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Chin all seriousness, I'll take the Cavs next year

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  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks
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  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,592 Founders Club
    edited June 2017
    Tequilla said:

    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks

    First ever player to average triple double in finals history. This is the best he's ever been.
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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Waiters vs Lebron
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  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    Doogles said:

    Tequilla said:

    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks

    First ever player to average triple double in finals history. This is the best he's ever been.
    Highly disagree ... stats aren't everything
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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    Tequilla said:

    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks

    First ever player to average triple double in finals history. This is the best he's ever been.
    Highly disagree ... stats aren't everything
    Tequilla had a bit of a good point for once.

    In the high tempo era of the NBA, it's much easier to get a triple double because there are so many more possessions.

    Having said that, LeBron's chinevitable decline is probably 2-3 years away.

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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    Tequilla said:

    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks

    First ever player to average triple double in finals history. This is the best he's ever been.
    Highly disagree ... stats aren't everything
    Tequilla had a bit of a good point for once.

    In the high tempo era of the NBA, it's much easier to get a triple double because there are so many more possessions.

    Having said that, LeBron's chinevitable decline is probably 2-3 years away.

    Agree the magic of "triple double" isn't what it once was.

    Disagree that somehow LeBron wasn't at his best this series. He played great, minus the end of Game 3.

    Golden State's just better.
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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    Tequilla said:

    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks

    First ever player to average triple double in finals history. This is the best he's ever been.
    Highly disagree ... stats aren't everything
    Tequilla had a bit of a good point for once.

    In the high tempo era of the NBA, it's much easier to get a triple double because there are so many more possessions.

    Having said that, LeBron's chinevitable decline is probably 2-3 years away.

    With all due respect this is fucking stupid. It's always been easier to get a triple double in a high tempo game. Just because it took you this long to figure that out doesn't take away from Lebron. You gonna comb through the record books to see which triple doubles were played at a high pace and don't count?

    Michael Jordan had a run of 7 straight triple doubles and 10 in 11 games. I'll bet you the pace of those games is about the same as these Finals. Funny that 30 fucking years went by and no one ever discounted that MJ stat but now all of the sudden pace matters so much.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    allpurpleallgold said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    Tequilla said:

    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks

    First ever player to average triple double in finals history. This is the best he's ever been.
    Highly disagree ... stats aren't everything
    Tequilla had a bit of a good point for once.

    In the high tempo era of the NBA, it's much easier to get a triple double because there are so many more possessions.

    Having said that, LeBron's chinevitable decline is probably 2-3 years away.

    With all due respect this is fucking stupid. It's always been easier to get a triple double in a high tempo game. Just because it took you this long to figure that out doesn't take away from Lebron. You gonna comb through the record books to see which triple doubles were played at a high pace and don't count?

    Michael Jordan had a run of 7 straight triple doubles and 10 in 11 games. I'll bet you the pace of those games is about the same as these Finals. Funny that 30 fucking years went by and no one ever discounted that MJ stat but now all of the sudden pace matters so much.
    Dude the 90s in general were much slower than today and MJ never played a team in the Finals that plays near as fast as GS does save for maybe the Lakers though IIRC they were slowing down by then.

    Can't speak for Boobs but I've been discounting Oscar's triple double season because of pace of play for years. Pace makes a huge difference in counting stats.
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,990 Founders Club
    I don't think the 4-1 series score reflected the passion on the floor. The Cavs aren't as far back as it seems and the Warriors aren't as far ahead.

    Lebron the GM doesn't need to panic. He needs to get better wing shooters who can perform on the big stage.

    It is sad as a fan that last night didn't make it 3-2 but there are no hypotheticals, Game 3 was what it was.

    It's a long wait for next June.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    RaceBannon said:

    I don't think the 4-1 series score reflected the passion on the floor. The Cavs aren't as far back as it seems and the Warriors aren't as far ahead.

    Lebron the GM doesn't need to panic. He needs to get better wing shooters who can perform on the big stage.

    It is sad as a fan that last night didn't make it 3-2 but there are no hypotheticals, Game 3 was what it was.

    It's a long wait for next June.

    Agree Cleveland doesn't need to panic. I think they will though. Love was probably gone DAO anyway but he sealed it by not showing up offensively last night.

    Cleveland's big issue isn't needing more shooters, it's needing more defenders. They can survive with Irving being the weak link defensively. They can't survive with James and Shumpert being the only defenders on the team. They need to add multiple 3 and D guys so they don't lose shooting while improving the defense. Not sure they can pull it off.

    Pemmy for your thoughts on All Star Tristan Thompson?
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,990 Founders Club
    Thompson is a foundation of the team. And an all star. What's your point?
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    RaceBannon said:

    Thompson is a foundation of the team. And an all star. What's your point?

    He was a no show for like four out of five games. Just checking to see if you still had his back.

    Nice to see you haven't moved.
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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    dnc said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    Tequilla said:

    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks

    First ever player to average triple double in finals history. This is the best he's ever been.
    Highly disagree ... stats aren't everything
    Tequilla had a bit of a good point for once.

    In the high tempo era of the NBA, it's much easier to get a triple double because there are so many more possessions.

    Having said that, LeBron's chinevitable decline is probably 2-3 years away.

    With all due respect this is fucking stupid. It's always been easier to get a triple double in a high tempo game. Just because it took you this long to figure that out doesn't take away from Lebron. You gonna comb through the record books to see which triple doubles were played at a high pace and don't count?

