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RaceBannon
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This grizzled scribe is finally giving up on Joe Montana and giving the due to the new GOAT, Tom Brady. I've watched all 51 Super Bowls and the Ice Bowl where the Packers beat the Cowboys and the Packers win over the Browns.
As a kid the Packers were the Gold Standard. 5 NFL championships by Lombardi and Starr with only one loss.
The Steelers got 4 out of 6
The Niners got 4 and Joe became the GOAT.
But what Brady has done is inarguable at this point. Yesterday was pretty special
I still have Lombardi at the top of the Coach GOAT though. When Bellichck can win 3 in a row we'll talk. And blowing the 2007 perfect season was unacceptable.
What the hell was going on out there?
As a kid the Packers were the Gold Standard. 5 NFL championships by Lombardi and Starr with only one loss.
The Steelers got 4 out of 6
The Niners got 4 and Joe became the GOAT.
But what Brady has done is inarguable at this point. Yesterday was pretty special
I still have Lombardi at the top of the Coach GOAT though. When Bellichck can win 3 in a row we'll talk. And blowing the 2007 perfect season was unacceptable.
What the hell was going on out there?
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Chinned for Brady but bellichick is far and away the GOAT himself. Lombari was In a league with like 14 teams for all but his last two titles, and there was nothing resembling a salary cap. 5 rings in the 32 team/cap era will never be matched.
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Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
For the coaching, I think you're being a little harsh on them losing the perfect season. I don't think you can coach around what the Giants did. The Giants rushed 4 and got to Brady. There's not a coaching fix for that. And it still took the most ridiculous catch in the history of catches to beat the Pats. -
The Salary Cap, no restrictive free agency, and the sheer number of teams, makes Belichick's accomplishment's unbeatable. He's now won a Super Bowl while having his starting QB suspended the first four games of the season, losing his All-Pro tight-end mid season, and being the only team in the NFL with more "gym rat" receivers than "edgy" ones.dnc said:Chinned for Brady but bellichick is far and away the GOAT himself. Lombari was I. A league with like 14 teams for all but his last two titles, and there was nothing resembling a salary cap. 5 rings in the 32 team/cap era will never be matched.
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In this day and age with FA and salary caps, I have to give it to Belichek.RaceBannon said:This grizzled scribe is finally giving up on Joe Montana and giving the due to the new GOAT, Tom Brady. I've watched all 51 Super Bowls and the Ice Bowl where the Packers beat the Cowboys and the Packers win over the Browns.
As a kid the Packers were the Gold Standard. 5 NFL championships by Lombardi and Starr with only one loss.
The Steelers got 4 out of 6
The Niners got 4 and Joe became the GOAT.
But what Brady has done is inarguable at this point. Yesterday was pretty special
I still have Lombardi at the top of the Coach GOAT though. When Bellichck can win 3 in a row we'll talk. And blowing the 2007 perfect season was unacceptable.
What the hell was going on out there?
Besides the fact that Lombardi never had to play a ranked Oregon State, He also never needed to win 3 playoff games to win a Championship. -
1967 Playoffs
Rams, Cowboys, Raiders in the SB -
Yep the 67 road might have been TUFF(er) once they added the title game against the AFL champ.RaceBannon said:1967 Playoffs
Rams, Cowboys, Raiders in the SB
The five titles before 67 just don't compare to modern titles though. There were literally 14 teams in the league. It was barely one step above winning the Pac12. -
Belichick has 7 rings.
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Lorenzo Romar has a ring!PurpleJ said:Belichick has 7 rings.
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These are horrible arguments. Nobody else won 3 in a row. Ever. Nobody won 5 until yesterdaydnc said:
Yep the 67 road might have been TUFF(er) once they added the title game against the AFL champ.RaceBannon said:1967 Playoffs
Rams, Cowboys, Raiders in the SB
The five titles before 67 just don't compare to modern titles though. There were literally 14 teams in the league. It was barely one step above winning the Pac12.
Those 14 teams had Unitas and Jim Brown and the like. -
Race was there when Otto Graham won 4 AAFC titles and 3 NFL titles.
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I agree that Bill is the GOAT coach. In this day and age everything is set up to prevent dynasties and Bill just said "fuck you" going on two decades.
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I'm not saying it was easy or that Lombardi wasn't great. Just saying the degree of difficulty for a dynasty is significantly higher now.RaceBannon said:
These are horrible arguments. Nobody else won 3 in a row. Ever. Nobody won 5 until yesterdaydnc said:
Yep the 67 road might have been TUFF(er) once they added the title game against the AFL champ.RaceBannon said:1967 Playoffs
Rams, Cowboys, Raiders in the SB
The five titles before 67 just don't compare to modern titles though. There were literally 14 teams in the league. It was barely one step above winning the Pac12.
