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Happy Midway Day

BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,028
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75 years ago this afternoon, the most decisive 15 minutes in American military history

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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,209 Standard Supporter
    When men were men America was America and no need for safe spaces.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,635 Standard Supporter
    BearsWiin said:

    75 years ago this afternoon, the most decisive 15 minutes in American military history

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    Sneaky white guys > sneaky yellow guys.

    #codebreakers

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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,635 Standard Supporter
    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    MacArthur was a fuckwad.

    Zhukov was the best general in WW2.

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  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    PurpleThrobber said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    MacArthur was a fuckwad.

    Zhukov was the best general in WW2.

    LeMay burned up more yellow people than VD.
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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,209 Standard Supporter
    Mosster47 said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    MacArthur was a fuckwad.

    Zhukov was the best general in WW2.

    LeMay burned up more yellow people than VD.
    More than the atom bombs. We fought war to win and keep our losses to a minimum not the enemies.
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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,012 Founders Club
    edited June 2017
    PurpleThrobber said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    MacArthur was a fuckwad.

    Zhukov was the best general in WW2.

    Zhukov was a terrific general, but you can't judge a Soviet or German general by the same standards as an American (or British) one. The American people would have not been willing to stomach to casualties rates that Soviets were able to sustain on the Eastern Front. Same with the British. After the Somme in WWI they were going to let their boys get slaughtered on that scale again. Ike, Montgomery and Bradley had the luxury of being cautious and not wasting their soldiers lives unnecessarily. Rather, they could rely on overwhelming fire power, plenty of gas, and hordes of Russian divisions closing in from the East.

    MacArthur was vain, narcissistic, SOB, but a fuckwad he was not. Old Dugout Dug got a lot lower of a percentage his troops killed than did Nimitz with the Marines. I think between 1942 and the retaking of the Philippines, Mac lost few troops thank Ike did in one battle at the Bugle. Part of MacArthur's brilliance, was that just skipped over their bases like Rabaul in New Britian where the Japanese had 100,000 troops stationed; he just let them wither on the vine. His handling of the occupation of Japan was amongst the brilliant bit of political leadership ever by an American, civilian or military. All that said, Truman was right to fire him.

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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,012 Founders Club
    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    I think he (Nimitz) is easily held in as high of regard as both Patton and Mac if not more so. He certainly doesn't have the baggage that both of them do looking back from today.
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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,012 Founders Club
    It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our industrial capacity. Consider at Midway, they lost 4 carriers and we? 1. After Midway, the Japanese were able to put 4 new carriers to sea, with shitty pilots flying the planes. We launched 17 new carriers post Midway. And we did so with 80% of the war effort going to the European theater. If there had ever been a Pacific War just between the US and Japan, we could have won it under 2 years, even without the bomb.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,635 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    MacArthur was a fuckwad.

    Zhukov was the best general in WW2.

    Zhukov was a terrific general, but you can't judge a Soviet or German general by the same standards as an American (or British) one. The American people would have not been willing to stomach to casualties rates that Soviets were able to sustain on the Eastern Front. Same with the British. After the Somme in WWI they were going to let their boys get slaughtered on that scale again. Ike, Montgomery and Bradley had the luxury of being cautious and not wasting their soldiers lives unnecessarily. Rather, they could rely on overwhelming fire power, plenty of gas, and hordes of Russian divisions closing in from the East.

    MacArthur was vain, narcissistic, SOB, but a fuckwad he was not. Old Dugout Dug got a lot lower of a percentage his troops killed than did Nimitz with the Marines. I think between 1942 and the retaking of the Philippines, Mac lost few troops thank Ike did in one battle at the Bugle. Part of MacArthur's brilliance, was that just skipped over their bases like Rabaul in New Britian where the Japanese had 100,000 troops stationed; he just let them wither on the vine. His handling of the occupation of Japan was amongst the brilliant bit of political leadership ever by an American, civilian or military. All that said, Truman was right to fire him.

    One of my two dads was on his staff in Japan.

    I'm ok with the phrase "fuckwad".

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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,012 Founders Club
    edited June 2017
    PurpleThrobber said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    MacArthur was a fuckwad.

    Zhukov was the best general in WW2.

