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Big if true:
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's center-right VVD Party remained the biggest in parliament after an election on Wednesday with 31 of the 150 seats, the first exit poll said, roundly beating the anti-Islam Geert Wilders.

Wilders' Party for Freedom was tied in second place with two other parties at 19 seats apiece, according to the poll by national broadcaster NOS based on interviews with voters.

The turnout is forecast at 81 percent against 74.6 percent in the last election in 2012, according to NOS.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-election-open-idUSKBN16M0MB
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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    1. Election poleing should always be taken with a grain of salt.

    2. The coward did gain some seats.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    1. Election poleing should always be taken with a grain of salt.

    2. The coward did gain some seats.

    Concur. Sam did eat that bug, after all.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Setback for male hair gel revival
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    NOC


    But since the 2 of you do, the melt down will be special when LePen wins France.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    salemcoog said:

    NOC


    But since the 2 of you do, the melt down will be special when LePen wins France.

    France is fucked either way.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,860 Founders Club
    Read behind the headlines. The Green party gained seats. The same both sides of the coin revolt against the status quo. If Americans stopped nominating retards to Green and Lib parties or didn't fuck over Bernie maybe something similar would happen here.

    Gert shouldn't get any votes. Europe has been very much on guard since they saw out of control nationalism up close in WW2.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Wilders may have arrived to the party a few years early. Him or others like him will eventually wrest control from the left wing European lunatics when more terrorist attacks, possibly bigger ones than we've seen yet, are carried out on European soil. The problem of Islam is not going away, it will be confronted, apparently later down the road in the Netherlands, and it will be more difficult to deal with it then than to deal with it now.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    It's a nice minor victory. but it will mean nothing if le pen isn't defeated
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    dhdawg said:

    It's a nice minor victory. but it will mean nothing if le pen isn't defeated

    Why don't you outline your problem with Le Pen.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    dhdawg said:

    It's a nice minor victory. but it will mean nothing if le pen isn't defeated

    Why don't you outline your problem with Le Pen.
    Here's the short version:

    Marine Le Pen

    Childhood[edit]
    Marion Anne Perrine Le Pen was born on 5 August 1968[21] in Neuilly-sur-Seine. She is the youngest of the three daughters of Jean-Marie Le Pen, a Breton politician and a former paratrooper, with his first wife Pierrette Lalanne. She was baptized 25 April 1969, at La Madeleine by Father Pohpot. Her godfather was Henri Botey, a relative of her father.

    She has two sisters: Yann and Marie Caroline. In 1976, Marine survived a bomb attack on the family as they slept in their beds.[22] She was eight when a bomb meant for her father exploded in the stairwell outside the family's apartment. The blast ripped a hole into the outside wall of the building. Marine, her two older sisters and their parents were unharmed.[23]

    She was a student at the lycée Florent Schmitt at Saint-Cloud. Her parents divorced in 1987.[24][25]

    Legal studies and work[edit]
    Question book-new.svg
    This section relies largely or entirely upon a single source. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help improve this article by introducing citations to additional sources. (February 2017)
    Le Pen studied law at Panthéon-Assas University, graduating with a Master of Laws in 1991 and a Master of Advanced Studies (DEA) in criminal law in 1992.[26] Registered at the Paris bar association, she worked as a lawyer for six years (1992–1998).[26] In France, when a defendant cannot afford a lawyer, one is chosen to represent him or her. She often fulfilled this role.

    In 1992, she received the certificate as a lawyer (CAPA) and became a lawyer practising in Paris. She then argued regularly before the criminal chamber of the 23rd District Court of Paris which judges immediate appearances. She was a member of the Bar of Paris until 1998, when she joined the legal department of the National Front.

    Private life[edit]
    Le Pen was raised Roman Catholic.[27] She was married in 1995 to Franck Chauffroy, a business executive who worked for the National Front. By Chauffroy, she has three children (Jehanne, Louis, and Mathilde).[24] After her divorce from Chauffroy in 2000, she married Eric Lorio in 2002, the former national secretary of the National Front and a former adviser to the Regional election in Nord-Pas de Calais, whom she also divorced in 2006.

    Since 2009, she has been in a relationship with Louis Aliot, whose grandfather was Algerian Jewish. Aliot was the National Front General Secretary from 2005 to 2010, then the National Front vice president who was in charge of the Project.[28] She spends most of her time in Saint-Cloud, and has resided in La Celle-Saint-Cloud with her three children since September 2014. She has an apartment in Hénin-Beaumont. In 2010, she also bought a house with Aliot in Millas.[29]

    Early political career[edit]
    First steps and rise within the FN : 1986–2010[edit]
    In 1986, at the age of 18, Marine Le Pen joined the FN. In 2000, she became president of Generations Le Pen, a loose association close to the party aimed at "de-demonizing the Front National".[24] In 1998, she joined the FN's juridical branch, which she led until 2003.

