaucracy involved, which to some degree would be solved by single payer, but I'm sure that would be only temporary.pawz said:
If you're actually willing to take 15-25% then charging 4-6x in the first place might be criminal. #medicalmafiaWoof said:If you're only getting 50% off by paying cash you're a total fucking idiot.
At my old job our reimbursements were typically at about 30-40% of billed rate, which is what we got after dealing with all of the insurance shit. I saw times where we accepted 15% of what was billed when we paid cash, depending on the procedure. I'd say 25% is probably the average in the industry.
I think the way to go would be to have standardized single payer catastrophic and basic preventive care, and then let private insurance be the market for everything else, but also ensure prices are listed up front prior to treatment. -
Switzerland doesn't have single payer, but don't let that get in the way of a good rantsalemcoog said:
On the surface it looks good. But with that plan we would end up with even shittier healthcare providers than we have now. You peeples single payer government run health insurance works in Socialist countries like Switzerland!!! because their providers don't make much more than their ditch diggers. That shit won't fly here.Woof said:
You're not wrong. There is a huge information disparity which drives much of the market inefficiency. Has anyone ever asked prices before they go to the doctor? Insurance companies negotiate different rates, so in network and out of network can be 2-3X different in reimbusements. The other part of it is all the bureaucracy involved, which to some degree would be solved by single payer, but I'm sure that would be only temporary.pawz said:
If you're actually willing to take 15-25% then charging 4-6x in the first place might be criminal. #medicalmafiaWoof said:If you're only getting 50% off by paying cash you're a total fucking idiot.
At my old job our reimbursements were typically at about 30-40% of billed rate, which is what we got after dealing with all of the insurance shit. I saw times where we accepted 15% of what was billed when we paid cash, depending on the procedure. I'd say 25% is probably the average in the industry.
I think the way to go would be to have standardized single payer catastrophic and basic preventive care, and then let private insurance be the market for everything else, but also ensure prices are listed up front prior to treatment. -
Medicare is banned from negotiating drug prices, but great queery!salemcoog said:
Better queery, Let me know how the track record of the Government being semi-involved in health insurance... like ya know, here in the real world, has helped lower premiums and cost of care so far.UWhuskytskeet said: -
I have no idea what the answer is here, but I do know this: it's funny as fuck that the average American is so fucking stupid that they can't quite figure out how to support the policy that they'll benefit from, and oppose the policy that will fuck them.
Our fellow countrymen are pretty fucking helpless at the end of the day.
So much for liberty and all that. When you're really fucking stupid, you can't be free. -
I said "like" Switzerland. Not Switzerland.AZDuck said:
Switzerland doesn't have single payer, but don't let that get in the way of a good rantsalemcoog said:
On the surface it looks good. But with that plan we would end up with even shittier healthcare providers than we have now. You peeples single payer government run health insurance works in Socialist countries like Switzerland!!! because their providers don't make much more than their ditch diggers. That shit won't fly here.Woof said:
You're not wrong. There is a huge information disparity which drives much of the market inefficiency. Has anyone ever asked prices before they go to the doctor? Insurance companies negotiate different rates, so in network and out of network can be 2-3X different in reimbusements. The other part of it is all the bureaucracy involved, which to some degree would be solved by single payer, but I'm sure that would be only temporary.pawz said:
If you're actually willing to take 15-25% then charging 4-6x in the first place might be criminal. #medicalmafiaWoof said:If you're only getting 50% off by paying cash you're a total fucking idiot.
At my old job our reimbursements were typically at about 30-40% of billed rate, which is what we got after dealing with all of the insurance shit. I saw times where we accepted 15% of what was billed when we paid cash, depending on the procedure. I'd say 25% is probably the average in the industry.
I think the way to go would be to have standardized single payer catastrophic and basic preventive care, and then let private insurance be the market for everything else, but also ensure prices are listed up front prior to treatment.
I mean after all what does the "the" mean anyway. -
salemcooger might as well be living life in solitary.creepycoug said:I have no idea what the answer is here, but I do know this: it's funny as fuck that the average American is so fucking stupid that they can't quite figure out how to support the policy that they'll benefit from, and oppose the policy that will fuck them.
Our fellow countrymen are pretty fucking helpless at the end of the day.
So much for liberty and all that. When you're really fucking stupid, you can't be free. -
If I had stayed at my last job I would have voted for Obama for a 3rd term.
Made a shitload off of business being screwed over by Obamacare.
I care far more about myself than I do about political ideals.
Now that I have a small business both parties can fuck themselves because they ain't ever gonna do shit for me.
So watching liberals whine and cry seems to be the best option at the moment. -
Brilliant timing and content per usual flea.dflea said:
salemcooger might as well be living life in solitary.creepycoug said:I have no idea what the answer is here, but I do know this: it's funny as fuck that the average American is so fucking stupid that they can't quite figure out how to support the policy that they'll benefit from, and oppose the policy that will fuck them.
Our fellow countrymen are pretty fucking helpless at the end of the day.
So much for liberty and all that. When you're really fucking stupid, you can't be free.
Now, back to the show ...
Don't fucking talk to my fellow alumnus like that you fucking donkey!!! Kewg bros are bros forever and always; and we stick together like puke on a sorority girl's hair after the frat party. -
You hold girls hair back while they puke after they take a million shots and bang a bunch of other dudes.creepycoug said:
Brilliant timing and content per usual flea.dflea said:
salemcooger might as well be living life in solitary.creepycoug said:I have no idea what the answer is here, but I do know this: it's funny as fuck that the average American is so fucking stupid that they can't quite figure out how to support the policy that they'll benefit from, and oppose the policy that will fuck them.
Our fellow countrymen are pretty fucking helpless at the end of the day.
So much for liberty and all that. When you're really fucking stupid, you can't be free.
Now, back to the show ...
Don't fucking talk to my fellow alumnus like that you fucking donkey!!! Kewg bros are bros forever and always; and we stick together like puke on a sorority girl's hair after the frat party.