    Zhukov was a terrific general, but you can't judge a Soviet or German general by the same standards as an American (or British) one. The American people would have not been willing to stomach to casualties rates that Soviets were able to sustain on the Eastern Front. Same with the British. After the Somme in WWI they were going to let their boys get slaughtered on that scale again. Ike, Montgomery and Bradley had the luxury of being cautious and not wasting their soldiers lives unnecessarily. Rather, they could rely on overwhelming fire power, plenty of gas, and hordes of Russian divisions closing in from the East.

    MacArthur was vain, narcissistic, SOB, but a fuckwad he was not. Old Dugout Dug got a lot lower of a percentage his troops killed than did Nimitz with the Marines. I think between 1942 and the retaking of the Philippines, Mac lost few troops thank Ike did in one battle at the Bugle. Part of MacArthur's brilliance, was that just skipped over their bases like Rabaul in New Britian where the Japanese had 100,000 troops stationed; he just let them wither on the vine. His handling of the occupation of Japan was amongst the brilliant bit of political leadership ever by an American, civilian or military. All that said, Truman was right to fire him.

    One of my two dads was on his staff in Japan, therefore I am MacArthur Superiority Guy.

    I'm ok with the phrase "fuckwad".

    Fixed.

    Well why didn't you just say so then? Also you should be flagged for no "Recreation and Amusement Association" pics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreation_and_Amusement_Association
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  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    YellowSnow said:

    It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our industrial capacity. Consider at Midway, they lost 4 carriers and we? 1. After Midway, the Japanese were able to put 4 new carriers to sea, with shitty pilots flying the planes. We launched 17 new carriers post Midway. And we did so with 80% of the war effort going to the European theater. If there had ever been a Pacific War just between the US and Japan, we could have won it under 2 years, even without the bomb.

    Well no shit. We had way more people and endless resources. It would be like the US vs Florida.
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  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    Sledog said:

    Mosster47 said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    MacArthur was a fuckwad.

    Zhukov was the best general in WW2.

    LeMay burned up more yellow people than VD.
    More than the atom bombs. We fought war to win and keep our losses to a minimum not the enemies.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. We have lost under 10k in 16 years and we have absolutely slaughtered the enemy in that time.

    We don't win anymore because it's terrible for business. How many tank orders came in after VE and VJ days? Almost zero.

    If you don't have those parades and you bat the ball back and forth forever the tank, plane, and bomb orders never stop.
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  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,546 Founders Club
    Mosster47 said:

    Sledog said:

    Mosster47 said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Why Nimitz isn't held in the same regard as Patton and Mac is fucking retarded.

    MacArthur was a fuckwad.

    Zhukov was the best general in WW2.

    LeMay burned up more yellow people than VD.
    More than the atom bombs. We fought war to win and keep our losses to a minimum not the enemies.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. We have lost under 10k in 16 years and we have absolutely slaughtered the enemy in that time.

    We don't win anymore because it's terrible for business. How many tank orders came in after VE and VJ days? Almost zero.

    If you don't have those parades and you bat the ball back and forth forever the tank, plane, and bomb orders never stop.
    In his defense, we also had Japanese interment camps "just in case".

    That's the definition of playing to win. Who is to say those camps didn't prevent a second pearl harbor?

    I feel gross even typing that, but playing to win is gaining as much advantage as possible.
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  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,028
    YellowSnow said:

    It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our industrial capacity will.

    fixed
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  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,856
    edited June 2017
    YellowSnow said:

    It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our industrial capacity will. California rolls.



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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,012 Founders Club
    BearsWiin said:

    YellowSnow said:

    It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our industrial capacity will.

    fixed
    Yes, Japan underestimated our will to wage war. But will alone doesn't win wars now does it? They couldn't comprehend the wave of steel and aluminum that would be coming their way.
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  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,028
    YellowSnow said:

    BearsWiin said:

    YellowSnow said:

    It's mind boggling to consider how much the Japanese underestimated our industrial capacity will.

    fixed
    Yes, Japan underestimated our will to wage war. But will alone doesn't win wars now does it? They couldn't comprehend the wave of steel and aluminum that would be coming their way.
    Actually, Yamamoto was very clear about this. It was Goering who thought we were only good at making refrigerators and razor blades.
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