    In 2000, she joined the FN Executive Committee (bureau politique). In 2003, she became vice-president of the FN.[24] In 2006, Jean-Marie Le Pen entrusted her with the management of his 2007 presidential campaign. In 2007, she became one of the two executive vice-presidents of the FN and was in charge of training, communication and publicity.[26]

    In 1998, she acquired her first political mandate when she was elected regional councillor in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais. From 2002, she began to establish her parliamentary base in the former coal mining area of the Pas-de-Calais.[24]

    Her aim is to expand the political influence of the FN and transform it into a "big popular party that addresses itself not only to the electorate on the right but to all the French people".[3] She has frequently stated that she rules out any political alliance with the Union for a Popular Movement.[30][31]

    She has at numerous times distanced herself from some of Jean-Marie Le Pen's controversial statements,[32] notably those relating to war-crimes, which the media point to her attempts to improve the party's image. While her father has provoked a long-time controversy by saying that the gas chambers were "a detail of the history of World War II", she said it has been "the height of barbarism".[33][34]

    Internal campaign for the FN leadership : 2010–11[edit]
    Her candidacy was endorsed by an overwhelming majority of senior executives[35] and notably by Jean-Marie Le Pen, founder of the FN.[36][37]

    She spent four months campaigning for the FN leadership, holding meetings with FN members in 51 departments to explain in detail her political views and projects for the party.[38] All the other departments were visited by one of her official supporters.[35]

    On 3 September 2010, she launched her internal campaign at Cuers, Var.[39] During a meeting in Paris on 14 November 2010, she claimed: "My project is not to assemble our political family, or rather is not only to assemble our political family. It consists of shaping the Front National as the center of grouping of the whole French people". She also explained why the FN leadership and the candidature for the presidential election must not be dissociated: thus the next FN leader will run in the 2012 presidential election.[40] During her final meeting at Hénin-Beaumont on 19 December 2010, she claimed that the FN presents the real debates of the next presidential campaign.[41][42] Most of her campaign tours throughout France were reported in local newspapers and regional television programmes.

    In December 2010 and early January 2011, FN members voted by post to elect their new president and the hundred members of the Central Committee. The party held its congress at Tours for two days (15–16 January 2011).[43] On 16 January 2011, Marine Le Pen was officially elected with 67.65% (11,546 votes) as the new president of the Front National[26][44] and Jean-Marie Le Pen became de facto its honorary chairman. Her challenger Bruno Gollnisch polled 32.35% (5,522 votes).

    Controversy[edit]
    Marine Le Pen stirred up controversy during the internal campaign. During a speech to the party faithful in Lyon on 10 December 2010, she said that the weekly illegal blocking of public streets and squares in multiple French cities (notably the rue Myrha in the 18th arrondissement of Paris) for Muslim prayers was comparable with an occupation of parts of French territory. Specifically, Le Pen said:

    For those who want to talk a lot about World War II, if it's about occupation, then we could also talk about it (Muslim prayers in the streets), because that is occupation of territory. ...It is an occupation of sections of the territory, of districts in which religious laws apply. ... There are of course no tanks, there are no soldiers, but it is nevertheless an occupation and it weighs heavily on local residents.[45]

    The mention of World War II brought claims from the media and politicians that she had drawn an irresponsible parallel with the Nazi occupation of France (May 1940 – December 1944).[46] Nearly the entire political and media class strongly criticised her statement, which was widely commented on by different political analysts.[47][48][49][50][51][52] Whereas the CRIF,[53] the French Council of Muslim Faith (CFCM)[54] and the LICRA[55] denounced her statement, other groups like the MRAP[56] and the LDH[57] declared their intention of lodging a formal complaint. The imam of the Great Mosque of Paris and former president of the CFCM, Dalil Boubakeur, claimed that though her parallel was questionable and condemnable, she had asked a valid question.[58]

    A member of the FN's Executive Committee, Louis Aliot, denounced "the attempted manipulation of opinion by communitarian groups and those really responsible for the current situation in France".[59] On 13 December 2010, she confirmed her statement during a press conference held in the FN's headquarters in Nanterre.[60][61][62] After Jean-François Kahn's comments on BFM TV on 13 December 2010, she denounced "state manipulation" mounted from the Elysée with the intention of demonizing her in public opinion.[63][64]

    On 15 December 2015, the Lyon court acquitted her of "inciting hatred", considering that her statement "did not target all of the Muslim community" and was protected "as a part of freedom of expression".[65] Furthermore, France is a secular state prohibiting public religious demonstrations such as street prayers.[citation needed]

  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Bernie getting fucked over was a good thing. Did we really want a Communist as President?
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    Bernie getting fucked over was a good thing. Did we really want a Communist as President?

