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Joseph Ngata, 5* 2019 WR, Folsom, CA (WE FUCKED THE POOCH)

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  • BlastDoor
    BlastDoor Member Posts: 711
    StrongArmCobra said:

    Tequilla said:

    Dear Fucking Allah you are fucking stupid

    1) Yes, JAGs played last year. I get that. Do you not understand that if we were playing JAGs and the "talented" players that we recruited couldn't pass said JAGs on the depth chart that they are therefore JAGs themselves until they PROVE that they are NOT JAGs? Is it really that fucking hard to understand? I feel like @Dennis_DeYoung right now wanting to get in my car and crash it into a brick wall at how difficult it is for you to apply real basic logic to ANYTHING.

    2) Let's hypothetically say I take everything you say at face value, if that's the case, then I'll bitch at the fact that our playbook is so complicated that we can't get freshman on the field. Is that true for all other programs? Don't think so. I'd go as far as saying what you are arguing is an even bigger problem than missing on Ngata.

    3) I'm optimistic that guys like Jones, Osborne, and Spiker will be Top 3 round picks at WR when they go to the NFL. The difference is that Ngata has the chance to be a Top 5 guy. He's a Julio Jones, Amari Cooper, etc. type of WR. Those guys don't grow on trees. None of the guys we have are like that. Did you not pay attention to how Clemson beat Alabama to win the National Title? A good chunk of that is having receivers that won 50/50 balls. The more you can throw talent on the field the more likely you can find a mismatch. If you find the mismatch then you have a chance to be successful. Go back to when we played Alabama, we couldn't create mismatches. John Ross couldn't just go run by Alabama's DBs. That shit didn't work because guess what, they have fast guys as well, are well coached, etc.

    4) You're right, I'm not at every practice. But I attend a good number of the ones that are open. By that regard, I'm as well versed in what I'm seeing as anybody else not tied into the program (and by the way, most that are tied into the program aren't going to give you the truth about what they are seeing anyway because it's going to be scrubbed with what Pete wants communicated). It's not about whether our young WRs look better against OTHER secondaries because that's not the point. The point is that we have an elite DB core. If we're competing at the national level, we're competing against comparable DB groups. So if you're struggling against our DBs, there's a good chance that you're going to be struggling against other elite DB groups. My comments aren't about whether or not we're competitive enough to beat Oregon State. It's are we beating USC. Are we beating Stanford. Are we beating an elite SEC school like Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, etc.. It's beating Clemson. It's beating Ohio State. Is it THAT hard to understand that?

    5) Recruiting for elite players is starting earlier and earlier. QB recruiting at the elite levels usually ends with verbals during the summer of their junior seasons. Top players are getting recruited hard as freshman. We can be oblivious to that fact or update our approach to be consistent with reality. The longer we wait to recruit kids the more we're giving our competition the opportunity to get a leg up.

    6) I'm all for recruiting linemen ... that's great. We'll load up this year and then basically pass next year? That doesn't necessarily work out that well in the long-term because you have unbalanced positional groupings. I'm all for getting the best class that we can get. If you don't understand the concept of trying to ensure that you're getting good class balance then you don't get roster construction at all. No doubt you have to be a bit flexible as strengths/weaknesses and available opportunities change each year. But recruiting an unbalanced number in any position just kicks the can down the road a bit and you will have to deal with what results from that in the future.

    1. No they're not fucking JAGs until proven otherwise. Is Henry Bainivalu a JAG because he redshirted? No. So how the fuck are Jones, Bynum, and Cook JAGs for not beating out the veteran WR's as true Freshman. That's not how it fucking works. In college football experience is everything. The coaches will play a lesser talented guy because he's more experienced and they can at least trust him to know his fucking assignment. Jones came early in the Spring and still didn't know the full playbook throughout the season. Cook and Bynum redshirted, not because they're JAGs but because they didn't come early in the Spring and didn't have enough time to even kind of learn the playbook and what is expected from them. It's a fucking process. We don't have some simple offense in which true Freshman are in a fair competition with the veteran guys because they equally understand their job on every play.

    2. Not running some bullshit high school offense that allows us to play the more talented true Freshman WRs right away is why John Ross and Dante Pettis were drafted in the top two rounds. Oregon hasn't put WR's in the league because their offense has been too simple to develop them properly and get them prepared for the NFL. Getting WR's to the league and drafted high is what gets the WR talent to lineup hoping to have a spot with UW.

