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Boston has to trade for Porzingas don't they?

dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
I know they're allegedly in love with Tatum, but even as a Duke homer I can see Porzingas is a better fit for Boston than Tatum is. I'd flip that #3 pick for Porzingas in a heartbeat. There are a lot more elite wings coming available via free agency and trade than good young bigs.

Deal for Porzingas. Sign Heyward.

IT
Bradley
Heyward
Horford
Porzingas

With Smart, Crowder, Brown and Olynyk coming off the bench.

That's a hell of a team. With James all but assuredly leaving Cleveland next year, now's the time for Ainge to push his chips in and set yourselves up to become the dominant team in the east no later than 2018-2019.

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  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    dnc said:

    I know they're allegedly in love with Tatum, but even as a Duke homer I can see Porzingas is a better fit for Boston than Tatum is. I'd flip that #3 pick for Porzingas in a heartbeat. There are a lot more elite wings coming available via free agency and trade than good young bigs.

    Deal for Porzingas. Sign Heyward.

    IT
    Bradley
    Heyward
    Horford
    Porzingas

    With Smart, Crowder, Brown and Olynyk coming off the bench.

    That's a hell of a team. With James all but assuredly leaving Cleveland next year, now's the time for Ainge to push his chips in and set yourselves up to become the dominant team in the east no later than 2018-2019.

    Olynyk won't be there. He's a restricted free agent and will get a way too big contract from somebody.

    I think they would have to trade Crowder too. He doesn't strike me as a guy who would take a demotion well. He has an easy contract to move though. 7 million for an above average starting SF is a deal in today's NBA.

    Getting Porzingis would set them up well to win now and remain flexible.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Everyone should be trading for him. Philly, LA, Boston should all be throwing picks at them.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745

    dnc said:

    I know they're allegedly in love with Tatum, but even as a Duke homer I can see Porzingas is a better fit for Boston than Tatum is. I'd flip that #3 pick for Porzingas in a heartbeat. There are a lot more elite wings coming available via free agency and trade than good young bigs.

    Deal for Porzingas. Sign Heyward.

    IT
    Bradley
    Heyward
    Horford
    Porzingas

    With Smart, Crowder, Brown and Olynyk coming off the bench.

    That's a hell of a team. With James all but assuredly leaving Cleveland next year, now's the time for Ainge to push his chips in and set yourselves up to become the dominant team in the east no later than 2018-2019.

    Olynyk won't be there. He's a restricted free agent and will get a way too big contract from somebody.

    I think they would have to trade Crowder too. He doesn't strike me as a guy who would take a demotion well. He has an easy contract to move though. 7 million for an above average starting SF is a deal in today's NBA.

    Getting Porzingis would set them up well to win now and remain flexible.
    Good point on Olynyk. I don't have any insight into Crowder's psyche, I'll defer to you on that.

    But your last point is the key. Getting KP lets them shoot for winning the conference while giving them the transition piece from this era to the next. You still hopefully draft a stud with Brooklyn's pick next year and the Laker/Sacto pick, and combined with Brown you've got three young guys with high upside. If just one or two of them turns into stars to go with KP and Heyward, you can let IT and Horford go and still contend.

    Ainge should have taken Fultz, but even with that minor mistake he can still assemble a team that should be at the top of the East for 6-8 years. Porzingas is the key though to me, not sure where else they're getting a building block young big unless they can find one in the draft. They haven't yet though despite top 3 picks back to back years. I wouldn't wait when one's available like that.

    I'd throw in Crowder or Smart too if I had to.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745

    Everyone should be trading for him. Philly, LA, Boston should all be throwing picks at them.

    I can see Philly wanting Fultz over him just because they have Embiid and Saric already.

    Totally agree on the others.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Second place sucks.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Porzingas is in a different universe than Saric. Embiid and KP can play together. There are a million point guards, and Philly already has a pseudo point guard in Ben Simmons, there aren't guys like Porzingas.

    I'd give up all the picks. This is why you have picks, to get a special young talent. Let the Knicks Knick and set up your franchise for a decade.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    edited June 2017

    Porzingas is in a different universe than Saric. Embiid and KP can play together. There are a million point guards, and Philly already has a pseudo point guard in Ben Simmons, there aren't guys like Porzingas.

    I'd give up all the picks. This is why you have picks, to get a special young talent. Let the Knicks Knick and set up your franchise for a decade.

    They can't defend with Embiid, KP, and Simmons.

    I have to watch another season of Saric before saying KP is in a different universe. I bet you are right, but Saric was rapidly improving as the year went on.

    This Simmons PG experiment won't work out. A 6'10" PG? Just play him at PF and let him get 18-10-5.

    I don't blame the Lakers for not trading #2 for KP, although I would give up bum ass Brandon Ingram right away for him. I don't see it with Ingram.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    You do the Porzingis trade immediately ...

    Ideally you find a way to swap 3 + Crowder for Porzingis + 8

    You may have to give up the extra pick from Philly but whatever ... if somehow Monk fell to 8 that would then be a great fit
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745

    Porzingas is in a different universe than Saric. Embiid and KP can play together. There are a million point guards, and Philly already has a pseudo point guard in Ben Simmons, there aren't guys like Porzingas.

    I'd give up all the picks. This is why you have picks, to get a special young talent. Let the Knicks Knick and set up your franchise for a decade.