Those 14 teams had Unitas and Jim Brown and the like. -
Players win games and coaches lose them. Brady and Bellicheck are the perfect storm. Brady wins often and Bellicheck doesn't lose very frequently.
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That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
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I never knew DiMaggio won 9 championships until today. I was thinking that was an odd name because I see other CF's rated as better players in the all time rankings.DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
Baseball is such a weird game that deemphasizes winning as a criteria for great players. -
Brady is a fag
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DiMaggio won the World Series his first four years in the Major Leagues. I've read about him extensively and he was an asshole but always came through in the clutch.RoadDawg55 said:
I never knew DiMaggio won 9 championships until today. I was thinking that was an odd name because I see other CF's rated as better players in the all time rankings.DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
Baseball is such a weird game that deemphasizes winning as a criteria for great players. -
Link?Swaye said:Brady is a fag
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DerekJohnson said:
Link?Swaye said:Brady is a fag
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Sven??!!?? True??!!??11???dnc said:
Yep the 67 road might have been TUFF(er) once they added the title game against the AFL champ.RaceBannon said:1967 Playoffs
Rams, Cowboys, Raiders in the SB
The five titles before 67 just don't compare to modern titles though. There were literally 14 teams in the league. It was barely one step above winning the Pac12. -
Swaye's classic Thanksgiving Day poast should also be in the Pantheon - did you have your Dad read it ?DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
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huh?tenndawg said:
Swaye's classic Thanksgiving Day poast should also be in the Pantheon - did you have your Dad read it ?DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
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You were talking about all time greats in the pantheon...DerekJohnson said:
huh?tenndawg said:
Swaye's classic Thanksgiving Day poast should also be in the Pantheon - did you have your Dad read it ?DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
And I thought Swaye's poast about his Thanksgiving Day (in Classics) was the best poast I've read on HH
So, I thought HH's best certainly belonged in any pantheon worthy of the name.... -
Agree with all.tenndawg said:
You were talking about all time greats in the pantheon...DerekJohnson said:
huh?tenndawg said:
Swaye's classic Thanksgiving Day poast should also be in the Pantheon - did you have your Dad read it ?DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
And I thought Swaye's poast about his Thanksgiving Day (in Classics) was the best poast I've read on HH
So, I thought HH's best certainly belonged in any pantheon worthy of the name.... -
That brand of humor would be completely foreign to my dad. He would not get it at all.tenndawg said:
You were talking about all time greats in the pantheon...DerekJohnson said:
huh?tenndawg said:
Swaye's classic Thanksgiving Day poast should also be in the Pantheon - did you have your Dad read it ?DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
And I thought Swaye's poast about his Thanksgiving Day (in Classics) was the best poast I've read on HH
So, I thought HH's best certainly belonged in any pantheon worthy of the name....
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Mankind's Greatest Speeches / Writings:Swaye said:
Agree with all.tenndawg said:
You were talking about all time greats in the pantheon...DerekJohnson said:
huh?tenndawg said:
Swaye's classic Thanksgiving Day poast should also be in the Pantheon - did you have your Dad read it ?DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
And I thought Swaye's poast about his Thanksgiving Day (in Classics) was the best poast I've read on HH
So, I thought HH's best certainly belonged in any pantheon worthy of the name....
Jesus "Sermon On The Mount"
Lincoln "Gettysburg Address"
Swaye: "Death Row vs Woodshed Pirates"
Had to list them alphabetically by author, wouldn't want to pick which was truly #1... -
So Dad isn't a depraved degenerate ?DerekJohnson said:
That brand of humor would be completely foreign to my dad. He would not get it at all.tenndawg said:
You were talking about all time greats in the pantheon...DerekJohnson said:
huh?tenndawg said:
Swaye's classic Thanksgiving Day poast should also be in the Pantheon - did you have your Dad read it ?DerekJohnson said:
That's what I texted to my dad. Brady is now in the pantheon with Jordan and DiMaggio.allpurpleallgold said:Brady put himself on Jordan's level in my eyes.
And I thought Swaye's poast about his Thanksgiving Day (in Classics) was the best poast I've read on HH
So, I thought HH's best certainly belonged in any pantheon worthy of the name....
In this case the apple has fallen far from the tree...fortunately
