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Auburndawg believes the following: (deserves its own thread)

A college football coach is 100% responsible for results. No excuses.

A CFB coach recruits the players and hires his own staff.

If the kids are too small or too slow, the coach should have recruited bigger, faster players.

If the kids don't execute the coach should have trained them better.

The job of the CFB coach is to get his school to its proper level of performance- what it should achieve given the Iron Laws: Location, Tradition, Money.

At Washington, that level is as follows:

Winning season and a bowl game every year.
Competing for the league championship most years
Competing for a national championship once or twice per decade

The real debate is how long do you give a new coach to achieve that?

For Sark, to me this means the minimum standard this year is 9 total wins, but 10 is what would show real improvement and progress. Eight wins or less and he should be fired.

I offer this so perhaps people will stop misrepresenting what Auburndawg believes.
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    dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    I have no problem with this post however can u pls stop talking in the 3rd person it's annoying
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    AuburndawgAuburndawg Member Posts: 362
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    What does the word compete mean? It may turn out that we come closer to Oregon than anyone else does.

    If he wins 9 or 10 games you really think he should be fired? We have only won 10 games 12 times in our history.

    LIPO
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    CanardCanard Member Posts: 504
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    The job of the CFB coach is to get his school to its proper level of performance- what it should achieve given the Iron Laws: Location, Tradition, Money.

    Winning season and a bowl game every year.
    Check for the Ducks.
    Competing for the league championship most years. Check.
    Competing for a national championship once or twice per decade every three years. Check.

    Your so-called "iron laws" are fucktarded.
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    AuburndawgAuburndawg Member Posts: 362
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    dhdawg said:

    I have no problem with this post however can u pls stop talking in the 3rd person it's annoying

    No.
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    AuburndawgAuburndawg Member Posts: 362
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    Canard said:

    The job of the CFB coach is to get his school to its proper level of performance- what it should achieve given the Iron Laws: Location, Tradition, Money.

    Winning season and a bowl game every year.
    Check for the Ducks.
    Competing for the league championship most years. Check.
    Competing for a national championship once or twice per decade every three years. Check.

    Your so-called "iron laws" are fucktarded.

    So with the right coach, Oregon State or WSU can become a consistent top tier program?

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    unfrozencavemanunfrozencaveman Member Posts: 2,303
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    The real debate is how long do you give a new coach to achieve that?

    3 years, which means we're already OVER THE LINE
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    chrisvashonchrisvashon Member Posts: 627
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    Canard said:

    The job of the CFB coach is to get his school to its proper level of performance- what it should achieve given the Iron Laws: Location, Tradition, Money.

    Winning season and a bowl game every year.
    Check for the Ducks.
    Competing for the league championship most years. Check.
    Competing for a national championship once or twice per decade every three years. Check.

    Your so-called "iron laws" are fucktarded.

    So with the right coach, Oregon State or WSU can become a consistent top tier program?

    If it can be done at BOISE FUCKING STATE, it can be done anywhere. BSU is bottom of the barrel when it comes to location, tradition, & money. But they have, and have had, good fucking coaches. And when you start to win, even at Boise State, the money & tradition magically starts to appear.

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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,510
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    9 total wins means: We went 5-4 in conference and won the bowl game, or went 6-3 in conference and lost the bowl game.

    Regardless, I think we drop 2-3 more conference games and end up 3rd/4th in the north. The fact of the matter is that we aren't able to beat the best teams in the conference. Sark deserves a little credit for getting us back to mediocre, but I don't think he can take us to the next level. That is the issue here. Are we okay with just being in the top half of the conference, or should we expect better?
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    TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    Using the total wins is a horrible idea in the age of pussified 13 (or 14) game schedules.

    Look at the conference records instead if you want to judge Sark's ability to fulfill the aspirations of the program:
    4-5
    5-4
    5-4
    5-4
    1-2

    Three years was enough for people with half a brain to know Sark wasn't good enough, and all remaining doubt was removed with that magical Lather, Rinse, Repeat 2012 season.

    That's why we all knew the 2013 season was over before it began. The 2014 season is also already over unless Sark gets fired after the 2013 Apple Cup.
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    HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537
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    to me this means the minimum standard this year is 9 total wins, but 10 is what would show real improvement and progress.
    So you are ok with Sark only winning 9 games and in the process failing to show real improvement and progress?

    Your "standard" is to accept failure to succeed and now failure to show "real improvement and progress".

    You are full of shit, explain away your double speak. IMO the reason you sound like a fusktard is because in a single sentence you yell "NO EXCUSES" all while hedging your expectations.
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    MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,781
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    But he's done a great job recruiting coming off 0-12 then 7-6.

    Everyone says so.
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    CanardCanard Member Posts: 504
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    Canard said:

    The job of the CFB coach is to get his school to its proper level of performance- what it should achieve given the Iron Laws: Location, Tradition, Money.

    Winning season and a bowl game every year.
    Check for the Ducks.
    Competing for the league championship most years. Check.
    Competing for a national championship once or twice per decade every three years. Check.

    Your so-called "iron laws" are fucktarded.

    So with the right coach, Oregon State or WSU can become a consistent top tier program?

    That's a deflection from what I am saying and you know it. The question you don't tackle is how Oregon is doing what you wish UW could do while missing on two of your three criteria.

    Maybe in light of yours and UCLA's titanic struggles with modern relevancy despite money, location, and tradition, your "iron laws" should perhaps become the following:

    Money.
    AD COMPETENCE.
    COACHING COMPETENCE, &
    FACILITIES.

    We have all four, you have two. Stanford has all four and UCLA has two. OSU has .75 in coaching and that's it. Wazzu is stuck on one with Moos.

    Been to Stillwater, OK? If T. B. Pickens transformed that shithole into a Fiesta Bowl winning program, with cash, hookers and blow, then all Wazzu needs is a Daddy Warbucks. Location and tradition count for squat in the face of truckloads of competently spent cash and world class facilities. Mix in actually good coaching and stand back.

    UW will go nowhere near "elite" while missing badly in the competence categories. That you can't see that Woodward and Sark are basically the left tit and right tit of the feminization of your football program, there's no helping you.
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    CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,493
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    Who is Auburndawg? We only have Auburndoog/AuburnDawgFuckingStupid.
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    CheersWestDawgCheersWestDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,475
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    12 game seasons + a bowl game + game(s) vs. FCS opponents = A coach should average 10 wins/year at REAL Washington.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,341
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    Swaye's Wigwam
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    TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    But he's done a great job recruiting coming off 0-12 then 7-6.

    Everyone says so.

    Sark just needs more time to recover from the 2010 7-6 season, the 2011 7-6 season, and the 2012 7-6 season.
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