    3. We don't need Joe Ngata to win a national championship period. A WR depth chart loaded with guys like Osborne, Jones, Spiker, and Davis is good enough from a talent perspective. Sure they have to prove it in the years to come but the talent is there. You are way to obsessed with Ngata. Yes, it's a loss but it's not fucking catastrophic. Most of these teams winning a national championship don't have a Julio Jones caliber WR on their roster. Name Alabama's top WR last season. You can't. The trenches are more important.

    4. Yeah no shit. Our WR corps is not currently good enough to perform well against elite teams. Like I already said. We have to WAIT for the more talented WR's to DEVELOP. It's a process and it requires patience. Nobody is coming to UW and lighting it up at WR as a true Freshman. Get over it. The JAG WR's need to graduate. WR recruiting is on the level it needs to be.

    5. It's not starting earlier and earlier. This is about as early as it's gonna get. The benefit of being a winning program is you can wait to evaluate which recruits are actually the elite ones and not the fake hype ones. What if we had taken Criddell's commitment super early and now we'd be stuck with a slow safety with no ball production. What if we offered and took Justus Legg when he was rated a 4* and realized he lazy and fat. At what fucking point do you clean the sand out of your vagina and stop worrying about what fucking Oregon is doing. UW is not going to just throw out offers to Freshman unless they're obviously elite. Get over it. Nobody is getting a leg up on us. These kids know they will get better offers than Oregon down the line and will wait for that to happen or will be easily flipped down the line.

    6. No, we load up this year with 4 or 5 offensive lineman and take 3 next class. We take 4 or 5 D-lineman because in 2020 they're are next to no quality D-lineman available out West.
    1) Jack “Cobra” Browning. He is the best player on the field, enough said on that. He has 4 years of high school and 3 of college under his belt and will do whatever he can to win the game.

    2) Offensive Line. We average a weight of 332 across the line, and they are ready to dominate the line of scrimmage. MacGeary, Tray Adams, Center, Ossai, Hatchie. These boys have an attitude and are ready to rumble!!!

    3) Lake!!!. A new defensive scheme and a new attitude. Everyone is speaking out about the difference between our 2017 and 2018 defense now that Lake has taken over - every thing's been great since then. you will see a much improved defense on 9/1.

    4) Speed, speed, speed. this is the fastest team washington has had this century, maybe since 1991! Saladin Ahmed, Charlie McClutchins, Andrea Bocelli, Byron Murphy, Jordan Miller, Louis Rankin. The newbies will be inexperienced but we bring a new dimension that the program has not had in years, speed.

    5) time of possession. I think we can win the time of possession battle in this one. the more we can control the ball and keep our defense off the field, the greater chance we’ll have to win.

    6) Fuck you.

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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    whuggy said:

    Gotta say Strong Arm is giving as good as he is getting here. I'm gonna have to rate this a draw and look forward to the rematch.

    If I hadn't already killed myself when Ngata announced this would do the job.
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  • Squirt
    Squirt Member Posts: 485
    backthepack said:

    He'll commit soon

    backthepack said:

    Lol dont worry

    bump

    If we can't trust @backthepack or @SpiritHorse, who can we trust?
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,549 Founders Club
    Embarrassing. He gone. Deal with it.
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  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    DawgsAllDay36 said:

    Ehhh losing Ngata is a big deal. “Moving on” is some dumb doog shit. We just missed out on our best WR prospect in a decade. You fucking shitting me balls?

    1. You can't lose what you never had. ;)
    2. We've been through this before. No one player makes or breaks a class or the future of this program. Not Fozzy, not Marlon, and not Joe Ngata.
    3. Yes, it fucking sucks and I'm just as pissed as anybody about whiffing on Ngata but when you're recruiting at a high level (which we are) the silver lining is that scholarship will likely go to a line of scrimmage player who will be a beast for us. This won't be a scenario in which that scholarship goes to some JAG plan D guy closer to Signing Day. Those days are over. So keep your chin up people. Fall camp is almost here. We have a good team. If we don't come out like a bunch of shrivel dicks, we have a chance to beat Auburn because I believe Bush will dial up an efficient offense. We are going to ride another wave of Poly momentum to finish this class with a bang just like last class.
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    StrongArmCobra said:

    DawgsAllDay36 said:

    Ehhh losing Ngata is a big deal. “Moving on” is some dumb doog shit. We just missed out on our best WR prospect in a decade. You fucking shitting me balls?

    1. You can't lose what you never had. ;)
    2. We've been through this before. No one player makes or breaks a class or the future of this program. Not Fozzy, not Marlon, and not Joe Ngata.
    3. Yes, it fucking sucks and I'm just as pissed as anybody about whiffing on Ngata.

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