    That's relevant
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072

    Bernie getting fucked over was a good thing. Did we really want a Communist as President?

    We have one as an auditor, allegedly.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    AZDuck said:

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    Big if true:

    Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's center-right VVD Party remained the biggest in parliament after an election on Wednesday with 31 of the 150 seats, the first exit poll said, roundly beating the anti-Islam Geert Wilders.

    Wilders' Party for Freedom was tied in second place with two other parties at 19 seats apiece, according to the poll by national broadcaster NOS based on interviews with voters.

    The turnout is forecast at 81 percent against 74.6 percent in the last election in 2012, according to NOS.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-election-open-idUSKBN16M0MB

    So you are moving there? Always hope.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,860 Founders Club

    Bernie getting fucked over was a good thing. Did we really want a Communist as President?

    If the democrats nominated him and he won, then yes. We let folks vote on this shit.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter

    dhdawg said:

    It's a nice minor victory. but it will mean nothing if le pen isn't defeated

    Why don't you outline your problem with Le Pen.
    Here's the short version:

    Marine Le Pen



    Voici la version courte:

    Marine Le Pen

    Enfance [modifier]
    Marion Anne Perrine Le Pen est née le 5 août 1968 [21] à Neuilly-sur-Seine. Elle est la plus jeune des trois filles de Jean-Marie Le Pen, politicien breton et ancien parachutiste, avec sa première épouse Pierrette Lalanne. Elle fut baptisée le 25 avril 1969 à La Madeleine par le Père Pohpot. Son parrain était Henri Botey, un parent de son père.

    Elle a deux soeurs: Yann et Marie Caroline. En 1976, Marine a survécu à un attentat à la bombe sur la famille pendant qu'ils dormaient dans leurs lits. [22] Elle avait huit ans quand une bombe destinée à son père explosa dans l'escalier en dehors de l'appartement de la famille. L'explosion a déchiré un trou dans le mur extérieur du bâtiment. Marine, ses deux sœurs aînées et leurs parents étaient indemnes. [23]

    Elle était étudiante au lycée Florent Schmitt à Saint-Cloud. Ses parents ont divorcé en 1987. [24] [25]

    Études juridiques et travail [modifier]
    Question book-new.svg
    Cette section repose en grande partie sur une seule source. Les discussions pertinentes peuvent être trouvées sur la page de discussion. S'il vous plaît aider à améliorer cet article en introduisant des citations à des sources supplémentaires. (Février 2017)
    Le Pen a étudié le droit à l'Université Panthéon-Assas, avec un Master of Laws en 1991 et un Master of Advanced Studies (DEA) en droit pénal en 1992. [26] Enregistrée au barreau de Paris, elle a travaillé comme juriste pendant six ans (1992-1998) [26]. En France, lorsqu'un défendeur ne peut se permettre un avocat, on est choisi pour le représenter. Elle remplissait souvent ce rôle.

    En 1992, elle a reçu le certificat d'avocat (CAPA) et est devenue avocate à Paris. Elle a ensuite discuté régulièrement devant la chambre criminelle de la 23ème Cour de district de Paris qui juge les apparences immédiates. Elle a été membre du barreau de Paris jusqu'en 1998, date à laquelle elle a rejoint le service juridique du Front national.

    Vie privée [modifier]
    Le Pen a été élevé catholique. [27] Elle a été mariée en 1995 à Franck Chauffroy, un dirigeant d'entreprise qui a travaillé pour le Front national. Par Chauffroy, elle a trois enfants (Jehanne, Louis et Mathilde). [24] Après son divorce de Chauffroy en 2000, elle épouse Eric Lorio en 2002, ancien secrétaire national du Front national et ancien conseiller des élections régionales du Nord-Pas de Calais, qu'elle a également divorcé en 2006.

    Depuis 2009, elle est en relation avec Louis Aliot, dont le grand-père était juif algérien. Aliot était le secrétaire général du Front national de 2005 à 2010, puis le vice-président du Front national qui était responsable du projet. [28] Elle passe la majeure partie de son temps à Saint-Cloud et habite à La Celle-Saint-Cloud avec ses trois enfants depuis septembre 2014. Elle a un appartement à Hénin-Beaumont. En 2010, elle a également acheté une maison avec Aliot dans Millas. [29]

    Première carrière politique [modifier]
    Premiers pas et ascension dans la FN: 1986-2010 [modifier]
    En 1986, à l'âge de 18 ans, Marine Le Pen rejoint le FN. En 2000, elle est devenue présidente de Generations Le Pen, une association lâche proche du parti visant à «désembaquer le Front national». [24] En 1998, elle rejoint la branche juridique de la FN, qu'elle dirige jusqu'en 2003.

