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Joseph Ngata, 5* 2019 WR, Folsom, CA (WE FUCKED THE POOCH)

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    StrongArmCobra said:

    Holy shit. Have y'all seen those Clemson vlog videos. I'm a die hard Husky but damn they make being a Tiger look fun and exciting. It's not retarded ass clown shit like Oregon is doing either. It's just a real, genuine look inside what it's like to be a Clemson Tiger and their whole program from players, to coaches, to administrators have completely bought into it. Great marketing on their part. We used to at least have "The Pursuit" during the season but fuck us we don't even have that shit anymore. All we get is a couple of ridiculously choppy and short videos of the team working out and shit. We have a very tight knit team who have a lot of fun with each other and a great experience while at UW (so much so that NFL bound guys are sad to leave) but unfortunately the recruits don't get to see that. It's not that hard. At least bring back the fucking Pursuit.

    Talking about "The Pursuit" is the best value you've ever made to this shithole
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  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,576
    Another thread bites the dust
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  • tvoie
    tvoie Member Posts: 996
    Burn it down. Fuck!
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Tequilla said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    @Tequilla Care to elaborate fucktard? Taking more Aaron Fullers in Pittman and Delgado is not what we need right now. Guys like that are a dime a dozen. Alabama, USC, and Penn State all beat us on the line of scrimmage. Hell, even ASU's D-line beat our O-line. We need to load up on fucking LINEMAN. You wanna cry about losing Ngata that's fine. But the coaches are doing the right thing by focusing on the trenches more this class.

    BLOWN THE FUCK OUT. Yes, time will LIKELY be our friend. But we have to PROVE it versus TALK about it. And when you compare UW vs Clemson or Alabama right now, WE DON'T WIN when it comes to PROVING IT. Again, that's what you, and many people don't understand. As @Dennis_DeYoung says all the time, recruiting is sales. Even with kids that we have a tremendous advantage for we still have to sell that vision. WE FAILED. MASSIVELY.

    Go back to 2016 … there's a reason why DDY, @CokeGreaterThanPepsi, and I were so adamant about Strausser being a giant fucktard that needed to be replaced. There's a reason we were so vocal about WHY Nick Harris starting as a true freshman was such a bad thing. Few understood that it had NOTHING to do with Nick Harris himself and EVERYTHING to do with what shit recruiting leading up to that point resulted in. Go back and watch the game against Alabama. At that level, if they can find A WEAKNESS, that single weakness can get exploited over and over and over again. It's not that you have to be better than everybody else at everything to win because that's really not realistic. But what you can't be is weak. Consider this …

    UW is playing in the 2021 National Title Game … all of the guys from the 2017 class are essentially gone and only 1 of Osborne/Spiker remains. We whiffed on the 2019 class and pulled an average class for 2020. We do however have an elite OL, an elite running game, and an elite QB. We're playing Alabama or Georgia who has an elite secondary though and can shut down our WRs 1 on 1 with limited safety help. That then means that we're looking at running against 8 in the box. Needless to say, that becomes tough sledding. Now, compare that with someone on the outside like Ngata that is absolutely ELITE. That by default is going to force extra attention. Opponents may not be as inclined to leave the other side on an island at that point so you get more 7 in the box versus 8. Then the run game actually has a chance to be at least a solid option. That leaves the offense dictating the terms instead of the defense. Which situation would you rather be in? That's WHY guys like Ngata matter. It's the difference of losing in the CFP Semi's and getting to the Title Game. It's a potential mismatch in the Title Game that dictates terms and situations to the opposition. If you, or others, can't understand this, then you're wildly missing the mark.
    TL but I agree
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  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    Tequilla said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    @Tequilla Care to elaborate fucktard? Taking more Aaron Fullers in Pittman and Delgado is not what we need right now. Guys like that are a dime a dozen. Alabama, USC, and Penn State all beat us on the line of scrimmage. Hell, even ASU's D-line beat our O-line. We need to load up on fucking LINEMAN. You wanna cry about losing Ngata that's fine. But the coaches are doing the right thing by focusing on the trenches more this class.

    BLOWN THE FUCK OUT. Yes, time will LIKELY be our friend. But we have to PROVE it versus TALK about it. And when you compare UW vs Clemson or Alabama right now, WE DON'T WIN when it comes to PROVING IT. Again, that's what you, and many people don't understand. As @Dennis_DeYoung says all the time, recruiting is sales. Even with kids that we have a tremendous advantage for we still have to sell that vision. WE FAILED. MASSIVELY.

