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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,732
    Already raced to tweet Oregon how great UW is!
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,941 Founders Club
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    That's a fucking dude.


    End of discussion.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    The more arguments I hear about this, the harder it is for me to believe that it isn't mental illness.

    It's either mental illness or some very fucked up genetics.

    EWIWBC
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter

    A Philosopher Gets Pilloried


    The academic left accuses her of ‘epistemic violence’ for asking scholarly questions about identity.

    Jillian Kay MelchiorMay 8, 2017 6:42 p.m. ET

    Usually, when junior professors publish scholarly articles, they are lucky to elicit more than a yawn. But last week the philosophical musings of Rebecca Tuvel, an assistant professor at Rhodes College in Memphis, Tenn., provoked a spasm of fury.

    Ms. Tuvel’s paper, published in the feminist philosophy journal Hypatia, takes on one of the weakest points of the left’s mania for identity politics. Ms. Tuvel asks why society is increasingly willing to embrace people who identify as “transgender,” even as it rejects those who identify as “transracial.” Why laud Caitlyn Jenner while vilifying Rachel Dolezal ?

    Ms. Tuvel weighs several arguments that seek to “justify transgenderism and delegitimize transracialism.” She concludes: “Considerations that support transgenderism seem to apply equally to transracialism,” and therefore society “should also accept transracial individuals’ decisions to change races.”

    Where to draw the line on self-identification is an obvious question, and a fundamental one, Ms. Tuvel suggests in her paper. Think transracialism is tricky? It only gets more complicated from there. Her paper briefly considers other exotic forms of self-identification. How do progressives reckon with people who say they’re really “otherkins,” identifying as nonhuman animals? Are we morally required to accept “transabled” people, who are born physically normal but feel one of their limbs transgresses on their identity?

    As with gender, Ms. Tuvel writes, “we need an account of race that does not collapse into a position according to which all forms of self-identification are socially recognized, such as one’s self-identification as a wolf.”

    Instead of taking on Ms. Tuvel’s arguments, the professoriate attacked her for asking questions to begin with. More than 500 academics signed a letter denouncing the paper. One of their main complaints was that Ms. Tuvel didn’t lace it with references to scholars “who are most vulnerable to the intersection of racial and gender oppressions (women of color).” Absent such citations, they said, her paper “painfully reflects a lack of engagement beyond white and cisgender privilege.”

    When academics would rather anathematize a critic than argue back, it’s a sure sign that they’ve departed from the realm of philosophy and rational discourse. “Calls for intellectual engagement are also being shut down because they ‘dignify’ the article,” Ms. Tuvel said in a written statement about the saga. “If this is considered beyond the pale as a response to a controversial piece of writing, then critical thought is in danger.”

    Some of Ms. Tuvel’s foes are employing the fashionable trope that criticism is a form of violence. On Twitter , a student at the University of California, San Francisco accused Ms. Tuvel of “epistemic violence.” The hundreds of academics who signed the petition asserted it was “dangerous” for Hypatia to leave the article up, given that “its continued availability causes further harm.”

    Within days Hypatia predictably buckled, posting an obsequious 1,000-word mea culpa on Facebook . Its editors promised to revamp their procedures: “A better review process would have both anticipated the criticisms that quickly followed the publication, and required that revisions be made to improve the argument in light of those criticisms.” The journal also pledged to give more editorial attention and advisory oversight to trans feminists and people of color. Both changes seem likely to result in the censorship of ideas or arguments deemed taboo or offensive.

    This liberal pile-on has rattled Ms. Tuvel, who burst into tears before declining my request for an interview. She fears, legitimately, that she’ll be blacklisted in academia.

    But it’s her opponents on the progressive left that this saga should really frighten. Their reaction suggests their ideas can’t withstand even the most basic critical scrutiny. Such fragile principles aren’t persuasive or enduring.

    Ms. Melchior is Heat Street’s political editor.

    Appeared in the May. 09, 2017, print edition.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,941 Founders Club
    edited May 2017

    The more arguments I hear about this, the harder it is for me to believe that it isn't mental illness.

    It's either mental illness or some very fucked up genetics.

    EWIWBC

    Either Way I Want Black Cock

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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    pawz said:

    The more arguments I hear about this, the harder it is for me to believe that it isn't mental illness.

    It's either mental illness or some very fucked up genetics.

    EWIWBC

    Either Way I Want Black Cock

    (NTTIAWWT)



    YVBE
    Well played.
  • AlexisAlexis Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,142 Swaye's Wigwam
    Considering auto insurance costs more for males than females, I'm gonna have to go ahead and get my sons to change their sex on their license. Genius.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter

    The more arguments I hear about this, the harder it is for me to believe that it isn't mental illness.

    It's a mental illness alright. You either swing the lumber or you got hit with the axe. Pretty easy to tell the difference! Although Sven has difficulty.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    RedRocket said:

    The more arguments I hear about this, the harder it is for me to believe that it isn't mental illness.

    Watch Dear Non-trans People. It will make you reevaluate all your preconceived notions on what it means to be trans. Here's the mind blowing part, non-trans can adversely impact trans (pre and post op) without being overtly anti-trans. Non-trans privilege is real.
    Post more.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,732

    The more arguments I hear about this, the harder it is for me to believe that it isn't mental illness.

    It's either mental illness or some very fucked up genetics.

    EWIWBC
    OR?????
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,850 Founders Club
    My bathroom ruse didn't work this morning. The guy behind the counter started yelling at me.

    I said there is no gender anymore and who cares if I use the open bathroom?

    He goes...you have a dick. I said I identify as a woman.

    Mexicans are socially conservative I guess. I pulled out my phone to wait and he gets nervous.

    I said you know you're wrong. Men's room opened up. Story over
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    I think some people truly are/were a Man born in a Womens body and vice versa. But I also believe that most identify, to either get attention or to become part of a group that will accept them.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,257 Founders Club
    Not touchdowns. Goals. Let's be PNW proud!
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950

    The more arguments I hear about this, the harder it is for me to believe that it isn't mental illness.

    It's either mental illness or some very fucked up genetics.

    EWIWBC
    I finally figured out what tierbs hsot boobs are.

    Sloppy tits on a man.
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