    I'm fine with giving up picks for him. They have a nice stockpile, I'd dip into that gladly. Obviously I agree KP is a big upgrade over Saric.

    I wouldn't give up Fultz though.

    IMO Fultz, Covington, Simmons, Sarik, Embid >>>> McConnell, Covington, Simmons, Porzingas, Embid.

    Even if you're saying you upgrade otherwise at PG over McConnell you're not getting someone close to Fultz's ceiling who also pairs as well with Simmons.

    They gave up so much to get Fultz because they love his talent and the fit. I don't see them passing on that for KP.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    Porzingas is in a different universe than Saric. Embiid and KP can play together. There are a million point guards, and Philly already has a pseudo point guard in Ben Simmons, there aren't guys like Porzingas.

    I'd give up all the picks. This is why you have picks, to get a special young talent. Let the Knicks Knick and set up your franchise for a decade.

    They can't defend with Embiid, KP, and Simmons.

    I have to watch another season of Saric before saying KP is in a different universe. I bet you are right, but Saric was rapidly improving as the year went on.

    This Simmons PG experiment won't work out. A 6'10" PG? Just play him at PF and let him get 18-10-5.

    I don't blame the Lakers for not trading #2 for KP, although I would give up bum ass Brandon Ingram right away for him. I don't see it with Ingram.
    I really don't see what height has to do with anything. Lebron has been a point guard his entire career and he's 6'8". Lamar Odom did it once upon a time. Giannis is currently doing it. If you'd prefer the term 'primary ball handler' ok but if that's not Simmons then he's a bust.

    Why can't they defend? They wouldn't be able to defend GSW, sure, but no one has. The Spurs trotted out Pau Gasol and Lamarcus Aldridge on their way to having a top 5 defense. I think the idea that you can't play multiple big men is overblown. There's one team in the league that can really punish it and Philly's timetable is not intersecting with them.

    It's also Embiid insurance. Porzingas and Simmons > Fultz and Simmons.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    Porzingas is in a different universe than Saric. Embiid and KP can play together. There are a million point guards, and Philly already has a pseudo point guard in Ben Simmons, there aren't guys like Porzingas.

    I'd give up all the picks. This is why you have picks, to get a special young talent. Let the Knicks Knick and set up your franchise for a decade.

    They can't defend with Embiid, KP, and Simmons.

    I have to watch another season of Saric before saying KP is in a different universe. I bet you are right, but Saric was rapidly improving as the year went on.

    This Simmons PG experiment won't work out. A 6'10" PG? Just play him at PF and let him get 18-10-5.

    I don't blame the Lakers for not trading #2 for KP, although I would give up bum ass Brandon Ingram right away for him. I don't see it with Ingram.
    I really don't see what height has to do with anything. Lebron has been a point guard his entire career and he's 6'8". Lamar Odom did it once upon a time. Giannis is currently doing it. If you'd prefer the term 'primary ball handler' ok but if that's not Simmons then he's a bust.

    Why can't they defend? They wouldn't be able to defend GSW, sure, but no one has. The Spurs trotted out Pau Gasol and Lamarcus Aldridge on their way to having a top 5 defense. I think the idea that you can't play multiple big men is overblown. There's one team in the league that can really punish it and Philly's timetable is not intersecting with them.

    It's also Embiid insurance. Porzingas and Simmons > Fultz and Simmons.
    LeBron doesn't count. Odom wasn't a real PG.

    Embiid insurance is a good point. Drafting for fit is often stupid, but Philly eventually needs an actual G. Fultz is going to be good.
  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    KnicksFuckingStupid
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    Worse executive: Michael Jordan or Phil Jackson?
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    dnc said:

    Worse executive: Michael Jordan or Phil Jackson?

    Phil.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    Porzingas is in a different universe than Saric. Embiid and KP can play together. There are a million point guards, and Philly already has a pseudo point guard in Ben Simmons, there aren't guys like Porzingas.

    I'd give up all the picks. This is why you have picks, to get a special young talent. Let the Knicks Knick and set up your franchise for a decade.

    They can't defend with Embiid, KP, and Simmons.

    I have to watch another season of Saric before saying KP is in a different universe. I bet you are right, but Saric was rapidly improving as the year went on.

    This Simmons PG experiment won't work out. A 6'10" PG? Just play him at PF and let him get 18-10-5.

    I don't blame the Lakers for not trading #2 for KP, although I would give up bum ass Brandon Ingram right away for him. I don't see it with Ingram.
    I really don't see what height has to do with anything. Lebron has been a point guard his entire career and he's 6'8". Lamar Odom did it once upon a time. Giannis is currently doing it. If you'd prefer the term 'primary ball handler' ok but if that's not Simmons then he's a bust.

    Why can't they defend? They wouldn't be able to defend GSW, sure, but no one has. The Spurs trotted out Pau Gasol and Lamarcus Aldridge on their way to having a top 5 defense. I think the idea that you can't play multiple big men is overblown. There's one team in the league that can really punish it and Philly's timetable is not intersecting with them.

    It's also Embiid insurance. Porzingas and Simmons > Fultz and Simmons.
    LeBron doesn't count. Odom wasn't a real PG.

    Embiid insurance is a good point. Drafting for fit is often stupid, but Philly eventually needs an actual G. Fultz is going to be good.
    In my original point I called Simmons a "pseudo point guard". Now Odom not being a "real" point guard is the argument against me? Some of you need to learn how to use a dictionary.
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