    En 2000, elle rejoint le Comité exécutif du FN. En 2003, elle est devenue vice-présidente de la FN. [24] En 2006, Jean-Marie Le Pen lui a confié la gestion de sa campagne présidentielle de 2007. En 2007, elle est devenue l'une des deux vice-présidentes exécutives de la FN et était chargée de la formation, de la communication et de la publicité. [26]

    En 1998, elle obtient son premier mandat politique lorsqu'elle est élue conseillère régionale dans le Nord-Pas-de-Calais. À partir de 2002, elle commence à établir sa base parlementaire dans l'ancienne zone charbonnière du Pas-de-Calais [24].

    Son but est d'élargir l'influence politique des FN et de la transformer en un «grand parti populaire qui s'adresse non seulement à l'électorat de droite, mais à tous les Français» [3]. Elle a souvent déclaré qu'elle écartait toute alliance politique avec l'Union pour un Mouvement Populaire [30] [31]

    Elle s'est distancée à maintes reprises de certaines des déclarations controversées de Jean-Marie Le Pen [32], notamment celles relatives aux crimes de guerre, que les médias soulignent à ses tentatives d'améliorer l'image du parti. Alors que son père a provoqué une longue controverse en disant que les chambres à gaz étaient "un détail de l'histoire de la Seconde Guerre mondiale", elle a dit qu'il a été "la hauteur de la barbarie". [33] [34]

    Campagne interne pour le leadership des FN: 2010-11 [edit]
    Sa candidature a été approuvée par une écrasante majorité de cadres supérieurs [35] et notamment par Jean-Marie Le Pen, fondateur de la FN. [36] [37]

    Elle a passé quatre mois à faire campagne pour la direction des FN, en organisant des réunions avec les membres des FN dans 51 départements pour expliquer en détail ses opinions politiques et ses projets pour le parti [38]. Tous les autres départements ont été visités par un de ses partisans officiels. [35]

    Le 3 septembre 2010, elle a lancé sa campagne interne à Cuers, Var. [39] Lors d'une réunion à Paris le 14
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    dhdawg said:

    It's a nice minor victory. but it will mean nothing if le pen isn't defeated

    Why don't you outline your problem with Le Pen.
    Here's the short version:

    Marine Le Pen



    Voici la version courte:

    Marine Le Pen

    Enfance [modifier]
    Marion Anne Perrine Le Pen est née le 5 août 1968 [21] à Neuilly-sur-Seine. Elle est la plus jeune des trois filles de Jean-Marie Le Pen, politicien breton et ancien parachutiste, avec sa première épouse Pierrette Lalanne. Elle fut baptisée le 25 avril 1969 à La Madeleine par le Père Pohpot. Son parrain était Henri Botey, un parent de son père.

    Elle a deux soeurs: Yann et Marie Caroline. En 1976, Marine a survécu à un attentat à la bombe sur la famille pendant qu'ils dormaient dans leurs lits. [22] Elle avait huit ans quand une bombe destinée à son père explosa dans l'escalier en dehors de l'appartement de la famille. L'explosion a déchiré un trou dans le mur extérieur du bâtiment. Marine, ses deux sœurs aînées et leurs parents étaient indemnes. [23]

    Elle était étudiante au lycée Florent Schmitt à Saint-Cloud. Ses parents ont divorcé en 1987. [24] [25]

    Études juridiques et travail [modifier]
    Question book-new.svg
    Cette section repose en grande partie sur une seule source. Les discussions pertinentes peuvent être trouvées sur la page de discussion. S'il vous plaît aider à améliorer cet article en introduisant des citations à des sources supplémentaires. (Février 2017)
    Le Pen a étudié le droit à l'Université Panthéon-Assas, avec un Master of Laws en 1991 et un Master of Advanced Studies (DEA) en droit pénal en 1992. [26] Enregistrée au barreau de Paris, elle a travaillé comme juriste pendant six ans (1992-1998) [26]. En France, lorsqu'un défendeur ne peut se permettre un avocat, on est choisi pour le représenter. Elle remplissait souvent ce rôle.