    Michael Jordan had a run of 7 straight triple doubles and 10 in 11 games. I'll bet you the pace of those games is about the same as these Finals. Funny that 30 fucking years went by and no one ever discounted that MJ stat but now all of the sudden pace matters so much.
    Dude the 90s in general were much slower than today and MJ never played a team in the Finals that plays near as fast as GS does save for maybe the Lakers though IIRC they were slowing down by then.

    Can't speak for Boobs but I've been discounting Oscar's triple double season because of pace of play for years. Pace makes a huge difference in counting stats.
    In the 1988-89 season, the year Jordan had those triple double numbers, the Chicago Bulls played at a pace of 97 possessions per 48 minutes. The Warriors played at 99 this season and the Cavs 96.

    Discounting Oscar's triple double is Bill Simmons fucking stupid. You literally can't average a triple double at a slow pace. We know this because no one has ever done it. Taking away from players like Westbrook and Oscar makes no sense because if it was so easy to average a triple double just because you play at a fast pace then they wouldn't be the only guys to ever do it.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    allpurpleallgold said:

    dnc said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Tequilla said:

    Doogles said:

    Tequilla said:

    I don't know ... I might be willing to bet the field here ...

    I really see similarities between the 87 and 88 seasons for Bird and where LBJ is right now ... both definitely great at their respective stages of their career but you could start seeing some cracks

    First ever player to average triple double in finals history. This is the best he's ever been.
    Highly disagree ... stats aren't everything
    Tequilla had a bit of a good point for once.

    In the high tempo era of the NBA, it's much easier to get a triple double because there are so many more possessions.

    Having said that, LeBron's chinevitable decline is probably 2-3 years away.

    With all due respect this is fucking stupid. It's always been easier to get a triple double in a high tempo game. Just because it took you this long to figure that out doesn't take away from Lebron. You gonna comb through the record books to see which triple doubles were played at a high pace and don't count?

    Michael Jordan had a run of 7 straight triple doubles and 10 in 11 games. I'll bet you the pace of those games is about the same as these Finals. Funny that 30 fucking years went by and no one ever discounted that MJ stat but now all of the sudden pace matters so much.
    Dude the 90s in general were much slower than today and MJ never played a team in the Finals that plays near as fast as GS does save for maybe the Lakers though IIRC they were slowing down by then.

    Can't speak for Boobs but I've been discounting Oscar's triple double season because of pace of play for years. Pace makes a huge difference in counting stats.
    In the 1988-89 season, the year Jordan had those triple double numbers, the Chicago Bulls played at a pace of 97 possessions per 48 minutes. The Warriors played at 99 this season and the Cavs 96.

    Discounting Oscar's triple double is Bill Simmons fucking stupid. You literally can't average a triple double at a slow pace. We know this because no one has ever done it. Taking away from players like Westbrook and Oscar makes no sense because if it was so easy to average a triple double just because you play at a fast pace then they wouldn't be the only guys to ever do it.
    Nice catch on the 80's MJ. Pre 90's/pre triangle they obviously played a lot faster than the MJ who was winning titles.

    I think Westbrook's triple double season is more impressive than Big O's since he had less possessions to do it. Doesn't mean O's isn't impressive, but I've heard people argue he's the GOAT because of it, and he's just not. That's what I meant by discounting it. It has to be put in context. It's still damned impressive, without question.
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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    I honestly don't even understand the need for context. To me it's like if guy had 30 rebounds and you said "yeah but the other team missed a lot of shots". Like no shit Sherlock.

    Doesn't Tequilla seem like the guy that used to argue Oscar was the GOAT? He doesn't now obviously because he read some analytics book or went to the Sloan Conference or whatever. But I'm like 99% sure at some point he wrote a 10,000 word essay on how the Big O was the Big Goat.
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    allpurpleallgold said:

    I honestly don't even understand the need for context. To me it's like if guy had 30 rebounds and you said "yeah but the other team missed a lot of shots". Like no shit Sherlock.

    Doesn't Tequilla seem like the guy that used to argue Oscar was the GOAT? He doesn't now obviously because he read some analytics book or went to the Sloan Conference or whatever. But I'm like 99% sure at some point he wrote a 10,000 word essay on how the Big O was the Big Goat.

    I don't recall that but that would make sense.

    I do know Tequilla hates hates hates analytics.
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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    dnc said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    I honestly don't even understand the need for context. To me it's like if guy had 30 rebounds and you said "yeah but the other team missed a lot of shots". Like no shit Sherlock.

    Doesn't Tequilla seem like the guy that used to argue Oscar was the GOAT? He doesn't now obviously because he read some analytics book or went to the Sloan Conference or whatever. But I'm like 99% sure at some point he wrote a 10,000 word essay on how the Big O was the Big Goat.

    I don't recall that but that would make sense.

    I do know Tequilla hates hates hates analytics.
    Of course he does. I should have know.
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  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    The Cavs aren't far behind the Warriors, but LeBron is getting older and Kyrie is kind of injury prone.

    They have to get rid of Kevin Love. LeBron is a PF.
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  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    RaceBannon said:

    I don't think the 4-1 series score reflected the passion on the floor. The Cavs aren't as far back as it seems and the Warriors aren't as far ahead.

    Lebron the GM doesn't need to panic. He needs to get better wing shooters who can perform on the big stage.

    It is sad as a fan that last night didn't make it 3-2 but there are no hypotheticals, Game 3 was what it was.

    It's a long wait for next June.

    Agree with you that the gap isn't insurmountable ...

    But the Cavs desperately need more role players that can effectively play on both ends of the court ... their lack of depth and defense lost them this series
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