    Go back to 2016 … there's a reason why DDY, @CokeGreaterThanPepsi, and I were so adamant about Strausser being a giant fucktard that needed to be replaced. There's a reason we were so vocal about WHY Nick Harris starting as a true freshman was such a bad thing. Few understood that it had NOTHING to do with Nick Harris himself and EVERYTHING to do with what shit recruiting leading up to that point resulted in. Go back and watch the game against Alabama. At that level, if they can find A WEAKNESS, that single weakness can get exploited over and over and over again. It's not that you have to be better than everybody else at everything to win because that's really not realistic. But what you can't be is weak. Consider this …

    UW is playing in the 2021 National Title Game … all of the guys from the 2017 class are essentially gone and only 1 of Osborne/Spiker remains. We whiffed on the 2019 class and pulled an average class for 2020. We do however have an elite OL, an elite running game, and an elite QB. We're playing Alabama or Georgia who has an elite secondary though and can shut down our WRs 1 on 1 with limited safety help. That then means that we're looking at running against 8 in the box. Needless to say, that becomes tough sledding. Now, compare that with someone on the outside like Ngata that is absolutely ELITE. That by default is going to force extra attention. Opponents may not be as inclined to leave the other side on an island at that point so you get more 7 in the box versus 8. Then the run game actually has a chance to be at least a solid option. That leaves the offense dictating the terms instead of the defense. Which situation would you rather be in? That's WHY guys like Ngata matter. It's the difference of losing in the CFP Semi's and getting to the Title Game. It's a potential mismatch in the Title Game that dictates terms and situations to the opposition. If you, or others, can't understand this, then you're wildly missing the mark.
    Holy fucking shit you idiot. When did I say Ngata doesn't fucking matter? Of course he matters but we're not fucking whiffing on 2019 WR recruiting! WE ARE LOSING ZERO WR's. What part of that don't you understand? We have Taj Davis. We don't NEED any more WR's this class. Spiker, Osborne, Cook, Bynum, Jones, Lowe, and Davis. We are set at WR. Those guys are the future. We will not have a hole at WR in 2020 or 2021 or any year after that. The hole is right now and once the young talent gets experience and become the starters there won't be a hole. We can take just Davis this class and then three 4* WR's next class and be good. Holes are created when you have multiple years in a row of poor recruiting at a position. That's not going to happen just because we missed out on one fucking guy no matter how talented he is. Last time I checked WR's are fucking useless if your QB is constantly running for his life (Hi USC). This is a class for lineman. Buleow, Vimahi, Fautanu. I want every single one of them and we can't fucking do that if we take more WR's. Comprender holmes?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    Taj Davis isn't Joseph Ngata … so let's get that straight.

    Tell me what these individuals have proven at the CFP level:

    Ty Jones = marginal at best impact as a true freshman

    Terrell Bynum = Redshirted and have yet to see anything that suggests to me that he's anything I should be betting on

    Alex Cook = see Bynum

    Austin Osborne = I can see something in him but on a really good team I'm seeing him as a 2WR or 3WR ... guys like Ngata are #1s

    Marquis Spiker = probably somewhere closer to Osborne than Bynum and Cook

    Lowe = IF a WR he'll be at the Chico role ... more likely given that we've sucked at RB recruiting I could see us moving him there

    The PROBLEM that you fail to understand is that for your premise to be successful for 2020 REQUIRES us to land 3 4* WRs (or better) next year. When you have one bad year, it creates a ton of pressure the next year. You are right that when you suck for multiple years it's a massive problem (that's the Strausser/Pease level).

    What you fail to comprehend is that when you get a guy like Ngata you instantly make EVERYBODY ELSE BETTER because you slot people correctly. That stuff really matters.

    Let's look at 2020 WR recruiting right now and guys that are seemingly our top targets/options:

    Johnny Wilson: Per 24/7 he's the #2 WR in the nation and a Top 15 guy. He's from SoCal. His Crystal Ball predictions are USC and UCLA. Everybody not named USC and UCLA is viewed as having COOL interest. Think he's leaving LA for school? Probably not.

    Demond Demas: Per 24/7 he's the #3 WR in the nation and a Top 20 guy. He's also from Houston. His listed WARM schools are Alabama, Texas, and Texas A&M. You think he's even going to visit UW? Probably not. Next.

    Gee Scott Jr: Per 24/7 he's the top local WR (Top 100 recruit and the 12th WR in the nation) on our board right now yet we haven't offered. He's been offered by EVERYBODY else that is recruiting him. At this point, his INTEREST LEVEL is noted as being COOL

    Jalen McMillan: The 19th best WR in the country per 24/7 and he's from Fresno. The good news is that we've offered him (so that's good). More good news is that he doesn't seem to have any favorites right now. Bad news is the rest of the conference (save for UCLA) has offered him. So 4 WRs in we've finally found somebody that I'd give us at least a puncher's chance for.

    Chad Johnson: Roughly a Top 200 guy and the 32nd best WR in the country from 24/7. Doesn't have an offer for us. Only apparent offers that he has are from ASU, Oregon St, and Florida Atlantic. Doesn't seem normal for a guy like this to not have better offers at this point.

    Matt Sykes: Hawaiian kid that's rated similar to Chad Johnson. His only offers are from Hawaii and Fresno. There's already a Crystal Ball for him to Stanford and they haven't offered. In other words, I'm going to assume that IF he gets into Stanford academically, he's going to Stanford.

    Do you want me to keep going? Are you sensing a theme yet? EVERY SINGLE 2020 WR RECRUIT RIGHT NOW AT BEST HAS AN OFFER FROM UW AND HAS A LEVEL OF INTEREST DESCRIBED AS COOL.

    So yes, to say that I'm not yet optimistic about 2020 WR recruiting would be very fair. And on top of that, we're probably looking at trading out our WR coach in early 2019 because 1) player development hasn't been great (sound like Pease?), 2) we got blown the fuck out of the water for Ngata, and 3) we're not even moving the fucking needle on 2020 WR recruiting right now.

    But you're right, I'm a fucking idiot.
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