    En 1992, elle a reçu le certificat d'avocat (CAPA) et est devenue avocate à Paris. Elle a ensuite discuté régulièrement devant la chambre criminelle de la 23ème Cour de district de Paris qui juge les apparences immédiates. Elle a été membre du barreau de Paris jusqu'en 1998, date à laquelle elle a rejoint le service juridique du Front national.

    Vie privée [modifier]
    Le Pen a été élevé catholique. [27] Elle a été mariée en 1995 à Franck Chauffroy, un dirigeant d'entreprise qui a travaillé pour le Front national. Par Chauffroy, elle a trois enfants (Jehanne, Louis et Mathilde). [24] Après son divorce de Chauffroy en 2000, elle épouse Eric Lorio en 2002, ancien secrétaire national du Front national et ancien conseiller des élections régionales du Nord-Pas de Calais, qu'elle a également divorcé en 2006.

    Depuis 2009, elle est en relation avec Louis Aliot, dont le grand-père était juif algérien. Aliot était le secrétaire général du Front national de 2005 à 2010, puis le vice-président du Front national qui était responsable du projet. [28] Elle passe la majeure partie de son temps à Saint-Cloud et habite à La Celle-Saint-Cloud avec ses trois enfants depuis septembre 2014. Elle a un appartement à Hénin-Beaumont. En 2010, elle a également acheté une maison avec Aliot dans Millas. [29]

    Première carrière politique [modifier]
    Premiers pas et ascension dans la FN: 1986-2010 [modifier]
    En 1986, à l'âge de 18 ans, Marine Le Pen rejoint le FN. En 2000, elle est devenue présidente de Generations Le Pen, une association lâche proche du parti visant à «désembaquer le Front national». [24] En 1998, elle rejoint la branche juridique de la FN, qu'elle dirige jusqu'en 2003.

    En 2000, elle rejoint le Comité exécutif du FN. En 2003, elle est devenue vice-présidente de la FN. [24] En 2006, Jean-Marie Le Pen lui a confié la gestion de sa campagne présidentielle de 2007. En 2007, elle est devenue l'une des deux vice-présidentes exécutives de la FN et était chargée de la formation, de la communication et de la publicité. [26]

    En 1998, elle obtient son premier mandat politique lorsqu'elle est élue conseillère régionale dans le Nord-Pas-de-Calais. À partir de 2002, elle commence à établir sa base parlementaire dans l'ancienne zone charbonnière du Pas-de-Calais [24].

    Son but est d'élargir l'influence politique des FN et de la transformer en un «grand parti populaire qui s'adresse non seulement à l'électorat de droite, mais à tous les Français» [3]. Elle a souvent déclaré qu'elle écartait toute alliance politique avec l'Union pour un Mouvement Populaire [30] [31]

    Elle s'est distancée à maintes reprises de certaines des déclarations controversées de Jean-Marie Le Pen [32], notamment celles relatives aux crimes de guerre, que les médias soulignent à ses tentatives d'améliorer l'image du parti. Alors que son père a provoqué une longue controverse en disant que les chambres à gaz étaient "un détail de l'histoire de la Seconde Guerre mondiale", elle a dit qu'il a été "la hauteur de la barbarie". [33] [34]

    Campagne interne pour le leadership des FN: 2010-11 [edit]
    Sa candidature a été approuvée par une écrasante majorité de cadres supérieurs [35] et notamment par Jean-Marie Le Pen, fondateur de la FN. [36] [37]

    Elle a passé quatre mois à faire campagne pour la direction des FN, en organisant des réunions avec les membres des FN dans 51 départements pour expliquer en détail ses opinions politiques et ses projets pour le parti [38]. Tous les autres départements ont été visités par un de ses partisans officiels. [35]

    Le 3 septembre 2010, elle a lancé sa campagne interne à Cuers, Var. [39] Lors d'une réunion à Paris le 14
    je ne suis pas d'accord
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    Bernie getting fucked over was a good thing. Did we really want a Communist as President?

    If the democrats nominated him and he won, then yes. We let folks vote on this shit.
    The democrats fucked themselves over. I think it's funny. The communist might have won, there are many dumb fucks who would have voted for him who have no concept of what communism really is, who think he would just give them a bunch of free shit that no one would have to pay for, while their freedom slowly got sucked away, which happens in every case without exception under communists.
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    Bernie getting fucked over was a good thing. Did we really want a Communist as President?

    If the democrats nominated him and he won, then yes. We let folks vote on this shit.
    The democrats fucked themselves over. I think it's funny. The communist might have won, there are many dumb fucks who would have voted for him who have no concept of what communism really is, who think he would just give them a bunch of free shit that no one would have to pay for, while their freedom slowly got sucked away, which happens in every case without exception under communists.
    The irony.
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