Big Win for the Celtics

RavennaDawg

LeBron should be the MVP, but sometimes you have to give it to Terry Pendleton.

LeBron is going to finish his career with the highest ratio of titles/supporting talent ever. No one close.

Chamberlain couldn't get a ring early in his career despite individual dominance. Put him with Hal Greer and Billy Cunningham and Chet Walker, and you have the NBA's Greatest Team of the first 50 years.

Where is Bird if the Celtics don't steal Parrish and McHale from the Warriors?

Where is Jordan without Bob Whitsitt and Phil Jackson? Scoring 63 in a losing playoff game.

Kareem and Nixon and McAdoo and Wilkes and Worthy and Scott and Thompson.

Dr J and Moses are two of the greatest ever. Couldn't get it done alone. Put them together and for one magical season you have the greatest team in history.

This notion of great teams being "collections of superstars" isn't new. LeBron didn't chase a ring in Miami any more than GM's players have been chasing rings in the past.

RaceBannon

The Swede is right

If you are Magic and you get drafted by the Lakers who hoodwinked that pick an you join Kareem and your team then hoodwinks more draft picks for guys like Worthy you don't need to seek a super team, you were drafted by one.

Bird played for Aurbach, the greatest GM in the first 50 years who was first smart enough to tie up Larry. He stole Parish for Joe Barely Caring and add hall of fame guys like Dennis Johnson.

When those two started bitching about Lebron I was like - shut the fuck up

FreeChavez

I tried to watch 5 minutes of the thunder game last night and it was gross. They go essentially 4 flat the entire time and let westbrooke run around with the ball until he either A decides to shoot or B passes at the end of the shot clock for everyone to heave something up. There is no cohesion or flow to the game. He literally is playing the game for himself and the team just there for window dressing.

I will say that I see a maturity in harden this year even if i do dislike watching him. He stll has the team involved for many of the positions.

Bron just kills everyone. He knows playoffs matters. He knows his ego can handle Kyrie taking a big shot, or wade, or whomever providing he has a ring. He's the MVP.

PurpleThrobber

tenndawg said:

How many games do The Cavs win without LeBron ?

Remember that block at the end of Game 7 in the finals last year ? Usain Bolt is the only other being on the planet that maybe makes that play...

Even though I'm Miami born, I lost respect for Bron Bron when he went there to win titles...I'm not a fanboy, was down on him for much of his career

But winning in Cleveland - pretty impressive...and his current level of play is off the charts - including defense

He hasn't been the greatest scorer at the end of big games which is the only nip /chink in his armor

If you are an NBA GM and you get one player to put on your team this year and next year, is there even any consideration at all other than LeBron ?

MVP isn't even close

Reluctantly agree - can't hate on his results. Lebron is clearly the most valuable player - otherwise, the Cavs are the Timberwolves.

But if you want to argue about who would have the next-greatest-impact on his squad with their absence, John Wall needs to be in the discussion. Kahwi is right there, too. If either of those two guys aren't there, their teams aren't making the playoffs. And if they were put on any other squad, that team would immediately improve dramatically.

Westbrook is immensely talented - but is he really making those around him better or does he just have the ball in his hands every possession and the others are limited in what they can achieve?

I just can't make the leap to annointing Westbrook as MVP.